The Wire, Season 1 - Final Credits!

[Zdenek]

#688 is a really awful post. Most of it just regurgitating what other people have already said and the rest is just hedging nonsense.

What part is nonsense?

[Benmage]

Been able to skim some at work... Little behind in actual reading.

TGAH is looking worse...

TGAH -- according to 125 / 141, both your heads have (had?) a town-read on Dayne. How and why did you come to this read?

the terrible attempted wagon on him for the rp. easy target is easy. didn't i already say this?

You already said this and I already said it wasn't a town-tell. The mere fact people are voting for a player for bad reasons doesn't mean that player is town. Sometimes people will vote for scum for stupid reasons. "Easy targets" (not that SAD is one) can be scum. That's all perfectly obvious, isn't it?

I like this point. TGAH looks like he's trying to write someone off as town on weak reasoning. Whats the word I'm looking for??? Buddying.

Otherwise, yeah. As with absta, our issue is essentally that they are playing things too safe and trying to avoid attention. Posts like:

I’m going to catch up with everything, hopefully, before I head out to work today. If there is anything that people would specifically like me to address please let me know.

feel like attempts to not have to create their own content. (It's much easier to respond to points others give you than it is to attempt to forge ahead in a vacuum.)

QFT, a lot easier for scum to respond to questions, than genuinely engage and question others.


Also games 31 pages now.... D1.... Need to start compromising on wagons. (Hint Hint Mcstab/Zdenek or Petapan/ActionDan)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Unvote
Vote: Jason

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Dan > Zdenek btw.

[Zachrulez]

Also games 31 pages now.... D1.... Need to start compromising on wagons. (Hint Hint Mcstab/Zdenek or Petapan/ActionDan)

We'll end up on Zdenek if we need to compromise, but not ready to do that yet.

More confident in TGAH than any other lynch.

[sottyrulez]

Blegh...

Also games 31 pages now.... D1.... Need to start compromising on wagons. (Hint Hint Mcstab/Zdenek or Petapan/ActionDan)

We'll end up on Zdenek if we need to compromise, but not ready to do that yet.

More confident in TGAH than any other lynch.

[Cerulean]

What part is nonsense?

For example, the petapan/SafetyDance stuff. Nowhere in your ISO do you go into what your concerns with SD are, so that whole "petapan is scummy for [insert Benmage's reasons here] but so is SD for [undisclosed reasons]" just reads like you're using it as an excuse to push one wagon but shift to the other if the opportunity arises.

[The Mini-Librarian]

[re: camn]She's voting McStab for doing something that she's done twice. The other one is her Ooooh, Big Man post, where she doesn't explain anything. It's scummy, first of all, because using bs cases to try push a lynch is scummy, and secondly, because of the cognitive dissonance involved in voting someone for something that you do yourself. Now, okay, people have different takes on things, and that's fine, but she doesn't even comment when I point out that she's done exactly the thing that she's voting me for, which is something that I don't see coming from town who's trying to get me lynched.

:/

Yeah, none of those are legitimate reasons to think someone's scum.

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ML -- can you explain your town-read on McStab? (From 197). What about 160 made you think McStab was town? And (since you don't list him as a town-read in your next-but-one post, 307) why did he stop being a town-read?

Also, did you find BT's implict suggestion that your 390 was scummy to be suspicious, or just strange? What are your current thoughts on that slot? (I don't think you ever mentioned Vifam, did you?)

Re: Mcstab - I think I had a town read on 160 because of the case on nost (felt like he was at least trying). I tend to be overly cautious giving out town reads on lists like 307 so he came off. That one post wasn't enough to put him the list.

Re: BT - I tend to work off people's suspicion on my slot, so I found his suggestion to be strange possibly suspicious. After the fact, I find his suspicion to be bad but not something to vote for. (so basically the slightest of scum leans on this slot.

[Zdenek]

What part is nonsense?

For example, the petapan/SafetyDance stuff. Nowhere in your ISO do you go into what your concerns with SD are, so that whole "petapan is scummy for [insert Benmage's reasons here] but so is SD for [undisclosed reasons]" just reads like you're using it as an excuse to push one wagon but shift to the other if the opportunity arises.

People have been over and over the issues with SafetyDance, and I didn't see the need to repeat them. I thought they were pretty clear - him spending so much time justifying his vote on a null read rather than voting someone who he thinks is scummy spring to mind immediately - I can go back to find other things too. I think that these are legit reasons to be suspicious of SD. On the other hand, my general feeling about SafetyDance is that he's probably not scum, this is mostly gut, posts like the one where he was frustrated with Absta read as genuine, so I think there's a good chance that he's town.

So I have mixed feelings about how to view the people pushing his wagon. On the one hand, I don't think that they are just inventing reasons to be suspicious of him, but I also don't think they're attacking someone who's scum, and on top of that, I am sure that SafetyDance, if town, would be an easy place for scum to place a vote.

[jasonT1981]

People have been over and over the issues with SafetyDance, and I didn't see the need to repeat them

but yet you were happy to re-bring up issues about me we had been over and over and happy to repeat them.

[Zdenek]

People have been over and over the issues with SafetyDance, and I didn't see the need to repeat them

but yet you were happy to re-bring up issues about me we had been over and over and happy to repeat them.

Yep. I think it's more important to justify why I think that someone is scum, than why I think that someone who I think is probably town could be scum.

[Benmage]

@SAD

Why did you vote/unvote Plessie... and what's your current read?

[Benmage]

^I read the exchange, which read more as commentary, so maybe just a summary.

[The Baltimore Sun]

Day 1, Votecount 30

Shadoweh (1) - Baby Spice

JasonT1981 (5) - Cerulean, BT, TheGreatestAmericanHero, Zdenek, Ser Arthur Dayne

SafetyDance (1) - ChannelDelibird
ActionDan (2) - The Mini-Librarian, SafetyDance

Zdenek (5) - Plessiezarus, camn, Nostredeus, DeasVail, Benmage

absta101 (1) - Shadoweh
camn (1) - absta101
TheGreatestAmericanHero (2) - sottyrulez. ActionDan

Not voting (1):

JasonT1981

• With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 6th of February at 5:30pm GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-02-06 13:30:28)
  
• CDB and SafetyDance are V/LA.

[DeasVail]

Zdenek, the part about McStab being too sure of Nost-scum is a very small part of my read and was mostly only something to start off with before getting a better read later. I will say everything I think of McStab.

First there is the thing you mentioned. His attack on Nost is really weak in my opinion, and I have a hard time believing that anyone would think it was really strong reasoning. However, from this he seems eager to lynch Nostredeus and suggest lynches if Nost is scum (which he knows won't happen because Nost is town, at least I think so).

Next, there is the fact that he doesn't seem at all interested in changing/improving his Nostredeus read. He appears to pay no attention to the many people calling his suspicion of Nostredeus bad and townreading Nostredeus. Nothing in his posts is evident of reading Nostredeus' posts and actually trying to make sure his previous scumread is correct.

The above is all slightly scummy to me, but is also consistent with town who are sure of their reads and don't back down. So, him changing his vote from Nostredeus to SafetyDance for the more viable wagon instead of making much attempt to gather more Nostredeus supporters (there's no sign that he even wants them) and it's not near deadline at that point either, so this is inconsistent with his earlier 'certainty' that Nostredeus is scum and his lack of concern for the townreads.

I found myself agreeing with what others said regarding McStab. Nothing else I considered really strong, but they were little things that contribute to the read.

Also, I'm explaining this read the most, because he's currently the one I want lynched. There is no real need to explain the others so much.

Oh, I almost forgot to say, but the TGAH read was mostly based on Plessie's post about him with my own not very positive impression of him contributing slightly.

~~

Regarding wagons:

I don't want to lynch Jason for now because of Sotty's townread.
Zdenek is my preferred at the moment.
I would also consider TGAH/ActionDan

[Cerulean]

Bleh

UNVOTE:

We have four days to deadline.

People whose votes suck:

Absta

Camn's town. She's not getting lynched. Your points on her are weak and lame. Pick a new target. Who else is your scum read? Also, to answer your question in Post 725, that's called a finger of suspicion and was used to denote that McStab is our second strongest scum read.

BabySpice

Shadoweh's town. She's not getting lynched. Do something better with your vote. Who are your scum reads? What did you learn from your pet first wagon theory? Are you playing this game?


I *think* our vote will be going on Zdenek, but still haven't had too much time to talk to Empire. He said last night he didn't like Zdenek's contribution, but that was made clear today, and we had a scum read on McStab and Pless made a good case on him. He said that he'd be willing to vote Zdenek if not Jason, but didn't say he wanted to move. I figured he'd move the vote today when he posted if he wanted it moved, but he didn't so now I'm However, I think that Jason looked a bit more townish in the conversation with Zdenek, and it looked to me like Zdenek was kinda bullying Jason into not voting him. I left him a couple notes about this but he didn't respond so I don't know if he feels the same way.

Anyway I'm unvoting Jason because I don't feel comfortable with our vote there anymore. Hopefully I'll get to talk to Empire more soon and he can give me his updated thoughts on Jason. If I don't get a solid opinion or agreement from Empire soon, I'll just vote. Most likely on Zdenek unless someone makes a kick ass case against someone else or zdenek starts doing the town chacha.

[ActionDan]

I think those voting Jason and Zdenek should consider TGAH more, since I don't think either of those wagons are on scum

[Zdenek]

Cerulean, what do you think of Jason who says that he has a town read on my slot accusing me of try to deflect attention back on to him by mentioning him in the middle of a post where I talk about a bunch of people?

[Plessiezarus]

Arthur:

If these are your thoughts on TGAH's #692:

This actually reads the same thing as Absta's "frustration". I really can't see how any person would be that "frustrated", and it's really just coming off as fake.

Like I'm sorry but town people don't just go "fuck this game. It makes me soooo angry *hulk*" for little reasons like that <___<

why aren't you voting for them?

~ Zar.

[The Baltimore Sun]

Baby Spice has requested replacement.

Edit: Kise replaces Baby Spice!

[The Mini-Librarian]

VOTE: zdenek

[Zdenek]

Why?

[The Mini-Librarian]

Deadline compromise lynch.

(If you want to know why specifically I find you to be scummy, it's because I don't like your reactions to people voting you.)

[Zdenek]

Do you want me to claim?

[Zdenek]

Which people did you not like my reactions to?