League of Legends (Old)

[TheButtonmen]

TSM is really not that great?

NA as a whole is really not that great

EG!

If you can't beat them, buy them.

[JDodge]

TSM is really not that great?

NA as a whole is really not that great

EG!

If you can't beat them, buy them.

Is still a European team and to my knowledge is going to be based in Germany.

TSM has never been particularly good imo. (Even if they've won it's been massively unimpressive to me)

TSM has been through most of season 2 dominant against the NA scene; the issue is that the NA scene is as a whole significantly weaker than the EU and Asian scenes, so that means dick all in the long run. They are consistently the worst of the big 3 NA teams (TSM, CLG, Dig) vs the Asian teams (which were the strongest at the time of WCs although one could make a case that Europe is somewhat on par at this point), thus they're not relevant on the world scene at the moment.

CLG keeps screwing themselves with almost-too-soon roster changes

CLG actually got a huge huge huge boost when A) they got rid of Voyboy, who hasn't kept up with the changes the game has made, and B) Jiji stepped aside, as he was at that point a relic of an era gone past. CLG is probably the strongest NA team at the moment but I'm hesitant to say that with the influx of strongish new teams and the general lack of any good international events at the moment.

Curse will never have good enough mechanics to take the gold

Curse's problem is less mechanical and more the fact that Curse doesn't want a League of Legends pro team, they want a reality show.

Dignitas has like 2 legitimately good players and the rest lack the mechanics to keep up. Hopefully living with CLG will help fix this.

Dignitas' issues are multiple and easily traceable.

A) Dignitas when it sort of burst onto the scene (even back as Rock Solid) relied heavily on the fact that at the time, Scarra and Voyboy were the 2 best solo laners in NA. Losing Voyboy meant that a lot of the key to beating Dig became "camp Scarra", Scarra handles being camped really poorly and loses lanes hard off of it, Dignitas loses.

B) Getting Dominate on tilt was extremely easy and it was painful to watch as he threw game after game by getting all worked up and making shitloads of mistakes.

C) L0cust hadn't remained relevant (he was only ever impressive on Sona; the Sona nerfs took that away and he never fully recovered) and I'm not really impressed with Patoy.

D) Crumbzz isn't a top-tier laner. Crumbzz is a top-tier jungler.

Everything except A and C have been addressed; need to see how Kiwikid performs before a good judgment can be made.

NA as a whole is going to get screwed pretty hard this season.

NA only gets screwed as much as NA lets itself get screwed. EU adapted to the Asian invasion, NA chose to stay the course. NA needs to adapt now or die.

Saint is the best NA leader. He sees everything and he knows the right thing to do, but he just can't seem to vocalize it properly or in time, so it seems like he doesn't get enough followup or that he's diving and throwing it away. His persona and ego certainly don't help his case, but if he could somehow work on calm vocalization of this thought process and objectives, he would be one of the best leaders in the game. Crs is not top-tier talent even for NA, but with the right approach/attitude and some happy meds for Saint, they could have a strong showing in S3.

Saint is a piss-poor leader. A good leader isn't someone who screeches at his team until they do what they want; a good leader is someone who is calm, level-headed, and gets people to listen through mutual respect, not through throwing tantrums. He may have

potential

to be a good leader, but he isn't solely because he doesn't quite grasp that respect part.

[Bub Bidderskins]

I think that the best thing that happened to the NA teams was the LCS. Now they have no excuse not to practice day in and day out. I think they may be a little bit under-rated at the moment, but it will be a while before we can see if they've improved any since S2. Although Curse did beat M5...

[JDodge]

Although Curse did beat M5...

who had a bad group stage (crs ended up last from three-way tiebreaker in their group) and then stomped both of the azubu teams in the bracket

[IH]

I also like to play and watch this game.

[Cyberbob]

Saint is the best NA leader.

lmao

[Cyberbob]

Which is why I think people liking them is ridiculous?

this is a really dumb post sorry quadz i'm really sorry about this post that you made

[Ankamius]

Feels good to be playing this game again. Maybe with the new league system coming soon, I'll be interested in playing ranked for once.

EDIT: If anyone can help me get up to speed on the lanes that aren't AD as well, I'd be very grateful.

[MrZepher]

Ank <3

Also, what does one do vs an Elise top pick?
What picks are good vs and what are good strategies.
I just got rolled and I'm kind of at a loss since I don't play a lot of toplane.

[chamber]

Ank <3

Also, what does one do vs an Elise top pick?
What picks are good vs and what are good strategies.
I just got rolled and I'm kind of at a loss since I don't play a lot of toplane.

Elise tends to roll people in lane. I'm sure some champs have favourable match ups, I don't know them. Just roam, don't feed, and pick champions with a better team fight cause hers is poop.

[Venmar]

Elise is annoying because you can' outpoke her very well and she can survive tower dives you do on her by simply jumping into the air. Probably the best bet is to be a bit more passive and don't get low enough for her to get the drop on you. Playing a bit more passive is a good bet because if you can at least manage to not lose your lane and/or deny her farm and kills, she will be poop in teamfights lik Chamber said.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Although Curse did beat M5...

who had a bad group stage (crs ended up last from three-way tiebreaker in their group) and then stomped both of the azubu teams in the bracket

The only reason crs was last was because of the gimmicky time-based tiebreaker system that IEM used. I will admit that Gambit did did not play well in the group stage at all, but I think that Curse beating them shows that they aren't as far off from Asia and Europe as most people think. Also keep in mind that Curse was playing with a sub and had to fly 20 hours. They weren't at 100%.

[singersigner]

I beat an Elise as Teemo in top lane once re: kills and farm. She then went on to get a triple kill in a team fight later. Randoms. -_-

[Jahudo]

I just started playing this game against bots and have the basics down. But the bots seem pretty predictable and things like lane assignments and warding isn't important there, so what should I know before I play a real game? I've played mostly Soraka, Garen and Katarina.

[singersigner]

Play with me. I'll teach you everything you need to know cuz I'm preeetty much the best.

[Brandi]

^Singer teaches everyone. She's the one who got me addicted. <_<
whats your name in game jahudooooooooooo

[mykonian]

I just started playing this game against bots and have the basics down. But the bots seem pretty predictable and things like lane assignments and warding isn't important there, so what should I know before I play a real game? I've played mostly Soraka, Garen and Katarina.

Dying isn't bad.

Living by 10 health is perfect.

Getting out with 500 hp means you could have stayed a little longer.

[Jahudo]

Thanks! My account name is Jahudo

I don't know if I'll play tonight but definitely tomorrow.

[Brandi]

Eh, Dying is definitely bad.
For example, if you die 6 or 7 times in a game, that's an average 4:15 of time being dead. (Not including the time it gets back to lane or wherever you need to be)
The average game is about 30 minutes long, so that would be about 14% {(4 1/4)/30 = 14%} of the game that you aren't available to be useful to your team.

The more you die late game the more and more detrimental it is to your team overall, and the closer your death can be what causes you to lose the entire game.

If you die once or twice, no that's not as bad. But you should DEFINITELY try to mitigate deaths as much as possible. Dying is a big deal- even if you get something out of it (unless of course it was truly "worth it"); And that doesn't mean you shouldn't try your damnedest to stay alive if you can help it.

[quadz08]

Jahudo, number 1 rule in LoL is Do Not Listen To Mykonian.

[mykonian]

you guys are mean.

[quadz08]

<3

[Ankamius]

Don't do what I do and accidently buy a doran's blade at the start of the game.

[JDodge]

the reason why dying is bad has not that much to do with time spent dead until lategame

Let's assume you're worth 300g (and thus your value for dying never goes down as that's the easiest assumption to work from) and every time they kill you they get at least one assist (this is basically worst-case scenario). That means that every time they kill you, they earn 450g. Let's assume you die twice. You just gave them the gold value of a dragon. Let's assume you die 2 more times. The value they've gotten from killing you has now exceeded the gold bonus from killing Baron.

Don't feed.

[mykonian]

uhm, we are talking about someone who comes out of botgames.

Nothing tells you you've done something wrong better then you dying. So yes, it sucks, but it's not bad.

People will say that getting out with 50 hp is luck. Doing that consistently is skill. However, this means you go over the edge now and then as well. Too bad, but it's better to do that now when you are still learning the game.

On the other hand, you could say to every noob "don't feed", they'll be scared to put themselves at risk. It's just as bad as dying as they simply aren't doing the things that make you win a game. Except in this case, there isn't the obvious grey screen that tells you you went over the line. This time, someone else "fed" and lost you the game.

there's nothing wrong with being lv10 and dying a lot.