Open 459: There is a New Scum in Town. Game Over Town Wins!

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Nacho

penguin_alien
4 posts, 1 lynch
i believe in you guys

[penguin_alien]

borkjerfkin, do you mean Fizz?

[borkjerfkin]

same slot, whatever.

are we really doing this popcorn shit? lol.

[RachMarie]

uggh for some reason my first VC did not post, but here goes:

Vote Count 4.2 FINAL

Nachomamma8 (5) Pirate Mollie, Nobody Special, Borkjerfkin, Majiffy, Nachomamma8 (LYNCH)




Not Voting
Buldemar, penguin_alien, Kmd4390, Maenara




With 9 it takes 5 to lynch



This has to be a record in lynching lol. Flavor and Flip next post


(expired on 2013-02-02 17:31:55)

[RachMarie]

Though it was still morning and they had most of the day to go it seemed like after the argument over number of lynches they wanted to hurry up. Nacho suggested Popcorn lynching and the town seemed eager to try it. The first victim was the one who suggested it. As Nacho uttered his last words of I trust you town, he died. No glamor was revealed. Nacho was just as he seemed to be a regular member of the town.



Nachomamma8

Vanilla Townie

was lynched on Day 4.




Deadline is in (expired on 2013-01-16 00:13:03)


I will need all night actions before then.

[RachMarie]

The new dawn breaks, As you all slide in your seats to start Day 5, you notice someone is missing. It is Majiffy. As you all rush toward his bedroom, you notice a door that is open. Inside you find Majiffy strangled to death with his own stethoscope......The mafia have struck again.



Majiffy

Doctor

was killed on Night 4.


With 7 it takes 4 to lynch

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-02-06 03:33:59)

[Majiffy]

[Maenara]

Would someone kindly explain yesterday in sane language?

[borkjerfkin]

Basically you're clear because I told director to jail you if uct flipped scum, which he did.

Now Nacho wants to popcorn lynch, but honestly I'm very interested to hear what you think at this point since you're confirmed.

[buldermar]

VOTE: penguin

[Maenara]

See, this is why I kinda didn't want me protected and stuff. I haven't got much useful to say. Penguin sounds good, though. I'm fine with sticking to this plan; it'll lead us to victory unless we all fail completely.

VOTE: Penguin

[borkjerfkin]

Except that you'd probably have ended up lynched if we hadn't done this. It's not terribly beneficial for your game personally, but it really does help the town.

VOTE: Penguin

[penguin_alien]

...so three people think Nachomamma8 is scummy enough to vote, and even though he's been saying I'm cleared due to role interactions and should be last on a lynching list, suddenly I'm a scum pick with no reason given. And rather than attempt to put together an argument, he decides to put forward a popcorn lynching idea (which I can only assume Majiffy went with for the laughs) and self-hammer as town before everyone had checked in for the day. And this is the guy whose plan you want to follow. Brilliant. About the only positive I see is that it was put forward by now-confirmed town, so as misguided as it may be, it's not coming from scum. I'd have objected more strenuously last day phase if I'd realized Nachomamma8 had self-hammered, but it would have been all over but the twilight anyways, so here we are.

If y'all are gung-ho on following this asinine plan, fine, but I hope you can get back to actual scum-hunting at some point. Because I've certainly seen my share of games where most of the scum team gets strung up early and the last scum standing weasels his way to a victory because everyone thinks they have plenty of time to lynch haphazardly.

I don't have a lot of faith in my scum detection skills this game, as my two top suspects became obvtown with uctriton00's scum flip and the director's presumed action two nights ago, plus there's at least one person who hasn't posted since uctriton00's flip. Even so, if you really want to go with this, I'd appreciate 24 hours to let me reassess my reads. I'd like to leave the town with some thoughts to move forward with.

[Kmd4390]

This is dumb.

vote nobody special

[buldermar]

Well I'm also cool with sheeping Maenara.

[Maenara]

Well I'm also cool with sheeping Maenara.

Dude. Look at my reads in this game. You'd be better off sheeping our foreign minister, and he doesn't even speak the language.

That aside, I think it's plenty clear which people we oughtn't lynch, and which are fine to lynch, but in case of scum not having realized these, let's not mention them. Go-go quicklynch.

[buldermar]

Right

penguin, who's after you?

[RachMarie]

Vote Count 5.1


penguin_alien (3) Buldemar, Maenara, Borkjerfkin, (L-1)
Nobody Special (1) Kmd4390



Not Voting
penguin_alien, Nobody Special, Pirate Mollie



With 7 it takes 4 to lynch

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-02-06 03:33:59)

[Nobody Special]

Why are we lynching penguin, again?

[Kmd4390]

Because nacho said to before he got lynched yesterday......

[pirate mollie]

7 players, 2 scum left 5 town do the numbers sound right here

[penguin_alien]

At the risk of encouraging this descent into roulette, one scum left, pirate mollie.

Maenara, by my reckoning I'd count you as the closest thing we have to guaranteed town. That's one. Then there's the idea that uctriton00 was not likely pushing his buddy's lynch as emphatically as he did Nobody Special's, making Nobody Special the next best thing to likely town. After that, I don't think there's anyone who has a good case for being lynchproof. In order for popcorn lynching to be a viable plan for the rest of the game, we need four lynchproof people, one for each remaining night kill and two to form a majority at LyLo. I can't see where you (Maenara) come up with three other people you're willing to bet the game on being town right now. Others might have it easier, as they are at least pretending to work from the self-confirmed town POV, but that still leaves everyone needing one absolutely immutable town read aside from themselves, Maenara, and Nobody Special, and based on Kmd4390's vote, at least one other person doesn't believe that Nobody Special is cleared by uctriton00's flip.

buldermar, since you're apparently in favor of this popcorn lynching plan to string up someone who was under protection on a no-kill night, who are your three other unlynchables besides yourself (yes, this means you can't put yourself down as one of your town reads like you did in replying to pirate mollie's survey) to make this plan work? I'm assuming borkjerfkin's haven't changed from buldermar, Nobody Special, and Maenara, although I don't concur that buldermar getting involved in the JK planning discussion was overly town. Given that I suspect scum had a bead on the director for his pushing me out of nowhere following a no-kill night, the whole thing was probably moot.

Nothing's happened since Day 3 to change my town read on pirate mollie. It seems rather convoluted for borkjerfkin to get the ball rolling on the JK target planning if he was just going to kill the most likely JK directly, moving him down my list. I'm reserving my thoughts on Kmd4390 until I hear why he thinks Nobody Special is scum post-uctriton00 flip. He was initially going to give us a case on buldermar if uctriton00 flipped scum, which happened, so I would like to know why that's changed.

buldermar on the other hand spends a lot of time encouraging the JK target speculation, messes around with the uctriton00 wagon a lot via jumping on and off, to the point of trying to derail it in the same post where he votes for him:

Isn't Uct wagon a bit dated, though?

VOTE: uct

and waltzes in today with the easy UTR vote. He avoids putting forward information where possible, as in his three town/scum reads where he basically lists two for each, and tries to smoke out PRs with things like his posting at the start of Day 3 about implying that he saved pirate mollie, when we know based on flips that such was not the case.

VOTE: Buldermar

[Kmd4390]

Oh shit forgot about the buld thing.

He did his system thing which seemed to implicate uct until the final shuffle dropped him on the lynch order. Then he said something about "if we are using this" like he was pushing us to come to a consensus that ignores uct and lynches (was it majiffy/penguin?), who he was all "I don't think they're scum but oh well".

unvote, vote buld

[Kmd4390]

Oh and i'd love it if fizz's slot ended up being scum after the whole Day 1 thing.

[buldermar]

At the risk of encouraging this descent into roulette, one scum left, pirate mollie.

Maenara, by my reckoning I'd count you as the closest thing we have to guaranteed town. That's one. Then there's the idea that uctriton00 was not likely pushing his buddy's lynch as emphatically as he did Nobody Special's, making Nobody Special the next best thing to likely town. After that, I don't think there's anyone who has a good case for being lynchproof. In order for popcorn lynching to be a viable plan for the rest of the game, we need four lynchproof people, one for each remaining night kill and two to form a majority at LyLo. I can't see where you (Maenara) come up with three other people you're willing to bet the game on being town right now. Others might have it easier, as they are at least pretending to work from the self-confirmed town POV, but that still leaves everyone needing one absolutely immutable town read aside from themselves, Maenara, and Nobody Special, and based on Kmd4390's vote, at least one other person doesn't believe that Nobody Special is cleared by uctriton00's flip.

buldermar, since you're apparently in favor of this popcorn lynching plan to string up someone who was under protection on a no-kill night, who are your three other unlynchables besides yourself (yes, this means you can't put yourself down as one of your town reads like you did in replying to pirate mollie's survey) to make this plan work? I'm assuming borkjerfkin's haven't changed from buldermar, Nobody Special, and Maenara, although I don't concur that buldermar getting involved in the JK planning discussion was overly town. Given that I suspect scum had a bead on the director for his pushing me out of nowhere following a no-kill night, the whole thing was probably moot.

Nothing's happened since Day 3 to change my town read on pirate mollie. It seems rather convoluted for borkjerfkin to get the ball rolling on the JK target planning if he was just going to kill the most likely JK directly, moving him down my list. I'm reserving my thoughts on Kmd4390 until I hear why he thinks Nobody Special is scum post-uctriton00 flip. He was initially going to give us a case on buldermar if uctriton00 flipped scum, which happened, so I would like to know why that's changed.

buldermar on the other hand spends a lot of time encouraging the JK target speculation, messes around with the uctriton00 wagon a lot via jumping on and off, to the point of trying to derail it in the same post where he votes for him:

Isn't Uct wagon a bit dated, though?

VOTE: uct

and waltzes in today with the easy UTR vote. He avoids putting forward information where possible, as in his three town/scum reads where he basically lists two for each, and tries to smoke out PRs with things like his posting at the start of Day 3 about implying that he saved pirate mollie, when we know based on flips that such was not the case.

VOTE: Buldermar

I can see from your OMGUS that my vote is well-placed. I'll look into your argument now, I guess.

I'm not in favor of this popcorn lynching plan, it was instigated without my presence and I merely went along with it without any objections. Do you see the difference?

I do not have three other unlynchables besides myself, and the premise that I ought to have three other unlynchables besides myself for the popcorn lynching plan to be efficient is false. To my understanding, the most important advantage from the strategy is the fact that scum cannot manipulate town into certain lynches, and the next lynch will always be dictated by a confirmed town.

There is no plan that guarantees us a win

, so you can't say that because this plan doesn't, it doesn't work. That's just silly and stupid and you should be ashamed.

You claim that I spend a lot of time encouraging the JK target speculation. This is very true, as I sincerely believe that doing so at the time was optimal for town. We needed to figure out what to do, from a global perspective, so that we all could agree that this would without a doubt be the best strategy. And we did.

You also claim that I messed around with the uctriton00 wagon a lot via jumping on and off to the point of trying to derail it in the same post where I voted for him. Let me make some things clear for you:
1) I was very explicit about my intend all of the time, namely that I read Majiffy's case on uct, agreed with it and, as such, wanted uct lynched. I intended to hammer him whenever I would get the chance and made this explicit. I unvoted him in order to get the option of hammering him, which I also made explicit.
2) What you refer to as me trying to "derail it" was sarcasm and a direct reference to something Majiffy said in a prior post:

I guess.

Isn't Paris Hilton a bit dated to be making jokes about, though?

The fact that you could possibly miss this is evidence that you either a) do not pay attention to the game or b) are trying to get me mislynched. Either of these correlates with scum-alignment.

The claim that I avoid putting forward information where possible is outright false. In fact I attempted to be extremely specific and sincere in my reads by not "making up" a 3rd scum read when I only had 2.

The claim that I tried to smoke out PRs with things like my posting at the start of Day 3 implying that I saved private mollie is also false. Multiple people in this game know that this is a reference to a prior game that I played in which I jokingly claimed to have saved someone and wrongfully got lynched for it because several people did not trust that it was sarcasm.


I want to make some

addition points for others to read:

You make several points that could have been made at any point prior to this. That is, this case was "pre-made" and you have just been waiting for an opportunity to post it. If you thought that all of these matters were true, you would have pointed them out already, but you didn't. This is because you're a scum who is now seing a good opportunity to attempt to get me mislynched.

All of the claims that you make are either simply wrong (e.g. the claim of me trying to derail the uct wagon based on my reference to Majiffy's post), or, alternatively, right but not indicative of alignment the way you think they are (e.g. the claim about spending time encouraging JK target speculation).

I want to make it perfectly clear that

I am now voting penguin because I consider penguin scum based on the above analysis.