Newbie 1310: A WILD CHARIZARD APPEARED! - GAME OVER

[Smashbard]

Brad, you do not know what buddying is. Buddying is a term for when a scumslot "buddies up" to a townslot, either by calling them town or by agreeing with their opinions, in order to gain favor with said townie. Buddying does not mean treating your scumbuddy as town.

Refusing to compromise with your vote is anti-town play when there's more than 1 scum in the game, baring obvious things like PR-investigations and such.

I've been so confused with my reads all day today and have been allowing my reads to be dictated by those who sound more confident than myself. So if I sound anti-town it's because I'm tired of being paraded around to whichever wagon some experienced player chooses as his pet scum suspect in this 24 hour period that I should vote for. It's about time I started truly thinking for myself, and that's starting with a gut read that Nacho is town, and a confident read that Dyrnify is scum.

I don't have a solid view on any two players being inextricably tied as scum partners. But I can be sure that Dyrnify is scum because he was so aggressive Day 1, got a mislynch through, but then nobody died Died Night 1 and ever since then he's been lurking a lot, which is a definite change in playstyle. Not explaining his votes, just popping in randomly. Not asking questions like he was before. I don't see how this isn't clearer to everyone else. When somebody comes out like a ball of fire one day, and their playstyle shifts drastically the next day, that's a surefire sign of scumminess to me. ESPECIALLY when there was no death the previous night. He's definitely playing more cautiously. Now why would he feel the need to do that if he were town? He's already claimed Vanilla Townie, so he can't say that it's because he's a power role lurking to try and preserve himself. There's literally no reason for a vanilla townie to be hiding this bad behind survival mode to prevent suspicion from being cast on him.

[TraceyLyn11]

VOTE COUNT 2.8

[L-2] Dyrynify: em+p_dear, Nachomamma8, Smashbard

[L-5] mykonian:

[L-4] em+p_dear: Dyrynify

[L-5] Om:

[L-5]

SleepyKrew

TheTrollie:

[L-5] CF Riot:

[L-3] Smashbard: mykonian, CF Riot

[L-3] Nachomamma8: Om, TheTrollie

Not Voting:

0

• With eight alive, it takes five to lynch.
  
• Day Two's deadline: January 18, 2013 CST or in (expired on 2013-01-18 01:10:00).
  
• V/LA: No one.
  
• TheTrollie has replaced SleepyKrew.

[Smashbard]

V/LA til Monday. Currently moving to California as my wife and I are being evicted and are going to live with her sister until we get back on our feet. I'm sure they will have Wifi where we are going but I won't have the time to play Mafia until we are more settled in.

Noted.

[mykonian]

i have zero idea what EM stands for

That's a shame. Would have made stuff easier.

ok up to speed.

VOTE: nacho

this needs to be lynched

Yes but after smashbard.

Because worse then this post it isn't going to get.

Brad, you do not know what buddying is. Buddying is a term for when a scumslot "buddies up" to a townslot, either by calling them town or by agreeing with their opinions, in order to gain favor with said townie. Buddying does not mean treating your scumbuddy as town.

Refusing to compromise with your vote is anti-town play when there's more than 1 scum in the game, baring obvious things like PR-investigations and such.

I've been so confused with my reads all day today and have been allowing my reads to be dictated by those who sound more confident than myself. So if I sound anti-town it's because I'm tired of being paraded around to whichever wagon some experienced player chooses as his pet scum suspect in this 24 hour period that I should vote for. It's about time I started truly thinking for myself, and that's starting with a gut read that Nacho is town, and a confident read that Dyrnify is scum.

I don't have a solid view on any two players being inextricably tied as scum partners. But I can be sure that Dyrnify is scum because he was so aggressive Day 1, got a mislynch through, but then nobody died Died Night 1 and ever since then he's been lurking a lot, which is a definite change in playstyle. Not explaining his votes, just popping in randomly. Not asking questions like he was before. I don't see how this isn't clearer to everyone else. When somebody comes out like a ball of fire one day, and their playstyle shifts drastically the next day, that's a surefire sign of scumminess to me. ESPECIALLY when there was no death the previous night. He's definitely playing more cautiously. Now why would he feel the need to do that if he were town? He's already claimed Vanilla Townie, so he can't say that it's because he's a power role lurking to try and preserve himself. There's literally no reason for a vanilla townie to be hiding this bad behind survival mode to prevent suspicion from being cast on him.

[TheTrollie]

no we r lynching nacho first. im not convinced smash isnt just town newbie

[Dyrynify]

Wait wait wait. Why is Nacho scum again? I feel he is town.

[mykonian]

no we r lynching nacho first. im not convinced smash isnt just town newbie

He's not.

And just look at his initial responses to accusations. That's not how a townie reacts.

[TheTrollie]

ill ISO him in a bit but i feel really good about my nacho read

[mykonian]

oh, I agree. I feel better about smashbard by a lot.


oh, nacho. I asked you if you talked about the game. You evaded that question. Kindly don't do it this time.

[TheTrollie]

The thing is that while i was catching up i felt like a Xegarus/Nacho scumteam was what we had going on. Mykonian's nacho stance is too genuine to be bussing, plus I don't buy that he would bus this hard in a newbie game D2. If the team was Mykonian/Nacho Mykonian would have come in doing some light distancing and thats it.

I need to ISO smash b/c i've kinda been skimming over his posts recently even though hes a null read for me

[mykonian]

beyond that xeg was lynchbait.

[TheTrollie]

Yeah, OK, i didn't even make it past 5 posts in the ISO before realizing how scummy he was.

I need to look at some meta before i switch my vote though.

[TheTrollie]

OK, here is the problem:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=23332
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23318 (this one Mykonian modded)

in both games smash is town and in both games he exhibits similar scumtells as he does in this game, namely: (1) opportunistic about what he comments on and (2) wordy/wishy-washy posting style. So I need to go through again and check to make sure that this time its different.

also, I'm worried that scum-nacho will be harder to lynch because of his IC status after either of us die. maybe thats wrong though

[mykonian]

ah fuck now you expect me to have meta on smashbard. Forgot who played in that game. And I know it's not long ago. But ok, lets point out my problem (and it's a general scumtell so all I need to look for if he has any similar tendencies in my game. I don't the he has).

Brad, you do not know what buddying is. Buddying is a term for when a scumslot "buddies up" to a townslot, either by calling them town or by agreeing with their opinions, in order to gain favor with said townie. Buddying does not mean treating your scumbuddy as town.

Refusing to compromise with your vote is anti-town play when there's more than 1 scum in the game, baring obvious things like PR-investigations and such.

I've been so confused with my reads all day today and have been allowing my reads to be dictated by those who sound more confident than myself. So if I sound anti-town it's because I'm tired of being paraded around to whichever wagon some experienced player chooses as his pet scum suspect in this 24 hour period that I should vote for. It's about time I started truly thinking for myself, and that's starting with a gut read that Nacho is town, and a confident read that Dyrnify is scum.

I don't have a solid view on any two players being inextricably tied as scum partners. But I can be sure that Dyrnify is scum because he was so aggressive Day 1, got a mislynch through, but then nobody died Died Night 1 and ever since then he's been lurking a lot, which is a definite change in playstyle. Not explaining his votes, just popping in randomly. Not asking questions like he was before. I don't see how this isn't clearer to everyone else. When somebody comes out like a ball of fire one day, and their playstyle shifts drastically the next day, that's a surefire sign of scumminess to me. ESPECIALLY when there was no death the previous night. He's definitely playing more cautiously. Now why would he feel the need to do that if he were town? He's already claimed Vanilla Townie, so he can't say that it's because he's a power role lurking to try and preserve himself. There's literally no reason for a vanilla townie to be hiding this bad behind survival mode to prevent suspicion from being cast on him.

You won't find a post this wall like saying he doesn't have any reads. Wishy washy he might have been, but in my game, if he's posting walls he's talking about posts. Here he's defending the fact that he doesn't post any analysis at all.

It really doesn't become more obvious then with this post.

[CF Riot]

also, I'm worried that scum-nacho will be harder to lynch because of his IC status after either of us die. maybe thats wrong though

That's already happening I think. I would be quite pleased with either lynch.

Dyry post better. Nacho is scum because his suspects are easy lynches, he's not pushing them nearly hard enough to be town-Nacho, and he's keeping scummy company on wagons and it's not bothering him at all. Why do you think he's town? Who are you going to vote for today, because the Emp wagon is no longer relevant?

[TheTrollie]

ok well this dyrynify is town as hell so that wagon needs to die

[TheTrollie]

@om: what was ur read of xeg throughout D1? pls narrate.

[Om]

@om: what was ur read of xeg throughout D1? pls narrate.

In case you missed this.

His RC (which is not pro-town but not a scum motivated either, hence a bad reason) and his overall reaction filled with semi admittance of genuine mistake and semi defensive arguments when pointed out why RC is a bad idea is a good town tell for me.
Plus;
He immediately called out our IC, usually scum's are very happy to have laid back IC when they commit mistakes, specially considering the situation he was in and his apparent inexperience, that's town+ tell for me.
#34
This one was good.

I still don't like how he followed CF to jump on Bard, but it's not scum motivated either, no reason for scum to stick their already troubled neck out in the open. To my surprise; it seems to have worked though.
That only further solidifies him as my top town read.

To add to that; his replacement hasn't done anything to change my mind and this time it's for very good reasons (now if he only goes with nacho instead of smash today )

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@Nacho;

Smash completely ignored your post #423
You don't have anything to add on that?
Something isn't going according to plan, is it?

[Nachomamma8]

I still think Nacho is scum though.

CF why do you think I am scum?

ok up to speed.

VOTE: nacho

this needs to be lynched

trollie
tell me why

oh, nacho. I asked you if you talked about the game. You evaded that question. Kindly don't do it this time.

can't answer your question if I have no idea what you are talking about
clarify.

Smash completely ignored your post #423
You don't have anything to add on that?
Something isn't going according to plan, is it?

I have been a non-presence this game since the 7th of January.
No I wasn't going to pick up on Smash ignoring my post if I haven't been around.

[TraceyLyn11]

em+p_dear has been prodded.

[Nachomamma8]

Trollie's entering posts have also sort of shot my leaning townread of the slot. I want to see him back up his posts with some actual reasoning because Trollie usually ignores me in all of the games we've played together, so it's strange he's coming together with such a strong townread now.

Nacho is scum because his suspects are easy lynches, he's not pushing them nearly hard enough to be town-Nacho, and he's keeping scummy company on wagons and it's not bothering him at all.

cough. cough. cough.
town-Nacho doesn't always go balls-out with his suspicions. town-Nacho doesn't give a shit about the company on his wagon because people on his wagon being his company also helps him get better reads on them.

also trollie
who is your second scumread, if I might ask?

[TheTrollie]

its probably smash...
but that *points to post above* is scum.

we can deal with smash tomorrow. get rid of nacho first.

[TheTrollie]

oh, sorry it was #468 that was scummy

[Nachomamma8]

you can't just point to a post and call it bullshit
pony up and give me a reason why I am scum

[TheTrollie]

i have to get into the shower, but mostly because your posts are so vapid and useless and all i see in almost every post of yours are feigned a attempts at scumhunting.