scum #1
(honestly with ^that^ we have to lynch him either way and just hope hes scum)
↑ Smashbard wrote:Spoiler: bla bla bla↑ TheTrollie wrote:Only on page 7. I can tell you right now though this is how the day is going to go:
we are lynching one of Xegarus/Nacho
Kitiekatt is town
Dyrynify is town
CF is town
moving on...
Immediately he claims that scumbuddy Dyrnify is town. Along with a read for CF Riot, who was obv town to most everybody, and calling himself town "not realizing" that he was Kitiekats replacement.
↑ TheTrollie wrote:ok well this dyrynify is town as hell so that wagon needs to die
Once again pressuring everyone to get off his buddies wagon.
↑ TheTrollie wrote:↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:actually would like myko and cf to get their votes off smash now
if you're gonna pretend the case is stronger on me then it is because of your paranoia, then vote me now
watch dyr not push the emp wagon at all and get stuck into making another scumfuck hammer
watch trollie not explain his vote on me at all
not even a little bit
then let them die
dyr is obvtown
Again, defending dyrnify. Insisting he's obvtown. He must of been really worried about how scummy Dyrnify's quickhammer Day 1 was. Employing the typical brainwashing tactic of saying the same statement over and over in order to make it true in the minds of stupid people.
↑ TheTrollie wrote:Om is town btw.
I might switch to smash wagon but only if agree Nacho is tomorrow's likely kill
States willingness to compromise. He just wants to pull off a lynch, any lynch at this point that does not involve Dyrnify.
↑ TheTrollie wrote:honestly because i have:
"dyrynify town"
written in my notes i took while catching up. I saw something that made him town. I will try to find it.
Yeah ok, both my scum reads on dyr wagon, Nacho & smash wagons are all town.
Om would u consider switching your vote to smash?
VOTE: smash
i believe thats L-2
Has "Dyrnify is town" in his notes without immediate explanation because they are scumbuddies and was going to come up with justification later for his hardcore defense of Dyrnify.
↑ TheTrollie wrote:The one scummy thing that dyr does is that he often adds rhetoric that weakens claims he makes in posts. (something i call distancing but since distancing means something else already i have to come up with another term). However, I believe this is not a scumtell for dyr because this behavior is commonly seen in newbies independent of their alignment, because they are learning the game and are unsure of themselves sometimes.
Dyr's posts come off as very genuine to me, which is why he is a strong town read. he is markedly reactive to things and markedly open when he posts. He is answering a lot of questions, and doesnt seem to be restrictive or hiding anything. Thats why hes a town read for me.
Finally comes up with a wall post over explaining different reasons why he finds Dyrnify as town. Funny how he was SO CONFIDENT in the fact that Dyrnify was Obv Town but he had to do a reread and recheck his notes just to come up with reasons why Dyrnify is town. Which even here is flawed in two ways.
1) His first point about rhetoric and distancing being common behavior for newbies regardless of alignment is not a reason why he is town. It would be a reason why he would be a null read. Because he even admits it's something that newbies do regardless of alignment.
2) Saying posts come off as "genuine" is purely based on gut so there's nothing "strong" about a gut town read. And should not be indicative as to why we believe him that Dyrnify is town. It's the equivalent of "You guys should totally trust my gut, because I am so obviously town. I know because I got a town PM, why don't you believe me?!"
↑ TheTrollie wrote:@nacho: My scumread on you is because you are playing this game by poking ever so slightly at each player/issue and waiting for one of them to catch steam. You don't seem to be pushing any of your own reads, but instead are trying to pick issues that are agreeable to the rest of the players. You also will do this thing where you take someone else's case/read and add to it to try to get that player moving in a particular direction (i.e. that their scum read is obvscum).
if you guys need something more concrete to vote on, look how Nacho's read on DYR goes 180:
↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:
Hello. Ready to lynch scum day one again? Good.
Break the ice and... delay the actual game from beginning. Question 1 is nice for getting to know people, but I'm pretty sure there are plenty of other threads on site if you want to meet people and find out why they play. Question 2 is... useless, obviously. 3 is also useless. Of course everyone trusts their own reads instead of their own unless someone else is convincing or not. None of these help with scumhunting, all of these add useless things to my thread. Please don't do random questions ever again pretty pretty please. These were less anti-town than they usually are, but that doesn't mean they are good
Mmmm... don't do this. If you are lying as town, then your PR claim won't be believed down the road, which is a very, very bad thing, since you would probably be forced to claim when a majority of the town finds you scummy anyways. If you are telling the truth as town, then you're basically saying "hey guys, I make a perfectly good mislynch! Don't kill me!" if they paranoid of you being a PR, they will rolecop you. They will not kill you. If you are mafia, this just brings the spotlight to you.
If you gain nothing, you probably don't want to do it. You can never really gauge consequences until they are hitting you in the face in most scenarios.
Yes it is. The opening of games is extremely important, and RQS makes them a lot more muddled, a lot less advantageous for town. If you get the game started early and you don't give scum time to get comfortable, then things get interesting. For example, I normally would call Doctor scum for avoiding things and posting crap (I still probably will), but for now, I don't really know whether he is newbie who doesn't know where to start and so goes with answering random questions, or whether he is scum coasting.
I really likeem+d andDyr for town.
And yeah, gonna vote Doc anyways.
Vote: TheDoctor
↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:↑ kitiekatt wrote:I see the vote for Doc cause he answered the random Q's and posting crap, but I'm wondering why. A lot of us answered those random q's (which I think is what you're referencing as posting crap), was there other crap he posted or something other than the answering of the random questions that makes him more scummy? Cause if it's just for answering those questions that could be a lot of people.
It wasn't the answering questions that set me off, it was more that he did absolutely nothing else with it. The fact that he didn't respond to the page one VT claim tells me that he hasn't read, but if he hasn't read, then how did he know to answer those RQS questions? More likely than not, he was looking for something to post, found the random questions, answered them, and stopped reading. That tells me he's just posting to get by, which makes him likelier scum than not.
↑ Xegarus wrote:If you lynch say on D1, you have a chance of getting scum, which is great but you also have a chance getting town. Now N1, a town will always be killed. So by lynching eveyday, you increase the chance of losing 2 town compared to only loosing 1.
Now i know that eliminating scum is how you win the game for town. But can't that be said as keeping as many townies alive?
If you lynch on Day 2, you have a chance of getting scum, which is great but you also have a chance of getting town. Now N2, a town will always be killed. So, by lynching everyday, you increase the chance of losing 2 town compared to only loosing 1. So, it's optimal never to lynch because then we never lose 2 town!
...but that's not how it works. We have three chances to hit scum before we lose. No lynching D1 basically says that fuck it, we're obviously going to win this game so we need a handicap, let's do this with only two chances to hit scum instead. In fact, everytime we no lynch when there are an odd number of players alive, we're essentially throwing away one of our chances for absolutely no reason. So yeah, we want to lynch pretty much every day. Exception would be if there are 6 players alive and 2 scum left OR 4 players alive and 1 scum left and there isn't a confirmed town around. Then you might want to no lynch so you would have the minimum amount of suspects, but only then.
Precisely.
Dyris being aggressive, targetting something that he regards to be scummy and locking on tight. While he does that, he's also looking around, criticizing people, searching for the other scum.I find that pretty town.
Em+p is more of a tonal read, but the conscious creating of bandwagons to get people closer to a lynch is pretty cool, pretty cool.
Really? Pretty sure I buddied the hell out of camn last game until I thought she was scum.
↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:dyr, xeg, em+p, you, smashtownreads
doctor scumread
preference of katiekatt over om
and then out of nowhere:
Now, in this ONE post, nacho VOTES em+p_dear who he had as a town read not so long before this vote, AND claims that he is fine with dyr votes, another one of his town reads. the em+p_dear 180 might be an even stronger case but I haven't looked at that yet. My guess is Nacho was trying to spin his em+p townread into a lynch candidate, but when that didn't take steam and he saw the dyr wagon coming, he started laying out the groundwork for him to be able to jump onto it once it was time.
↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:
Current thoughts areem+p and dyrnify, but they don't work as a team. Myko, Om, and CF are all pretty strong townreads.
↑ Smashbard wrote:If you're so convinced that I've been scum since Post #1 RQS, why isn't your vote on me? For someone so convinced you sure are struggling to find the gumption to vote me. Are you waiting to hear support from the other players first before you try and proceed with a lynch? Seems like you're not willing to take the leap on my wagon if it's not already backed by popular opinion first. You wouldn't need that if you weren't worried about drawing suspicion to yourself.
Soo any suspicions on anyone but me? Or is this a classic case of tunneling 101?
Ping.
Myko has been talking about different suspects, has been voting different suspects. Him not having the balls to vote you is an odd point, and it seems like you're trying to play a "vote me, I dare you" game which isn't a game townies play.
Mostly due to her leaving post. I got her to take a position, got her to give reads, and she ended up going after a target that really wasn't that popular at all, which was not a reaction i expected if she felt pressured at all. i wanted to see an additional post to see how she would handle cf's treatment of her vote, but no luck there.
I've been a bit aggressive with your wagons because I won't be able to read you worth shit if you don't do something, and getting that wagon on you is the quickest way to get there.
↑ em+p_dear wrote:As for Majiffy (that's Xeg's replacement, right?) I began to see him as innocent when other people began accusing me of scum. As smash pointed out, I was passive about it and instead of flat out asking people why they suspected me, I went back and reread my old posts and saw a lot of the same things Xeg wrote in his posts. I said some things that were stupid/suspicious, and from an objective point of view, I seemed wishy-washy and easily persuaded/discouraged by others. Initially, these were the very reasons I suspected Xeg, but in comparison, I found that I did them all as well. The more people suspected me, the more I reread my posts and the less scum/more clueless noob I began to see in him.
I like this reasoning a lot.
here, nacho starts agreeing with emp who he just said, EARLIER IN THIS POST, that he thought was scum, another 180. +scum for nacho
↑ Smashbard wrote:Could someone play middle man for me since Mykonian is going to do the whole "I'm not talking to you! *plugs ears*" strategy. All I need is for someone not named Smashbard to ask the exact same questions I am asking, since so long as he feels I'm scum he's going to refuse to answer any of them.
mykonian is a more thoughtful player than you think he is
↑ Smashbard wrote:Unvote. Vote: Nacho.
We're not getting anywhere having everyone split within three wagons. Obviously my reasons for suspecting Emp Dear are not convincing enough to everyone else, so yes, I'm compromising with two of my town reads rather than the Dyrnify Wagon because nobody can give me a straight answer as to why Dyrnify would hammer as scum on Day 1.
because he didn't see your intent to hammer
because there weren't any scum on the wagon and he was getting antsy
because he suspected doctor of being a power role and didn't want to give him time to actually claim
↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:Unvote, Vote: Dyrnify
I thought emp handled my pressure really well. Interestingly enough, the Xegar read that I didn't even mean to ask for in the first place is what's giving me the strongest townread on the slot; it makes a lot of sense that emp would find him town after she was called out for doing certain things and saw Xegar doing those same things. Dyr, on the other hand, has really fallen off since Day 1, which I find pretty fucking suspicious. I thought that if he was scum, he had a pretty good day 1, but today he's not really pushing anyone and only voting emp when it's based on his survival. Also found smash's vote on me pretty interesting and would like for him to confirm that he is voting me using Om's and CF's logic.
he forgot to vote dyr in #399 after giving us an awe inspiring performance about why dyr should be lynched, so he corrects for the mistake in #400. He backtracks on his EMP read out of nowhere in this same post, after forgetting to indicate why he all of the sudden likes EMP in #399.
tl;dr
Nacho = scum
btw, i will switch my vote back to Nacho in a heartbeat, as soon as one other player switches to nacho I will switch too, i had to change over to smash because I was worried about the dyr mislynch
Makes an overly convoluted case against Nacho to make it seem like he's scumhunting Nacho. Mentioning once again discouragement of any attempts at Nacho "laying the ground work" for a Dyrnify wagon, and then finishing off his multi-quote wall with yet another intent to compromise on his lynch target so long as he has other players support FIRST. Which is an extremely scummy thing to do WITHOUT the mountain of evidence that exposes him as Dyrnify's scum partner.
Icing on the cake is TheTrollie ONCE AGAIN stating that he only switched to me because he's worried about a Dyrnify "mislynch".
His entire motivation going into this game after his initial read through has been "Save dyrnify from any and all suspicions. And call everyone who thinks he's scum, scummy to induce fear through aggressive play."
Busted.
↑ TheTrollie wrote:vry good. thnx. now u wanna explain why your posting so bad as town?
Admission that he knows Nacho was town the whole time.
Sets up the hammer for his buddy knowing full well that Dyrnify has an itchy trigger finger.
↑ TheTrollie wrote:shit
Feigns surprise.
↑ TheTrollie wrote:doctors be on me tonight
Self preservationist tactic that ONLY scum use unless there is a reason to actually save your life as town, I.E. Power Role. CF Riot was the cop, so we know TheTrollie has no power role to fakeclaim now. Since he wanted protection, he selfishly requested his own life be more important than anyone elses despite not having a power role. Town DO NOT DO THIS. At least in my experience. Especially Vanilla Town that have no reason to be protected. This is probably the most damning evidence of TheTrollie being scum individually, outside of his constant defense of his scumbuddy.
That is until the start of today, where he "conveniently" decides to buss his partner to try and solidify himself as town. Dyrnify's quickhammers have outlived their usefulness to TheTrollie and he needs the town cred QUICK.
He will try to use the same aggressive tactics he has used since the start of his replacing in to prevent any of you from voting for him. He will scream and shout and when that fails to deter suspicion he will sarcastically dismiss any legitimate reason to vote for him.
Don't fall for it. Even if Dyrnify should be today's lynch, do not allow TheTrollie any town cred for bussing his partner. Not after how EXTREMELY PERSISTENT he was in defending Dyrnify from any and all suspicions Day 2. He aggressively switched between myself and Nacho because he was so afraid of a Dyrnify lynch. The only reasons he didn't push so hard on an Emp Dear lynch is because he obviously has been trying to take down the most pro-town players in the game one by one so that he can take control of the game and win it for his team.
So that required Nacho to be lynched, CF Riot to be killed and his partner to be bussed for the additional town cred after Nacho so emphatically declared that Dyrnify was scum for taking his lynch bait. Too bad you spent so much energy defending Dyrnify Day 2, because now you've got so much egg on your face we'll be making omelettes at your gallows.
Vote: TheTrollie
Scum #2
smash has been opportunistic as shit. oh wait...i did see that in his town meta. PROBABLY scum #2
