Gay Mafia II: RIDE THE LIGHTNING (Game Over)

[dramonic]

I just ISOed myself.
I actually AM quite obviously town 0_o
DGB, might I interest in fresh trolliescum?

[Iecerint]

VOTE: Vollkan

I think dram's unlikely to be scum based on the timing of his vote yesterday. I think DGB, zora, and Zoidberg are town. Magua/BT slot is pretty town, too. Vollkan and Trollie remain. I don't think Trollie was scum with SPB, so I'd rather lynch vollkan.

Pedit: Hmmmmmmm well, DGB's case on Zoidberg is actually pretty good. Hadn't really questioned my read. I don't think skepticism about the dichotomy would be too scummy on its own, but its problematic in concert with the "facts" post that framed things in SPB's favor.

Zoidberg iso -->

[dramonic]

@Iece:

On a more interesting note, should we massclaim now, or do we want to get closer to prisoner's dilemna?

[Iecerint]

I would prefer to wait exactly 1 day before massclaim.

[vollkan]

I received a PM last night like the one DGB described. it was an ASCII dick and asked for my asl

Voolkan stats

Number of times Wyrd is mentioned:

0

Number of times SPB is mentioned:

1 indirect

"1) Post 385 doesn't make any sense at all as a reason to suspect BT. BT had declared his opinion on trollie and SPB, but why does that make it scummy to ask other people for their reasons?"

Number of times TH is mentioned:

Numerous times

Number of times Ythan is mentioned:

Numerous times


I find the below a suspicious lining up of a townie to the gallows if vollkan was Ythan's buddy, and vollkan knew that Ythan would flip scum.

Tentative +7 on Zoraster in the event that Ythan is scum. The reason for this that Zoraster has avoided actually stating a position one way or the other on the claim, and has instead just questioned the manner in which it was made

for the past three weeks or so, ive only been able to play on mobile devices. which is why my play has been so narrow, iioa, etc

i just gavent been able to properly read and track through things.

as for that last point, i think my argument was valid. i get that in retrospect itcan be interpreted that way, but the point itsekf was entirely legit.

Beyond that his contribution to the game drops off the map, and is all just asking questions and doing nothing with it. No analysis, no real stances. Claims voteless D5, but that's really no excuse.

See, that's not the vollkan-town that I know and love. Sure he's aloof with his arm's-length, opaque number system, but he's not usually this shifty and uninvolved. Was he even voted once? I don't think anyone has ever voted for vollkan. For someone with such powerful towncred potential he's done shockingly little.

except you know full well that vollkan-scum is just as active/aggressive as vollkantown - and vollkanscum distances a lot.. my play being off cilour here is entirely due to RL factors (ie no computer)

[DrippingGoofball]

And vollkan-SK? What's that like.

A scumtell that's panned out really well for me recently (when I discovered my own tendency to do this as scum), is people using RL or technical excuses for lurking.

As you have just done.

You have failed to explain your huge 7 point on zoraster conditional scumminess about Ythan, something you have failed to follow up on.

You have failed to submit point totals, too. I get it; they tend to get you flak. But that's never stopped you before.

[DrippingGoofball]

oh is this the part where we all pretend we're gonna lynch fate day 1?



geez, i was wondering when we were gonna get to that, but typically i want no part of it

we're not pretending.

I'd bet you my left nut Fate doesn't get lynched today.

You've got a town read on Wyrd, then?

There is little point to this Zoidberg post, except to frame kuribo for a possible Wyrd town read.

[Iecerint]

Yeah, DGB's case is pretty solid. Something else that stood out to me is that Zoidberg has a pretty scummy read on SPB early D1, which just makes the cognitive dissonance from framing things to favor DW more dissonant.

matts read was already reversing by then so we didnt press him on it plus his whole reaction and handling of the claim and followup felt p genuinely town to me.

Translation: Trollie claimed protown PR so I shut the fuck up real quick, content with having a nightkill target tonight.

This quote also reminded me that Trollie is alive since D1 despite his crumb soooooooooo that is kinda starting to stretch SoD for me. Makes me start to rethink dram's question. I guess it can wait a day if we're lynching Zoidberg, anyway, though. It might work itself out.

Unvote
Vote: Zoidberg

[dramonic]

woah read-easy.

[DrippingGoofball]

Not because he thinks Wyrd is town, but because Fate and whoever else is in that hydra are (in)famous around these parts. So basically, kuribo is saying "Even if Wyrd is scum we're still not going to lynch, because Fate. Fap fap fap fap fap fap fapfapfapfapfapfapfap."

There are a lot of kuribo-framing posts between the one I just posted, and the one I'm posting here, but you can see how Zoidberg slowly changed from "you have a town-read on Wyrd" to "you have a scum-read on Wyrd but won't lynch him.

You can iso this yourself to see the rhetorical evolution.

[DrippingGoofball]

One of them is

asking

? Pardon me, but I happen to have some knowledge in proper English and grammar, but I don't see a single question mark at the end of any of those sentences. Not a single one of them is a

question

. Try again...

Fine, you pedantic fuck. One is telling people to vote. The other is voting because you're told. Either way they're still not even close to the same thing and you're just nitpicking for no reason. The presence or absence of a fucking question mark makes no difference.

What the hell is this "+#" crap that I see you posting every now and then? You're the only one I've seen doing it. Is it role related or something?

The

+X

numbers are "scum points" on his personal scum scale. It's his attempt to be transparent. This was already explained in-thread like 40 pages ago.

I note with great interest that you avoided addressing his point.

(also hey he's the first one voting Thunderscum and that ain't no bus)

And how are

YOU

so sure of this? You do seem pretty confident - you must know something that we don't.

UNVOTE: Zoid; Vote Wyrd

Please quote instances of Wyrd being scummy. Be specific and explain why you feel it is scummy.

I can't wrap my head around this one, Zoidberg is defending Wyrd against Thunderhog!

[DrippingGoofball]

I want to murder you in spirit.

K, well vote me if you want. Don't vig please.

This is pretty interesting. Zoidberg doesn't want to be NK'd? It's a PR softclaim, but we know that Zoidberg's power involves pointless ascii dicks, who cares if he gets NK'd?

[DrippingGoofball]

Or someone vigging the everlasting fuck out of him. Hint hint. Wink wink. Nudge nudge.

And directing the vig...

[DrippingGoofball]

I'd rather lynch Quilford first. If he flips town then we can quickwagon DGB or her replacement tomorrow.

This is SUPER interesting.

Zoidberg is lining up a lynched based on a player flipping TOWN!!!!

Have I ever seen this before????

[DrippingGoofball]

Alright, I'm pretty sure of vollkan-SK and Zoidberg-scum.

vollkan pretty much has no links to anyone at all.

[Zoidberg]

I'm V/LA until monday am btw.

DGB's case on me is mistaken.

Softclaim was because at the time I thought I could confirm as town, but then I found the wiki article for Fruit Vendor which is my role, so all I can claim is not-governor, not-blocker, etc.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm V/LA until monday am btw.

DGB's case on me is mistaken.

Softclaim was because at the time I thought I could confirm as town, but then I found the wiki article for Fruit Vendor which is my role, so all I can claim is not-governor, not-blocker, etc.

I want flavor and details.

Read my sig!

[DrippingGoofball]

Zoidberg fails to list his night targets with his Fruit Vendor claim.

BAD SIGN

[DrippingGoofball]

For ref:

Pretentiousdra

- 7 (

Quilford

,

DrippingGoofball

, Zoidberg,

Om of the Nom

,

Slumberpartybois

, BT, Drench)

Wyrd

- 8 (

Slumberpartybois

,

Kawaii

,

Pretentiousdra

, zoraster,

Gammagooey

, Nobody Special,

One Direction

,

Quilford

)

Zoidberg - 4 (

kuribo

,

Ythan

,

ThunderHog

,

Om of the Nom

)

***

ThunderHog

- 13 (vollkan,

Gammagooey

, Zoidberg,

Wyrd

,

Kawaii

, TheTrollie,

kuribo

,

Om of the Nom

, Nobody Special, zoraster, dramonic,

JacobSavage

,

Nachomamma8

)

zoraster - 5 (

Pretentiousdra

,

One Direction

,

Om of the Nom

,

JacobSavage

,

DrippingGoofball

)

JacobSavage

- 6 (

DeltaWave

, Iecerint,

Quilford

,

Slumberpartybois

, Zoidberg, zoraster)

***

Ythan

- 9 (

One Direction

,

Om of the Nom

, Iecerint,

Wyrd

,

Slumberpartybois

,

DeltaWave

, Zoidberg, vollkan,

Kawaii

, BT)

Not Voting - 11 (

Mini-Librarian

, zoraster,

TheButtonmen

, dramonic,

Quilford

,

JacobSavage

,

Pretentiousdra

, TheTrollie,

DrippingGoofball

)

***

Ythan

- 11 (

One Direction

,

Om of the Nom

, Iecerint,

Wyrd

,

Slumberpartybois

,

DeltaWave

, Zoidberg, vollkan,

Kawaii

,

Quilford

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Pretentiousdra

)

Not Voting - 11 (

Mini-Librarian

, zoraster,

TheButtonmen

, dramonic,

JacobSavage

, TheTrollie, BT

***

TheButtonmen

- 6 (

Pretentiousdra

, Zoidberg,

Kawaii

, The

Mini-Librarian

,

Wyrd

,

DrippingGoofball

)

Slumberpartybois

- 4 (

DrippingGoofball

, zoraster, dramonic,

DeltaWave

)
***

DrippingGoofball

- 5 (

Slumberpartybois

,

Wyrd

,

Kawaii

, TheTrollie)

[DrippingGoofball]

Corrections for replacements

Pretentiousdra

- 7 (

Quilford

,

DrippingGoofball

, Zoidberg,

Om of the Nom

,

Slumberpartybois

, Magua,

Bella/Drench

)

Wyrd

- 8 (

Slumberpartybois

,

Kawaii

,

Pretentiousdra

, zoraster,

Gammagooey

,

Mini-Librarian

,

One Direction

,

Quilford

)

Zoidberg - 4 (

kuribo

,

Ythan

,

ThunderHog

,

Om of the Nom

)

***

ThunderHog

- 13 (vollkan,

Gammagooey

, Zoidberg,

Wyrd

,

Kawaii

, TheTrollie,

kuribo

,

Om of the Nom

,

Mini-Librarian

, zoraster, dramonic,

JacobSavage

,

Nachomamma8

)

zoraster - 5 (

Pretentiousdra

,

One Direction

,

Om of the Nom

,

JacobSavage

,

DrippingGoofball

)

JacobSavage

- 6 (

DeltaWave

, Iecerint,

Quilford

,

Slumberpartybois

, Zoidberg, zoraster)

***

Ythan

- 9 (

One Direction

,

Om of the Nom

, Iecerint,

Wyrd

,

Slumberpartybois

,

DeltaWave

, Zoidberg, vollkan,

Kawaii

, BT)

Not Voting - 11 (

Mini-Librarian

, zoraster,

TheButtonmen

, dramonic,

Quilford

,

JacobSavage

,

Pretentiousdra

, TheTrollie,

DrippingGoofball

)

***

Ythan

- 11 (

One Direction

,

Om of the Nom

, Iecerint,

Wyrd

,

Slumberpartybois

,

DeltaWave

, Zoidberg, vollkan,

Kawaii

,

Quilford

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Pretentiousdra

)

Not Voting - 11 (

Mini-Librarian

, zoraster,

TheButtonmen

, dramonic,

JacobSavage

, TheTrollie, BT

***

TheButtonmen

- 6 (

Pretentiousdra

, Zoidberg,

Kawaii

, The

Mini-Librarian

,

Wyrd

,

DrippingGoofball

)

Slumberpartybois

- 4 (

DrippingGoofball

, zoraster, dramonic,

DeltaWave

)
***

DrippingGoofball

- 5 (

Slumberpartybois

,

Wyrd

,

Kawaii

, TheTrollie)

[DrippingGoofball]

Alright. I rarely do wagon analysis late in the game because some of my assumptions (number of scum per wagon) become unstable as scum and townies flip, and the number of unrevealed players begins to diminish.

It would stand to reason, though, that the ThunderHog wagon, with 13 voters, 1 outed scum (Wyrd), and 5 unrevealed players has one more mafia on it. One among vollkan, Zoidberg, Trollie, zoraster, and dramonic. Admitted that doesn't do much to narrow the field.

That's all I can extract at this point. It's not incompatible with my vollkan-SK and Zoidberg-scum theory.

[vollkan]

And vollkan-SK? What's that like.

A scumtell that's panned out really well for me recently (when I discovered my own tendency to do this as scum), is people using RL or technical excuses for lurking.

As you have just done.

You have failed to explain your huge 7 point on zoraster conditional scumminess about Ythan, something you have failed to follow up on.

You have failed to submit point totals, too. I get it; they tend to get you flak. But that's never stopped you before.

I think ive only been SK once, and I dont remember it.

i never fabricate rl excuses - i consider it unfair

what about it needs explaining?

[TheTrollie]

now im up for either zoid or DGB

maybe zoid now and then DGB if shes still around tomorrow

[DrippingGoofball]

I think ive only been SK once, and I dont remember it.

Not an argument.

i never fabricate rl excuses - i consider it unfair

You're an honest guy, I would actually trust you on this one.

what about it needs explaining?

Your normal playstyle does involve a certain scarcity of posts but in this game you've been singularly uninvolved and the quality of your posts is uncharacteristically very, very poor.

It's not stuff you can argue away logically, we're talking about meta reasons.

I'd still like to see what you'd come up with if you plunged in the pool. Any chance you can do this during this game-day?

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB, might I interest in fresh trolliescum?

And the reason would be?....