Gay Mafia II: RIDE THE LIGHTNING (Game Over)

[Sir Elton Hercules John]

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[dramonic]

JoaV
Not it

[dramonic]

Tbh it could have been the work of SPB, the role would sync fairly wel with the bookie and gov.
Actually when you look at it that way the bookie dying d1 probably fucked the game balance in town favor.

[DrippingGoofball]

Explain?

[Magua]

Scum can usually action + NK if they're the last one left, so I don't think the presence of dicktexts makes Zoidberg town -- it just confirms that his action is to send dicktexts (which we knew anyway). (Also, that was vollkan, not me.)

The thing is, that defeats the entire point of a Fruit Vendor (the point of the PR being that you have a verifiable Night action). See also: Author Mafia, where the Mafia Fruit Vendor was not allowed to NK and give fruit in the same Night, even though the other Mafia were allowed.

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Vote shenanigans are *highly* likely to either be SPB, or to be DeasVail (who had died that same Night). The only thing that detracts from this theory is that I'm pretty certain that the post restriction thing was also Dreaming God work.

OTOH, vollkan could've just been completely lying about that, since it was never tested.

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Back to Zoidberg, the "why" I don't think Zoidberg is mafia from the D1 votes is how long the votes are kept on and how the case is pushed.

Ythan spends most of D1 voting Zoidberg. He does jump onto Wyrd (bus), but it's for four vote counts and then he's back onto Zoidberg. But there's no reasoning given for jumping off of Wyrd, and jumping back onto Zoidberg is done off-hand. It makes the Ythan/Wyrd interaction read as distancing and the Ythan/Zoidberg interaction a place for Ythan to dump his vote and forget it.

ThunderHog spends most of the Day on Zoidberg, and jumps onto Wyrd (bus) only after he (Thunderhog) becomes the leading wagon, and he jumps onto Wyrd for a completely throwaway reason (Wyrd says vollkan isn't bussing Thunderhog). Thunderhog is going down and wants to distance a partner, jumps onto Wyrd. No need to do that if Zoidberg is also scum with Thunderhog, since SPB is already distancing Wyrd, Thunderhog can distance Zoidberg and that can be played for towncred. But nope.

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I have a pretty PoE pool to lynch from: vollkan, Iecerint, and dramonic. Of those, I feel that vollkan is really the best bet for Mafia. Like, super really.

[dramonic]

why not trollie?

[vollkan]

should be getting new computr tomorrow (delvery delayed)

[DrippingGoofball]

Vote shenanigans are *highly* likely to either be SPB

You think that he lowered the lynch threshold as many of us were ready to lynch him over DW?

[Iecerint]

Vote shenanigans are *highly* likely to either be SPB, or to be

DeasVail

(who had died that same Night).

Huh?

The Fruit Vendor still has a function in that it clears Zoidberg of any other mafia night-functions (e.g., he couldn't have been the roleblocker). But it's irrelevant if there's a strong precedent for Fruit Vendor getting special treatment. I'll check out the Author mafia game you mention.

[DrippingGoofball]

Fruit vendor is not cleared, especially since one of his targets was the COP on night 4, what's up with that???

[Iecerint]

Magua, AFAICT, Author Mafia doesn't treat the Fruit Vendor role in a special way -- rather, that game prevents scum from using their ability + kill at all times, regardless of the scum ability. It has nothing to do with the ability being a Fruit Vendor. (I'm just basing it on reading the role PMs, though, so correct me if I'm mistaken.)

If anything, the existence of that game makes Mafia Fruit Vendor somewhat more likely IMO because Reck was apparently one of the alts in that game (EDIT: though it looks like Reck was town and the mafia FV didn't flip until January 2013, so that moderates that some).

[Magua]

You think that he lowered the lynch threshold as many of us were ready to lynch him over DW?

A Dreaming God has little-to-no control over what they do. SPB was, at least at some point, a Dreaming God from flip. DV was always a Dreaming God. As a Dreaming God, they don't get to say, "Whelp, I'd like to lower the lynch threshold," they just pick from a list of (mostly meaningless) names -- DV's was a list of song titles, for instance, and then the effect goes.

The Fruit Vendor still has a function in that it clears Zoidberg of any other mafia night-functions (e.g., he couldn't have been the roleblocker). But it's irrelevant if there's a strong precedent for Fruit Vendor getting special treatment. I'll check out the Author mafia game you mention.

From Author (postgame; Kuribo was the Mafia Fruit Vendor in question):

According to UT's comments in the Mafia A QT, they could do both if they were the last one left.

Except as Fruit Vendor, since as UT told me, the whole point of fruit vendor is to be able to say "I couldn't possibly have made the kill because I sent fruit." And indeed, my role PM makes no mention of being able to action and kill as last scum standing. When I asked UT about this, I was told that for balance reasons, no, the fruit vendor could not kill and action. I tend to agree with this decision, we just had a run of bad luck and awesome town play.

Though really, I don't actually give much of a fuck. I don't think Zoidberg is Mafia even without taking his role into account at this point, and I really, really, really, really think that vollkan is, so.

Will respond to dramonic re: trollie tonight.

[TheTrollie]

What is a

mod

mason?

apologies for being totally useless today.

My schedule got exceedingly busy last friday, and before that I literally had nothing but free time to spend on MS.

I want to try to do some work on this game tonight. If someone has something in particular that they want me to look at let me know.

[DrippingGoofball]

SPB was, at least at some point, a Dreaming God from flip

What? He was a JOAT.

[DrippingGoofball]

Oh I see... he was a traitor that joined the scum team and was "demoted" to JOAT?

I think I'm beginning to see Maguasscum as a possibility.

[DrippingGoofball]

Which means that SPB didn't join until when...

[DrippingGoofball]

@ vollkan

Remind me please what day your vote was taken away.

[DrippingGoofball]

Possible missing kills:
Night 1 and Night

(if the Traitor recruiting mechanism is that the mafia tries to kill the Traitor)

Chances are, SPB was JOAT by the time the lynch threshold was lowered.

@ Trollie : did you have anything to do with the lynch threshold and the vollkan vote?

[DrippingGoofball]

vote

Was this confirmed?

[Magua]

One of SPB's powers could've joined him to the scumteam. But, seriously, with a Dreaming God (much less two), "Explain how this effect happened" is pointless and inconclusive -- it just generates noise without signal. The real crux is that no one has claimed doing it, and no one has claimed having it done to them, so chances of it being a 1-shot thing, regardless of source, are incredibly high. Or that vollkan is lying.

[Iecerint]

vote

Was this confirmed?

It looks like Trollie only has the extra vote in the VC a few posts before the dram quote. All the other VCs D4 have him as not voting, though.

Any error in that VC should probably be corrected

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[DrippingGoofball]

The real crux is that no one has claimed doing it, and no one has claimed having it done to them

We don't know yet if no one claims doing it, vollkan has claimed having it done to him, and we know the lynch threshold was lowered.

[TheTrollie]

oh, fuck. did not see all this vote speculation before my last post.

I caused volkan to lose his vote.

[dramonic]

*cricket*
... Are you gonna give your reasoning for doing that or...?

[Iecerint]

Did you also have an extra vote on D4 (re: that dram post DGB quoted)?