Newbie 1315: Van Helsing (Over)

[Untrod Tripod]

Votecount 1.4

Spawnisen - 3 (kwll, awestfie, Superdeclan)
awestfie - 0
MP5 - 0
Superdeclan - 2 (MP5, Serrapaladin)
Bitmap - 0
serrapaladin - 0
kwll - 3 (Spawnisen, Nekoko, Ser Arthur Daye)
Nekoko - 0
Ser Arthur Dayne - 0

Not Voting - 1 (Bitmap)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch

[Bitmap]

/confirm

Reading now... I'll post something very soon.

UNVOTE:

[Bitmap]

Noobs.

@SAD: Put some pressure on Spawnisen. Why attack kwll? You're just alleviating the pressure on spawnisen. We need a good bandwagon to make people squirm.

@Nekoko: Read the @SAD part.

@mp5: Keep acting town.

@kwll: Stop posting badly please. SEs should be putting more input and actually scumhunting instead of beating around the bush or circlejerking.

VOTE: spawnisen

Because I like making your skin crawl. If you town-tell well enough, I'll park my vote on kwll, maybe.

@Everyone else: Come at me.

[Bitmap]

Also, SAD isn't playing by his scum meta so he's probably town.

[serrapaladin]

This should be fun.

Bitmap:

do you really think Spawnisen has been more scummy than Declan? Odd you didn't comment about him at all... Also, what do you think we'll achieve by further pressuring Spawnisen?

[Bitmap]

This should be fun.

Bitmap:

do you really think Spawnisen has been more scummy than Declan? Odd you didn't comment about him at all... Also, what do you think we'll achieve by further pressuring Spawnisen?

Alright, you're new here so I'll fill you in.

The reason why I haven't commented on Declan is because I'm about to sleep and I just looked for who stood out more. Spawnisen is slipping more than Declan is at this point.

If you put more pressure on someone (aka votes), you're more likely to get a scum slip by a newer player which is what I'm hoping for.

[Bitmap]

Also, I've noticed that some of you have been beating around the bush and not actually formulating actual scumreads.

[MP5]

(on phone)
Excellent, I'm liking the addition of bitmap. I'm really hoping we can gain some traction from this.

Ok, now Spawnisen is at L-1.

Do not hammer him this early.

There's way too much time left in the day and anybody who hammers now jumps right to the top of my scumdar, and I will be pushing for your lynch tomorrow.

Later, when it comes time to consider the hammer, nobody do it without stating intent first, and allowing time to claim. I am not asking for a claim now, and Spawnisen please refrain from giving one (I'm not counting your earlier post while we were still in rqs/rvs)

Spawnisen, you are in a precarious situation here. If you are town, do not give up defending yourself, and please start contributing something helpful.

More tonight/tomorrow when I can get back to my laptop.

[kwll]

prod dodge

[awestfie]

I've been quite busy lately; I'll post my thoughts later today/tomorrow.

[serrapaladin]

Bitmap:

If you're gonna put Spawnisen at L-1, you really ought to ask something of him. Even though pressure by means of voting is great (but not the only, or even the best way of exerting pressure, as some of you believe), it still relies on both him actually slipping up

and

your ability to discern his scum slips from the defensiveness of a newb townie.

Also, I'm finding

Declan's

absence somewhat suspicious. He's been promising a lot of content/active lurking throughout, but hasn't really come through.

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I'll be travelling until Friday. I'll be on my tablet, but won't be able to get off any long analysis posts.

[Spawnisen]

He may claim it was a random vote but it might as well be an oppurtunity to get a small bandwagon going on a townie.

Guess I have to explain this too, I was not claiming he was townie, I was simply saying: that If Nekoko is scum and he would know who is townie or not. Of course he would go for a townie then and not his mafia buddy. Only the mafia knows who is who right now

[Spawnisen]

My question to all - ignoring who is in each category, which category do you think scum would most likely be in at this stage? If it is not the one I have put you in, why not your own?

I don't mind that there is a push on kwll, as I've said earlier I think he's leaning the scum side of null, and his lack of meaningful input doesn't help. I hope the pressure will force him into the game, however I would need to see a lot more before I would consider him lynch-worthy, I'm worried that the case thus far might be a little forced, as I don't see it anywhere near as badly as some do.

I think mafia would be in the Flying Low category simply because that's the best way to play as mafia in the beginning. You don't want to get a lot of light on you, just go with the flow and blend in.

And you could make a case for every category, the category i'm in included but I feel the Flying Low is the best one for a scum and the most often where you will find them.

[Bitmap]

Hey Spawnisen, who do you think is scum and why? Stop beating around the bush and put your foot down.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Spawn

, do you think your current wagon is being scum-driven or mislead town-driven? If it's the former, who would you say are the current scum on your wagon?

awestfie

, I notice your vote is still on Spawn. How do you believe he's been reacting so far? Do you think your initial reason for voting him (pressuring) is still applicable, or have you already got a more solid read on him?

[Bitmap]

My question to all - ignoring who is in each category, which category do you think scum would most likely be in at this stage? If it is not the one I have put you in, why not your own?

I don't mind that there is a push on kwll, as I've said earlier I think he's leaning the scum side of null, and his lack of meaningful input doesn't help. I hope the pressure will force him into the game, however I would need to see a lot more before I would consider him lynch-worthy, I'm worried that the case thus far might be a little forced, as I don't see it anywhere near as badly as some do.

I think mafia would be in the Flying Low category simply because that's the best way to play as mafia in the beginning. You don't want to get a lot of light on you, just go with the flow and blend in.

And you could make a case for every category, the category i'm in included

but I feel the Flying Low is the best one for a scum and the most often where you will find them.

WIFOM

Try harder.

[MP5]

@kwll

- not cool. Two nothing posts in nearly a week. You're supposed to be an SE helping us, I'm waiting to get more to go on here but I'm feeling a little famished by the lack of substance. I almost want to vote you just for the "prod dodge" - not even a two sentence summary of your latest thoughts? A question to ask of anyone?

@awest

- I'll be very excited to hear those thoughts.

OK, if I can try to help clarify my thoughts on a couple of people, I have two questions to ask quickly, and I would like serious answers to both. The second will come later.

The first is for you,

Spawnisen

- Are you scum?

[Spawnisen]

Spawn

, do you think your current wagon is being scum-driven or mislead town-driven? If it's the former, who would you say are the current scum on your wagon?

I think it is scum driven because both kwll and declan are suspicious but then again I can't see the both mafias trying to push on a bandwagon so in the open. I feel one of them is.. moving on to my other reply..

Hey Spawnisen, who do you think is scum and why? Stop beating around the bush and put your foot down.

#67 and #69

I think kwll is scum which is also why i'm voting on him right now. These two posts made me alert about him and I also voted on him shortly after. The fact that he isn't at all active rubs me the wrong way. He has made a few posts and the posts he has made hasn't been all that impressive. It may just be because he has a lot of games going on like he claims, or he just wants to stay out of all the drama and eyes from him by being not so active.

MP5: No

[MP5]

OK, second quick question, serious answer.

This one's for you,

Superdeclan

- who is your scum partner?

[MP5]

Spawnisen, please explain how you are not contradicting yourself between posts 137 and 142?

[serrapaladin]

My question to all - ignoring who is in each category, which category do you think scum would most likely be in at this stage? If it is not the one I have put you in, why not your own?

I don't mind that there is a push on kwll, as I've said earlier I think he's leaning the scum side of null, and his lack of meaningful input doesn't help. I hope the pressure will force him into the game, however I would need to see a lot more before I would consider him lynch-worthy, I'm worried that the case thus far might be a little forced, as I don't see it anywhere near as badly as some do.

I think mafia would be in the Flying Low category simply because that's the best way to play as mafia in the beginning. You don't want to get a lot of light on you, just go with the flow and blend in.

And you could make a case for every category, the category i'm in included

but I feel the Flying Low is the best one for a scum and the most often where you will find them.

WIFOM

Try harder.

Do you disagree with the general notion that scum has more of an incentive to avoid attention than town? How scum then goes about avoiding attention is certainly WIFOM, but if you could construe a case for someone doing everything to divert attention from him, is that not a scumtell?

Seems like you're trying a bit hard to keep a dying bandwagon alive.

MP5:

after criticizing Declan for his bad scumhunting, your last two "serious" questions made me giggle.

Declan:

please post, your absence isn't making you look any better.

[Bitmap]

My question to all - ignoring who is in each category, which category do you think scum would most likely be in at this stage? If it is not the one I have put you in, why not your own?

I don't mind that there is a push on kwll, as I've said earlier I think he's leaning the scum side of null, and his lack of meaningful input doesn't help. I hope the pressure will force him into the game, however I would need to see a lot more before I would consider him lynch-worthy, I'm worried that the case thus far might be a little forced, as I don't see it anywhere near as badly as some do.

I think mafia would be in the Flying Low category simply because that's the best way to play as mafia in the beginning. You don't want to get a lot of light on you, just go with the flow and blend in.

And you could make a case for every category, the category i'm in included

but I feel the Flying Low is the best one for a scum and the most often where you will find them.

WIFOM

Try harder.

Do you disagree with the general notion that scum has more of an incentive to avoid attention than town? How scum then goes about avoiding attention is certainly WIFOM, but if you could construe a case for someone doing everything to divert attention from him, is that not a scumtell?

Seems like you're trying a bit hard to keep a dying bandwagon alive.

Alright mate, I'll break it down to you.

Sometimes people believe that scum wants to blend in with town. They try to be quiet and make peace with everyone. They are very hesitant in who to vote until someone is at least around L-3.

Sometimes people believe that scum are really loud. They like to direct the lynches and post a lot. They are very commonly spotted by their loud abrasiveness and yelling. Yes, lot of yelling.

Sometimes people believe that scum are hippies who try to go against the flow. They go against common ideas and have Apple products. Most of these people will have Apple products because they don't understand the actual benefits and just get it because it's hip and shiny.

They all share one common fallacy. They're all bullshit.

And don't put bullshit down my throat, the wagon is still alive. It's at fucking L-1. Stop being dodgy as hell. You're on my "scummy list" now.

[Bitmap]

@Mod: Can we get a prod on declan please?

[Bitmap]

Let's look at this game, D-Day Mafia (which was ironically modded by our IC).

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=23478

Look at my ISO. I'm known as a scum player by many who slings mud at people and backseats lynches. However, my play was completely different. I was aware of people knowing how I played so I switched it up. I decided to attack the STRONGEST town player and attacked his weak points. It was so effective that I was able to control town for that day and built up a lot of town cred and even got the doctor protection that night.

As town, you look for scum slips, not some stupid textbook tells on the wiki. I slipped hard the next day because I said I was a 1-shot bodyguard who protected one of my scum reads. And unfortunately, we lost as a result since my partner was in deep shit the next day.

tl;dr: Don't focus on textbook tells to find scum. Look for scum slips and pressure your scum reads.

[awestfie]

Sorry for the inactivity, I've been quite busy lately, however I have just re-read and am now ready to post a few of my thoughts..

First of all, I'd like to explain a few of my posts in more details, because; I wanna explain my point of view to everyone, so everyone can understand how I see things currently. The way I play, is I will sometimes put myself in another player's shoes and I try and work with their opinion, reads and thoughts, and that's exactly what I tried to do with Spawnisen, when I posted this:

A) You got defensive really quickly.
or
B) You feel like your pregame answers didn't matter all that much.

And I still feel like what I said there was more than correct, the only thing that was wrong with that post was the "or," because it should have been an "and." A few posts later (65,) Spawnisen said that he didn't think people would read all that much into his pregame answers, and on post 68, he started getting defensive. While this may not mean much; I want to point out one little thing: I think Spawnisen read my post, and ignored it might I add; and he went ahead and did exactly what I said in that post (A and B;) because, like I said... on post 65 he did B, and on post 68 he did A. You guys can go on from there, but, I'd love for Spawnisen to reply to one of my posts for once, because he hasn't addressed me so far this game, all he had was a slight town-read on me, but he never posted his thoughts about my posts.

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awestfie

, I notice your vote is still on Spawn. How do you believe he's been reacting so far? Do you think your initial reason for voting him (pressuring) is still applicable, or have you already got a more solid read on him?

Noting the things I've said above, I can't really comment on how he reacted, because all he has said about me is that he has a slight town-read on me, he hasn't addressed me in any other way, or never did he reply to any of my posts. So, it's hard for me to comment on how he reacted, because he only reacted to other peoples' posts, and he hasn't reacted to any of my posts. However, if I were to comment on his reaction other peoples' posts, well.. it's nothing amazing, he's still quite defensive and he's obviously frustrated at this point, you can notice his frustration on 136.

Although, there's one question I've been asking myself, why is Spawnisen not replying to my posts and questions? He has no problem replying to other peoples' posts and questions, but why is it that he can't reply to mine? I don't quite understand why he's borderline avoiding me.. I mean, he's obviously reading my posts since he had a slight town-read on me (post 88, but, I have to wonder.. why is he avoiding me like this?

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I'd like to post more about Spawnisen, but I felt like I needed to get that out there considering he's at L-1.

I've been quite busy lately, like I pointed out in my last post, and

I'll be leaving for a day or two

, however, here are my current reads, and I'll post my exact details as to why people are listed the way they are whenever I'm back.

Town (S->W):

Bitmap, Ser Arthur Dayne, nekoko.

Null:

kwll, MP5, Superdeclan.

Scum (S->W):

Spawnisen, serrapaladin.

Sorry that I had to cut this post short, I'll be back soon.