Mini 1420: The Beginning Of The End (Game Over)

[Slandaar]

Thinking re Om he was too strong in his initial vote with very little to no reason for such confidence.

[Elleran]

@Slandaar

: Town looks for reasons to vote. Here's my logic:
1) Town looks for scum.
2) To vote on the supposed-scum, town formulates an argument.
3) For the argument to be valid, it must be grounded upon an evidence and reason.
4) Without reason, the vote is invalid.
Therefore, town is looking for reasons. No exceptions.

Even scum must look for reasons:
1) Scum tries to frame a townie.
2) To vote on the townie, scum must formulate an argument.
3) For the argument to be valid, it must be grounded upon an evidence and reason.
4) Without reason, the vote is invalid.

@Jennifer

: Here are my reasons:
1) You voted just as rapidly between two people as I have. I have admitted to having switched for no good reason yet you continue to vote on me. You do not recognize any hypocrisy in continuing to vote on me.
2) You blew up the argument regarding my diction and continue to press the point as if it has any meaning.
3) You keep your vote on me despite seeing all the chatter about Slandaar vs Om. In fact, you only posted once regarding it at all (post 103). Are you saying that you find my opinioin on excuse vs reason to be more of a compelling reason to vote me than Om or Slandaar? Can you explain why?
4) Like I said, you followed DannFlor initially and voted me. (do you disagree?) Now that Dann dropped his vote on me, are you going to follow him again, or are you going to finally add something to your argument against me?

Another thing --

Literally

, your entire case against me is based on my opinion on excuse vs reason. You still haven't answered me whether I'm wrong about this point. Stop sidestepping and answer me please. If you don't have anything else, I would like to suggest that you use your vote on someone you have a more solid read on.

@q21

: Well, I personally had a bad time being cornered before. I was a VT in that game and something about being cornered made the situation unmanageable. In that situation, I felt like because there was so many cases and speculations about why I was scum that nothing I could say was going to convince anyone. In other words, being cornered is a self-fulfilling prophecy because it's like choking someone until he runs out of oxygen and begins failing to think straight.

@Dannflor

: I'm a guy, dude. Look at my gender. (This happens almost every game, so I'm not surprised lol)

[Kthxbye]

7 pages? Really?! Sigh, I'll get to this game when I can.

[Dannflor]

I'll respond to you, DRK. I'm frustrated with Dannflor at the moment because he refuses to read my posts. So until he shows that he's actually reads what I write (hint: I expressly gave my opinion on Slaandar) I'm not writing more.

I'm reading your posts, I just wanted to see how you would react to a load of questions.

[Dannflor]

I would laugh if scum are just letting town rip itself apart and are among the people who have either posted very little or not at all.

Oh and Elleran, sorry, about the gender confusion.

[q21]

@q21

: Well, I personally had a bad time being cornered before. I was a VT in that game and something about being cornered made the situation unmanageable. In that situation, I felt like because there was so many cases and speculations about why I was scum that nothing I could say was going to convince anyone. In other words, being cornered is a self-fulfilling prophecy because it's like choking someone until he runs out of oxygen and begins failing to think straight.

I would appreciate a link to said game so I may judge the situation in context - however, being halfhearted about a vote is still scummy, regardless of past experiences.

[JasonWazza]

VOTE COUNT 1.4

[3] Jennifer: Rondar, DeathRowKitty, Elleran,
[1] Elleran: Jennifer,
[1] TheTrollie: Kthxbye,
[1] Joelsdaman: goodmorning,
[1] Om: Slandaar,
[1] DeatjhRowKitty: q21,

Not Voting: Ztife, joelsdaman, TheTrollie, Om, Dannflor,

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2013-02-15 14:08:45)

Keep up the speed in this game guys

[Elleran]

@q21

: Here's the link to the said game: Game in which I am cornered and begin to fail at explaining myself
It's easier to see my mistakes when you put me on ISO.

I also didn't vote Jennifer half-heartedly. All votes are equal. I threw in my vote in an attempt to make Jenn talk. If she answers me with satisfactory answers, I'll take it off. If she doesn't, then I'll keep it until she's lynched. I expect every vote to have consequences and I'll accept them if I end up making a bad call.

[Dannflor]

If she answers me with satisfactory answers, I'll take it off. If she doesn't

This sounds like a similar mindset that Jenn had when she was questioning me. She simply used her vote as a bit a pressure while questioning.

[Elleran]

If she answers me with satisfactory answers, I'll take it off. If she doesn't

This sounds like a similar mindset that Jenn had when she was questioning me. She simply used her vote as a bit a pressure while questioning.

You mean similar to this?:

Hey, all.

VOTE: Dannflor

@Dannflor Why are you avoiding the Trollie wagon? And why did you keep your vote on Slaandar when questioning Elleran for defending Trollie?

Mainly because I want Slaandar to post. Also, his post "defending" Trollie seemed sarcastic at the time... However... His recent move onto Trollie is suspicious. Seems like he was just waiting for the excuse to vote Trollie. VOTE: Elleran

Fair enough.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Elleran

Either Jenn was convinced by your explanation or she wasn't planning on actually grilling you. Her vote moved on like it was a piece of paper in the wind. I suppose similar intent, but I don't think she was actually planning on following up with it at all.

[Dannflor]

That depends. You said you'd move your vote off is you got satisfactory answers. Perhaps Jenn thought she had a satisfactory answer.

[Elleran]

Let's assume that she received a satisfactory answer and moved on. Let's ignore that it was RVS.

Next, she moved onto me because in your response, you managed to convince her that I was also worth voting on.

Ever since then, she's basically tunneled on me as hard as she could and ignored some of my questions aimed at her. Meanwhile, I responded to all of her questions directed at me. You're telling me that no matter how concisely and clearly I express my opinion on the definitions of some words that was brought up during an equally early stage of the game, Jenn has not been convinced that I have given her a satisfactory answer?

====

I think a better explanation is that her vote on you was a random vote while her vote on me was a serious one. Because her vote on you was so loose, we can assume that it wasn't a serious one and wasn't expecting much of a serious answer. She simply checked whether your explanation made some sort of sense then moved on. Why she changed vote to me may have been due to your explanation. Maybe it was a coincidence. Either way, her vote has been on me ever since for a reason that I believe is too insufficient for the effort she puts in to keep it on me.

[Dannflor]

Bolded text in quote is my response.

Ever since then, she's basically tunneled on me as hard as she could and ignored some of my questions aimed at her. Meanwhile, I responded to all of her questions directed at me. You're telling me that no matter how concisely and clearly I express my opinion on the definitions of some words that was brought up during an equally early stage of the game, Jenn has not been convinced that I have given her a satisfactory answer?

I unvoted you for just these reasons. I was literally voting you for nothing, that was wrong of me, I had a bit to much tunnel vision going on. Jenn just stated that the only reason she is voting you is over diction. That's bad scum hunting at the very least.

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I think a better explanation is that her vote on you was a random vote while her vote on me was a serious one. Because her vote on you was so loose, we can assume that it wasn't a serious one and wasn't expecting much of a serious answer. She simply checked whether your explanation made some sort of sense then moved on. Why she changed vote to me may have been due to your explanation. Maybe it was a coincidence. Either way, her vote has been on me ever since for a reason that I believe is too insufficient for the effort she puts in to keep it on me.

I agree, not sure whether Jenn is scummy yet or just has town tunnel vision. Tunnel vision doesn't always equal scum.

[Dannflor]

Sorry for the DP again, but I'm not going to vote anyone just yet. I want to see some more responses and posting by people who have yet to post. I feel that more could be done if the people who are still catching up or haven't posted at all would actually do something.

[goodmorning]

So I forgot all the questions I had.

Oh well

.
Surely I can think of more.

Looks like you haven't played with GM yet.

I have no idea if this is supposed to be a compliment or an insult.

What if it's both??? Ughh nooooo

I just want you to know that you seem like a very reasonable person with very reasonable things to say and I very much look forward to hearing what you have to say. Can we be townbuddies?

Yessssssssss

Wait wait wait. OH GOD, I FORGOT TO ASK.

Are you Town???

_{oh no i've just become buddies with the godfather help me}

Yeah, I can be a very reasonable person when I think of very reasonable things to say.
Sometimes it's more fun to introduce massive levity.

My basis was that I've already done meta check on her due to our other game we are sharing, and her overall play is like that. Joking or semi-nervous-retarded at best short replies to avoid WIFOM regardless of her alignment. Meaning; those questions wont help much even if they were genuine attempt to scum-hunt/reaction-fishing from your POV.

Oh
Oh no
Oh my god
Om.
Om, you didn't.

Om, you meta checked

that game

?

No wonder you think I'm an idiot. I mean, really.
Really.

I can't even blame you for anything, I was giggling the whole time I was writing all that shit like you wouldn't believe.


Well this post is a giant waste of space. (But a fun one, at least.)
Small reads thing:
I was liking Dan, but 139 is not as cool and froody.
Not the biggest fan of Jen's 140 either.
Slandaar and Om I'm leaning Town on, vague Town on Elleran. q21 kinda gives me a weird vibe but vibes don't really mean anything. joels is a decent place for a vote, he didn't really explain himself ever and that's not OK. DRK is like what? And Rondar is null.

[Om]

I'm not sure if I want to squish your cheeks to make poof or ankle lock you to make you tap out.

What do you find odd about Dan's 139 and Jens 140?

[Dannflor]

What do you find odd about Dan's 139

I'm guessing he didn't like my back off of Elleran. However I have my reasons, if I had continued tunneling I would not have been playing pro-town.

[Dannflor]

she*... sorry, please don't be offended if I mix up the genders.

[DeathRowKitty]

OH GOD, I FORGOT TO ASK. Are you Town???[...]Yeah, I can be a very reasonable person when I think of very reasonable things to say. Sometimes it's more fun to introduce massive levity.

I'm town. And you are too, or so it seems. I can't tell if you took my comment about you being reasonable to be sarcastic or not, but it was mostly serious - you say a lot of off-topic-y things, but you seem to have a decent sense of what's important when you're saying things that are relevant. I'm pretty good at posting lots of off-topic-y things when I want to so even if you don't want to be townbuddies, I'm sure we can work something out.


In other news

Unvote: Jennifer

Vote: Om

This wagon needs to happen. It would be practically criminal to let him get away with the most awkward jump-off-the-burning-ship unvote ever.

Early as it is to be talking about pairings, this probably means Jennifer and Om aren't scum together. Not worth dwelling on now, but if one of them dies and flips scum, it's definitely something to keep in mind.

[q21]

That Om vote is the first genuinely townie thing you've done, DRK. Lets see if its a turning of the corner or just an abberation.

Also, thanks for the link, Elleran, I'll give that a read later this afternoon.

[goodmorning]

What do you find odd about Dan's 139 and Jens 140?

139 isn't a bad post necessarily, it's just that back off was really... I don't want to say contrived, but something like that.
I do agree that continuing to tunnel would have been anti-Town.

140... Is that

really

the scummiest thing that's happened in this game so far? (This question is rhetorical.)

Yes, I dislike them for opposite reasons. The cognitive dissonance,

it burns

.

[JasonWazza]

Ztife has been proded (he has picked up his role PM which is why he won't be replaced straight off the bat)

[JasonWazza]

Is he bumping over a vote count?

[JasonWazza]

Yeah i think he is bumping over the vote count

[JasonWazza]

Yes he is certainly bumping over a vote count