Newbie 1310: A WILD CHARIZARD APPEARED! - GAME OVER

[Nachomamma8]

i have to get into the shower, but mostly because your posts are so vapid and useless and all i see in almost every post of yours are feigned a attempts at scumhunting.

my posts are so vapid and useless
and "feigned attempts at scumhunting"
this is the laziest bullshit reasoning I've heard in a while
this is why I am your strongest scumread? and smash is "probably scum" but can wait until tomorrow?
what happens if I flip town, trollie? are you gonna jump on smash with the reasoning that "oh, I guess he really isn't newb town?"

[Nachomamma8]

actually would like myko and cf to get their votes off smash now
if you're gonna pretend the case is stronger on me then it is because of your paranoia, then vote me now
watch dyr not push the emp wagon at all and get stuck into making another scumfuck hammer
watch trollie not explain his vote on me at all
not even a little bit
then let them die

[mykonian]

not a chance nacho.

oh, nacho. I asked you if you talked about the game. You evaded that question. Kindly don't do it this time.

can't answer your question if I have no idea what you are talking about
clarify.

I heard you talking about the game the night before I asked you. Or at least I think it was you.

Was it?

[TheTrollie]

actually would like myko and cf to get their votes off smash now
if you're gonna pretend the case is stronger on me then it is because of your paranoia, then vote me now
watch dyr not push the emp wagon at all and get stuck into making another scumfuck hammer
watch trollie not explain his vote on me at all
not even a little bit
then let them die

dyr is obvtown

[Nachomamma8]

I heard you talking about the game the night before I asked you. Or at least I think it was you.

Was it?

I posted in thread on January 07th. I didn't say anything to anyone else about the game in any other forum or discussion site.

[mykonian]

I heard you talking about the game the night before I asked you. Or at least I think it was you.

Was it?

I posted in thread on January 07th. I didn't say anything to anyone else about the game in any other forum or discussion site.

aim?

[mykonian]

actually would like myko and cf to get their votes off smash now
if you're gonna pretend the case is stronger on me then it is because of your paranoia, then vote me now
watch dyr not push the emp wagon at all and get stuck into making another scumfuck hammer
watch trollie not explain his vote on me at all
not even a little bit
then let them die

dyr is obvtown

uhm.
that's

your

opinion

[Nachomamma8]

not a chance nacho.

why not?
if I'm town, then obviously you guys are fucking something up and I'm pretty sure watching dyr and trollie while you lynch me would help things along because you wouldn't want to be the person that's been obviously, painfully wrong

actually would like myko and cf to get their votes off smash now
if you're gonna pretend the case is stronger on me then it is because of your paranoia, then vote me now
watch dyr not push the emp wagon at all and get stuck into making another scumfuck hammer
watch trollie not explain his vote on me at all
not even a little bit
then let them die

dyr is obvtown

do you disagree with what I'm asking myko and cf to do?
why is dyr obvtown?

[Nachomamma8]

no, not on aim

[Smashbard]

Posting from cell. Some bs is during my v/la. So wanted to say. I think troll is dyrs buddy. Hes not saying why dyr is obv town, just repeating same state ment.

myko is fishing for a free mod kill on nacho for some reason. Also looks bad. If not scummy, then extremely poor form and sports man ship. If he suspect foul play he needs to pm mod and request mod kill. As his line of question has zero baring and scum hunting or if nacho is scum or not.

[CF Riot]

actually would like myko and cf to get their votes off smash now
if you're gonna pretend the case is stronger on me then it is because of your paranoia, then vote me now
watch dyr not push the emp wagon at all and get stuck into making another scumfuck hammer
watch trollie not explain his vote on me at all
not even a little bit
then let them die

I don't understand your problem with Brad votes, and this is the first time I've seen you mention Dyr's hammer being scummy.

Unvote, Vote: Dyrnify

Dyr, on the other hand, has really fallen off since Day 1, which I find pretty fucking suspicious. I thought that if he was scum, he had a pretty good day 1, but today he's not really pushing anyone and only voting emp when it's based on his survival. Also found smash's vote on me pretty interesting and would like for him to confirm that he is voting me using Om's and CF's logic.

This is where you vote Dyr, the main reason being he's fallen off since D1. You're now saying you've sort of "fallen off" today too. I don't see any mention of the hammer, rather you say his D1 was pretty good.

you had one vote, but more people were talking about you as scum
why do you suspect emp? what did you think of her latest posts?
what do you think of smash?

No follow up.

If you're so convinced that I've been scum since Post #1 RQS, why isn't your vote on me? For someone so convinced you sure are struggling to find the gumption to vote me. Are you waiting to hear support from the other players first before you try and proceed with a lynch? Seems like you're not willing to take the leap on my wagon if it's not already backed by popular opinion first. You wouldn't need that if you weren't worried about drawing suspicion to yourself.

Soo any suspicions on anyone but me? Or is this a classic case of tunneling 101?

Ping.
Myko has been talking about different suspects, has been voting different suspects. Him not having the balls to vote you is an odd point, and it seems like you're trying to play a "vote me, I dare you" game which isn't a game townies play.

This looks like suspicion of Brad, but I don't see you doing anything about it.

In my first newbie game (I was scum at the time), Nacho was a lot more aggressive in his reads and pushing of lynches, while at the same time questioning almost every player. He only posted once every three days, which apparently was a meta thing. But when he did post he would always question even the guys he thought were solid town reads, like Camn.

You didn't think my push on the doctor was aggressive? You didn't think my push on kitiekatt was aggressive? You didn't think my push on Emp was aggressive? You'll also notice that no, I didn't focus on every player early game. I focused predominately on my scumreads early game, and focused on more players when we approached MyLo. I didn't really question camn until glass flipped town, or chrimmy jailed her and nothing went through, or some shit like that.

His entire day 2 focus has been on Emp Dear until just recently.

Except for that kitiekatt push, which actually took up more time than the emp push.

I think he was starting to realize that his playing it safe by picking on the newbie all day was gaining a crap ton of suspicion from everyone, and as soon as his wagon got more than just you and Om voting for him he started shaping up his play and actually answering questions.

Why would you call emp town?

I'm not considering Skrew as scum just yet because he hasn't posted anything that would lead me to believe he is scummy. He hasn't posted much at all. So he's pretty much the definition of a null read, so in order to suspect him as scum I would only be doing so for policy reasons. I try to avoid that because I've had too many bad experiences of policy lynching newbies and flipping wrong on them.

So it's more like you're policy ignoring him and not factoring him into any of your possibilities for scumteams at all? Still doesn't exactly make sense.

This looks like suspicion of Brad, but I don't see you doing anything about it.

[CF Riot]

Posting from cell.

sports man ship

Keep phoneposting Brad. It's awesome.

[mykonian]

uhm, you know who I am. I also have quite a couple of fun games with nacho. I don't think I'd set him up for a modkill... if I ever would. Go find a game with me where I do that and you have a case.

Otherwise: How about some actual scumhunting smashbard?

You didn't talk with the mod nacho?

[TraceyLyn11]

Communication done outside of this thread between me and my players is confidential. If anyone believes a player has broken a rule, they are to ask me about it privately through PM. Anymore conversation on this topic in-game will result in a force replace. This is a warning.

[Nachomamma8]

I don't understand your problem with Brad votes, and this is the first time I've seen you mention Dyr's hammer being scummy.

I believe Brad is town. If he is lynched first, it's likely that you and Om's paranoia will fuck up LyLo. If I am lynched first, I'm pretty sure my gigantic frowning ghost hanging over your heads will be enough for Brad to survive in LyLo. So, I would prefer that if you're going to play the tunnel game, you deal with me first. This is the first time I brought up Dyr's hammer being scummy, yes. I still feel that him falling off today and the only significant thing he's done is to lazily white knight me is the stronger indicator of him being scum, but someone brought up his hammer and I recently reviewed it and I'm agreeing that it looks scummy.

This is where you vote Dyr, the main reason being he's fallen off since D1. You're now saying you've sort of "fallen off" today too. I don't see any mention of the hammer, rather you say his D1 was pretty good.

My lurking has nothing to do with my alignment. His lurking seems like it has more to do with his alignment. When I'm talking about Dyr falling off, it's not necessarily that he's lower activity, but when he does post... he doesn't post anything particularly interesting.

My current follow-up on my suspicion of Dyr is my recent "let's see people all pile on me and watch scumfuck Dyr be forced to hammer". I'm calling him scum more definitively than I was before, and a step up of suspicion is as good a follow up as "oh you didn't answer my questions because you are obviously being a lurkfuck and not paying attention to the game".

[Om]

@Nacho;

Why exactly Bard is town?

[mykonian]

Communication done outside of this thread between me and my players is confidential. If anyone believes a player has broken a rule, they are to ask me about it privately through PM. Anymore conversation on this topic in-game will result in a force replace. This is a warning.

Oh come on, that was like the best setup for a legitimate: "I did not have sex with that woman".

[Nachomamma8]

Brad is town for #450. The "I'm going to form my own reads and step this shit up" seemed more like an appeal to himself than to everyone else, and the fact that he was like "yeah, I have a gut read on Nacho being town" and reaffirming the Dyr read would just make the myko/CF/etc. group more paranoid and thus more likely to lynch one of us (which isn't optimal for scumBrad at all), but as town, it makes perfect sense. Some of his conflict with myko seems like he has a few problems with tactics he's using in game and that's feeding into his paranoia, but as scum I feel it would be more likely that he would just ride along on that suspicion to have something genuine to push.

[Om]

Nacho wrote;

Brad is town for #450.The "I'm going to form my own reads and step this shit up" seemed more like an appeal to himself than to everyone else,

You sure? Because it looks more like an excuse for his scummy play like; following ''more experience'', ''not voting people even after pretending to waste hours to form reads'' (good or bad, I do not like people who don't back them up with votes), till then. With some added AtE flavor.

and the fact that he was like "yeah, I have a gut read on Nacho being town" and reaffirming the Dyr read would just make the myko/CF/etc. group more paranoid and thus more likely to lynch one of us

(which isn't optimal for scumBrad at all)

, but as town, it makes perfect sense.

All of them were already voting him and one of you two is definitely getting lynched today, not due to 'paranoia' though.

@Underlined part; Actually, it is. Look; you're already defending him and his bad parking of the vote just because his guts called you town and Dry scum.

Some of his conflict with myko seems like he has a few problems with tactics he's using in game and that's feeding into his paranoia, but

as scum I feel it would be more likely that he would just ride along on that suspicion to have something genuine to push

.

I'm pretty sure he thought Dry wagon was 'genuine' if I go by his own words;

''following experience players''

and now he can't get off of it since he doesn't really have anything 'genuine' to be on other wagon or you two are scum buddies.
Remind me if I'm wrong, he unvoted you and voted Dry by following your ''why D1 hammer was scummy reasons'' in the same post as he called you/dry/em scum #407
How did that turn into ''my gut read says nacho is town'' in 2 pages? Looks like case of bad guts if not the bad scum

I read word 'paranoia' one too many times in this post, attempt to misrep wagon against you?

[Nachomamma8]

You sure?

Yeah, I'm sure. There was an appeal to emotion in there, but scum and town do AtE plenty and I didn't see Smash do anything of that sort last time I played with him.

I'm pretty sure he thought Dry wagon was 'genuine' if I go by his own words; ''following experience players'' and now he can't get off of it since he doesn't really have anything 'genuine' to be on other wagon or you two are scum buddies.

If Dyr is scum with Brad, Brad wouldn't follow so quickly after I dropped my reasoning. The 'genuine' push that I'm referring to is the push on myko, which I figured he'd just go for if he was scum.

How did that turn into ''my gut read says nacho is town'' in 2 pages? Looks like case of bad guts if not the bad scum

if you felt you were getting pushed for shitty reasons and you saw the other person getting pushed for shitty reasons too, then you'd probably get a town gutread too

I read word 'paranoia' one too many times in this post, attempt to misrep wagon against you?

it's a paranoia wagon
"pushing easy targets" is not really a good argument

[Om]

@Nacho wrote;
Yeah, I'm sure. There was an appeal to emotion in there, but scum and town do AtE plenty and I didn't see Smash do anything of that sort last time I played with him.

Links?

If Dyr is scum with Brad, Brad wouldn't follow so quickly after I dropped my reasoning.

He would if you two are scum buddies, any opportunity to shift vote from you to dry would've done him good.

@Nacho wrote;

The 'genuine' push that I'm referring to is the push on myko, which I figured he'd just go for if he was scum.

Wait. What myko push? Explain pleas, I seems to have missed something.

Nacho wrote;

if you felt you were getting pushed for shitty reasons and you saw the other person getting pushed for shitty reasons too, then you'd probably get a town gutread too

If he thought you were getting pushed for shity reasons he wont vote for you in the first place. But he did, he got gut read from 2 pages you haven't posted at all or no one gave any so called new 'shity' reasons he already didn't knew of.

Nacho wrote;

it's a paranoia wagon
"pushing easy targets" is not really a good argument

It is, for one; town push for lynch of the scummy people and scum push for weak/easy ones.

[CF Riot]

I believe Brad is town. If he is lynched first, it's likely that you and Om's paranoia will fuck up LyLo. If I am lynched first, I'm pretty sure my gigantic frowning ghost hanging over your heads will be enough for Brad to survive in LyLo.

I'd probably still want to lynch Brad if you flipped town. That said, if both of you are town then yeah, we might be screwed cause I'm so ready for you both to swing and your appeal to fear doesn't sway me in the slightest.

[TheTrollie]

actually would like myko and cf to get their votes off smash now
if you're gonna pretend the case is stronger on me then it is because of your paranoia, then vote me now
watch dyr not push the emp wagon at all and get stuck into making another scumfuck hammer
watch trollie not explain his vote on me at all
not even a little bit
then let them die

dyr is obvtown

uhm.
that's

your

opinion

correct

[Smashbard]

To cf riot - so youre willing to throw the game cause you refuse to consider any body else as scum? And you say im anti town for not giving up my dyrnify scum read? Wow. I really hope youre scum. Cause if youre town please, lynch me today. Id rather not be on the same team as the mafiascum equivalent of colonel custer.

[Om]

@om: what was ur read of xeg throughout D1? pls narrate.

What was the point of you asking me that again? You didn't really follow up on it either.
Are you planning to 'narrate' your own reads so far anytime soon? Your predecessor didn't really gave much to look into for my liking, I hope you can put more on table before D2 ends.