Mini 1420: The Beginning Of The End (Game Over)

[JasonWazza]

VOTE COUNT 1.3

[2] Elleran: Dannflor, Jennifer,
[2] TheTrollie: Elleran, Kthxbye,
[2] Jennifer: Rondar, DeathRowKitty,
[1] Joelsdaman: goodmorning,
[1] Slandaar: Om,
[1] Om: Slandaar,
[1] DeatjhRowKitty: q21,

Not Voting: Ztife, joelsdaman, TheTrollie

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2013-02-15 14:08:45)

Those who haven't posted/Confirmed will be prodded in 24 hours

Also as a mod note if i do put in any flavor for Lynch/Night scenes, the flavor has no actual bearing on the game it's just there to look awesome

[Slandaar]

To get your participation and get read off you since you two have played with each other before, maybe? I do that with people I've played with as well.

The very fact that you go and overreact to it by asking 'why'

on RVS stage raises my eyebrow.

OK so Om is saying; there is a reason, I ask for it, but apparently asking someone why is overreacting.

In case its not obvious the main reason I was questioning Dann hard is because;

VOTE: Slaandar He's always scum.

Which when our games are 1 town 1 scum is just wrong and so I wanted to engage him.

What Om has failed to mention though is the fact Dann did not give the answer he is suggesting and more fumbled about which should have interested him if he were town.

Ask yourself that, you sure as hell posted something worth whenever you received vote. Hell; your ISO has posts only replying to votes on you, except your 53. Which is practically consist of random useless questions. And yes, they are till I see what's their point.

I posted something when I saw game had started and then the next morning which is a whole 8 Hours after your post so nice try; especially when game has been running less than 24 hours.

Now you can explain it without trying to divert.

It is and

that is what

fake scumhunting looks like.

I say; its not random
Om; IT IS IT IS!!!

If Om were town he would have asked the point not just reply with this nonsense.

Here let me explain it; GM's first post comes off as excited lots of jokeyness not taking things too serious it can also be seen as nervousness, now this can be for many reasons, I was looking at why.

What were the questions for; short version: the fact is her favourite alignment and why she likes it can play a huge part in excited and nervousness hence the questions.

I have not completely decided on which it is yet.

Argue that isn't scumhunting Om.

Nice OMIGUS btw.

Good argument. Trying to use a buzzword to discredit me.

I can't see anything in what hes saying its all just nonsense overreacting is his main argument? I overreact by saying 'why?' ? that is his argument? yet he was so strongly worded in his vote. If he argued I hadn't commented on major wagons that would have been one thing instead his case is I was scumhunting.

Ftr; Neither Om or I has posted about the major wagons.

He is scum. Lynch him.

[Om]

OK so Om is saying; there is a reason, I ask for it, but apparently asking someone why is overreacting.

In case its not obvious the main reason I was questioning Dann hard is because;

Yes, attacking him the way you did for his RVS vote on you is overreacting.

Which when our games are 1 town 1 scum is just wrong and so I wanted to engage him.

What Om has failed to mention though is the fact Dann did not give the answer he is suggesting and more fumbled about which should have interested him if he were town.

I would've been more surprised if he actually did reply to you on those. It was a RVS vote. Something similar to what I did to Trollie and I wouldn't be answering if he actually questioned me for accusing him of using underhanded plan. That's just

I posted something when I saw game had started and then the next morning which is a whole 8 Hours after your post so nice try; especially when game has been running less than 24 hours.

And you completely avoided to say anything about major wagon (trollie one) before your 53 and went after GM for what? Joking?

I say; its not random
Om; IT IS IT IS!!!

If Om were town he would have asked the point not just reply with this nonsense.

Here let me explain it; GM's first post comes off as excited lots of jokeyness not taking things too serious it can also be seen as nervousness, now this can be for many reasons, I was looking at why.

What were the questions for; short version: the fact is her favourite alignment and why she likes it can play a huge part in excited and nervousness hence the questions.

I have not completely decided on which it is yet.

Argue that isn't scumhunting Om.

Looks like you haven't played with GM yet. And, no it still isn't scumhunt. Tell me how her answers helps you get anything regarding her alignment, because it seriously doesn't.

Ftr; Neither Om or I has posted about the major wagons.

Before voting you I was leading the major wagon, so I'm not sure what you want me to comment on as I find you scummy enough to get all of my attention so far. This does prove my earlier point about you not commenting on anything else except votes on you.

And OMIGUS is OMIGUS whether you like it or not, and good lord, your typing hurts my ears.

[Jennifer]

So... @Jen: not responding decisively to two votes on you isn't helping your case, sorry to say. Scum found

I'll let you guess what my response to your vote is.
I did respond to those who brought up reasons they thought I was acting scummy.
@Rondar Also, Joel has a vote on him and posted after without responding to it. What do you make of that? (And Trollie, but I'm excluding him because his post was that he isn't yet ready to engage in the game)


Re Om/Slaandar debate
Slaandar reads town to me. Her question to Goodmorning came across as scumhunting to me and I don't see her post asking 'Why?' to Daan's desire to have Slaandar post as overreacting. Om's being aggressive on Slaandar arguing things that to me don't make Slaandar scummy.

@Slaandar What do/did you think of the people on the Trollie wagon?
@Om What do you think about the train on Elleran?

[DeathRowKitty]

@DRK Do you buy Elleran's convoluted excuses versus reason explanation?

I don't see why it would be more likely to come from scum. He first brought up the excuses thing here, in response to an accusation that he was looking for an excuse for his RVS vote. Now, I'm just gonna throw this out there - it's somewhat ridiculous to think that someone was "looking for an excuse" to join a page 1 RVS wagon on someone that hadn't posted (oh noes, I just broke my own rule about using that term, pls lynch me with lots and lots of rope) in any sort of serious way. Elleran's subsequent responses indicate a perhaps not particularly healthy mindset for that stage of the game, but I absolutely believe that, regardless of his alignment, he actually believes what he posted about it. I suspect you're getting too caught up in the word "excuse", when he almost certainly only chose that word because Dannyflower used it first.

I don't particularly like the way DRK came in and almost seemed to be advocating for Rondar either. DRK did eventually give some explanation for voting Jennifer, but only after being asked a few times and playing stupid question stupid answer, which seems at odds with DRK's assertion that her (or his, I dunno) Jenn vote was serious - for all the there is a sliver (no more) of validity to DRK's eventually given reasons.Reads like scumbuddies, or scum buddying up to a townie. Either way the impression I get out of that exchange is that DRK is scummy.Getting board of my Elleran vote.UnvoteVOTE: DeathRowKitty

Hello, there. I would just like you to know that we will NOT be friends if you think there's something wrong with not always giving reasoning up-front. It's a shame because I was really hoping to make some friends this game. I wanted to build a snowman.

This game. Just... this game.Om, Why voting Slandaar? Rondar has posted little as well, as have I and joels and Trollie.Man, I have some questions I'll try to get to this evening.

I just want you to know that you seem like a very reasonable person with very reasonable things to say and I very much look forward to hearing what you have to say. Can we be townbuddies?



ps Om, this is a game and I think you should be happy and ----> calm <---- instead of angry. Please? :3

[DeathRowKitty]

Hey, Jennifer, are you around? If so, we should have a nice chat about the current goings-on.

[Om]

@Om What do you think about the train on Elleran?

I concur with Dannflors 87. Ellerans theory talk somehow didn't really came out as scummy but his 92 was bit off. Although, so was your jump on him for jumping on Trollie. I think Slandaar is the right way to go compared to both the other wagons present.

[DeathRowKitty]

What about Dannyflower's post do you agree with?

[Dannflor]

It should. Because I'm seriously not liking whatever you've posted so far and it reeks scummy.

I'm pretty sure that's Slaandar's playstyle.

Because that last post was a pile of fail.


[This post was intended for 2:28 am (GMT + 2) 2/2/2013. Power went out just as I was about to post this:]
Yeah, I just reskimmed your ISO [

@Dannflor

]. The sort of towny things are generic enough to be easily faked, and nothing is particularly scummy. To be honest, I'm kind of surprised that I'm having this much trouble getting anything with your amount of contribution compared to the others.
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But since then, honestly, your scumread of Elleran has set me off. I know he's different, weird even, but in a strikingly towny way, imo.

I think he is genuinely enjoying having theory discussions, and I feel that he kind of wants to apply the theory to help the town? Does that make sense? In addition, reading his last page just gave me a town vibe

I think Elleran's posts can interpreted several different ways. I just can't see how you can go into game, with a town role, and think "hmmm... I want to vote xxx, I know! I'll use excuse yyy to do it!". This among other things, is why Elleran is my top scum read. Now "top" doesn't mean ultra scummy. Not everyone has posted and it's still very early in the game, Elleran is simply the scummiest person I've seen, aside from perhaps Jenn.

Elleran. I don't want any of your stupid excuse argument. I just want a straight answer. Why did you turn around and decide The Trollie was a better target than q21? If I'm not mistaken you were beating him is Mathia... I don't understand how MrFrog could have changed your mind so easily.

If you haven't noticed from all my brilliant posts, it was a complete random change for no good reason at all. I'm honestly getting bored from all of this grilling about changing my vote to Trollie on the first page of the game.

Why did you decide to make a completely random change? Why onto Trollie? Your RVS (sorry) vote was fat and happy where it was. I just don't understand the motivation behind your actions.

OK so Om is saying; there is a reason, I ask for it, but apparently asking someone why is overreacting.

In case its not obvious the main reason I was questioning Dann hard is because;

Yes, attacking him the way you did for his RVS vote on you is overreacting.

Om, in the RVS stage you kind of HAVE to overreact about EVERYTHING, it's one of those things that can help drive the game out of RVS. eg: Mathia.

I voted him, he saw an opportunity to question me, if that had led to something, it might have gotten the game out of RVS. Slaandar is actually reading null-town for me right now, not so sure about Om.

Short read list: I got townish vibes from the few posts joel made.

Slaandar is leaning town, simply because of his reaction to Om, it seemed less scummy and more just his regular playstyle.

Jenn-null-slightly leaning scum- I've discussed this already.

Elleran-null slightly leaning scum- There is not much reason for me not to switch my vote over to Jenn. In my eyes they are both equally scummy, and my vote is already on Elleran, so it will stay there.

[Om]

What about Dannyflower's post do you agree with?

Ellerans theory talk somehow didn't really came out as scummy

so was your jump on him for jumping on Trollie.

Right now I don't think one of Jenn or Elleran is scummier than the other. I find them both scummy in their respective ways,

[Om]

I'm pretty sure that's Slaandar's playstyle.

Slaandar is leaning town, simply because of his reaction to Om, it seemed less scummy and more just his regular playstyle

Never played with him before so that's something new for me; I'll give his other games read and then have a another look at it. I personally found it as someone who was caught on the wrong foot and accused everyone who voted him to be scum. I probably need to calm down little as well.

[DeathRowKitty]

See, it took me a good couple minutes to decipher the post you just made (pre-post edit: the post you made before the post you just made) because I read the first two pieces of your post that you quoted, looked back at Danflower's 87, wondered what the fajitas you were smoking that made you see those things in his post 87 and got super-jealous of it, then read the third quote, thought for like 30 seconds that you were adding that to what you believed, and only then realized you meant that you agreed with a single statement in Danflower's 87 and expected anyone to realize that.

[DeathRowKitty]

It reminds me of aniperv really. He has this really stupid habit of responding to things people say by quoting something with no explanation that the person clearly read and deemed irrelevant.

[Om]

I'm not person with many words and you clearly need to smoke those fajita's as well

[DeathRowKitty]

Meow~

[Om]

Meow~

[Slandaar]

Yes, attacking him the way you did for his RVS vote on you is overreacting.

Dann basically lied in his post, I am obviously not going to just ignore that which is the only reaction Om thinks is town?

Does not compute.

I would've been more surprised if he actually did reply to you on those. It was a RVS vote. Something similar to what I did to Trollie and I wouldn't be answering if he actually questioned me for accusing him of using underhanded plan. That's just

What? He did reply.

The difference here is his vote on me made no sense it is a pure contradiction to meta the vote on om however wasn't.

And you completely avoided to say anything about major wagon (trollie one) before your 53 and went after GM for what? Joking?

Ignoring the GM stuff; What did you expect me to say about a Trollie wagon with no reasoning behind it?

Looks like you haven't played with GM yet. And, no it still isn't scumhunt. Tell me how her answers helps you get anything regarding her alignment, because it seriously doesn't.

What basis do you have to suggest I am wrong?

Explain to me this; if her post is nervous how does that not point to scum?

I won't go further because there is no need, you are just making stuff up you obviously have no basis behind what you say.

Before voting you I was leading the major wagon, so I'm not sure what you want me to comment on as I find you scummy enough to get all of my attention so far.

Leading the Major wagon is a stretch to say the least; You voted randomly and came back to it being the leading wagon.

This does prove my earlier point about you not commenting on anything else except votes on you.

Well there is 53 as you said. 'He didn't except here where he did...'

[Dannflor]

Dann basically lied in his post, I am obviously not going to just ignore that which is the only reaction Om thinks is town?

My RVS "excuse" to vote you was simply based off the fact that my most memorable game was with you as scum, and I've observed a lot of games with you as scum in it. That's it. I didn't mean to lie persay.

[Slandaar]

I feel so calm now

Elleran is probably scum; town don't look for excuses (or reasons) to vote people.

[Om]

Ignoring the GM stuff; What did you expect me to say about a Trollie wagon with no reasoning behind it?

I was expecting at least spare comment on Elleran hope on Troli wagon or Jenifer jumping on Elleran one (not to mention the theory discussion on that page). It was really odd that all that went unnoticed and the way your attack came in (I'm going to assume that's your play and move on for now) the only other thing was GM questions for joking.
P-edite: Which you did in your 118

What basis do you have to suggest I am wrong?

It's my general mindset that questions like that don't help to get you anything alignment related; on the other hand; the one who asks them is usually scum (from personal experience from my first game on this site where I was scum and I did that lot as well as my partner). I can't help with that if I ended up attacking you for that as I see that as something scum do.

Explain to me this; if her post is nervous how does that not point to scum?

My basis was that I've already done meta check on her due to our other game we are sharing, and her overall play is like that. Joking or semi-nervous-retarded at best short replies to avoid WIFOM regardless of her alignment. Meaning; those questions wont help much even if they were genuine attempt to scum-hunt/reaction-fishing from your POV.

You add all that and you can see where I was coming from with my strong scumread on you.

Now that things are calmed and back to normallicy

Unvote

[DeathRowKitty]

Does that mean you no longer think Slanderer is scum?

[Dannflor]

Om, your entire post compromises your unvote. You say Slaandar is your top scum read, then why the hell did you unvote him?

[q21]

I don't particularly like the way DRK came in and almost seemed to be advocating for Rondar either. DRK did eventually give some explanation for voting Jennifer, but only after being asked a few times and playing stupid question stupid answer, which seems at odds with DRK's assertion that her (or his, I dunno) Jenn vote was serious - for all the there is a sliver (no more) of validity to DRK's eventually given reasons.Reads like scumbuddies, or scum buddying up to a townie. Either way the impression I get out of that exchange is that DRK is scummy.Getting board of my Elleran vote.UnvoteVOTE: DeathRowKitty

Hello, there. I would just like you to know that we will NOT be friends if you think there's something wrong with not always giving reasoning up-front. It's a shame because I was really hoping to make some friends this game. I wanted to build a snowman.

No, it appears we aren't going to be friends if you aren't willing to explain yourself, but thats okay, I don't like being friends with scum anyway. Also, how do you plan to build a snowman in the midde of summer?

This game. Just... this game.Om, Why voting Slandaar? Rondar has posted little as well, as have I and joels and Trollie.Man, I have some questions I'll try to get to this evening.

I just want you to know that you seem like a very reasonable person with very reasonable things to say and I very much look forward to hearing what you have to say. Can we be townbuddies?

I have no idea where you get reasonable person with reasonable things to say off of GM's posting? Her posting has primarily seemed scattered and disjoint and largely lacking in reasoning. This comment is buddying and nothing else, which smells a little off to me.


My feelings on the Om v Slandaar thing are somewhat mixed. In terms of pure content I thing Slandaar's coming out townier and Om's unvote does look a little like whipped scum. The thing that's confusing me is the tone of their posting. Om has been consistently addressed directly at Slandaar. Slandaar's, on the other hand, has alternated between being directed at Om and being addressed to the town in general which comes of as him being more interested in the towns view of the confrontation that the confrontation itself.
My reads here are that either Om is scum and Slandaar town OR Om is inept town and Slandaar scum. Either way I do feel that one of them is scum (leaning towards OM, but not sure), it doesn't feel like town on town (gut feel here, but meh) and it doesn't look like bussing. They should both be watched further to distinguish which is what.

[Om]

Does that mean you no longer think Slanderer is scum?

Om, your entire post compromises your unvote. You say Slaandar is your top scum read, then why the hell did you unvote him?

Emphasis on

was

and I'm feeling lot better about him now due to whole exchange. No point in continuing the argument when I'm being told by multiple people that I'm wrong. Tunneling any further would be anti-town. I guess, that makes me look bad but I would rather put pause to the argument for now, at least till I'm trough with reading his couple of games.

[q21]

There should be a "timeously" after the "explain yourself" in the first paragraph of my last post. Sorry.