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Post Post #3475 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:13 am

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@ zoraster


You claimed
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I read this in the Wiki:

It is debatable whether it is better to not claim Hated Townie. By not claiming you are opening yourself up to getting run up to L-1 and thus unexpectedly lynched; by claiming you are making yourself a policy lynch on the Day before LyLo.


Do you have an opinion?
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Post Post #3476 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:01 pm

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Trollie, explain your vollkan-town read based on "He claimed that someone took his vote when I took his vote."

Then tell me who you think is scum.
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Post Post #3477 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:31 pm

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i dont remmeber exactly ill look at the post again.

i thought DGB was town b/c of wyrd interactions but now that she is throwing shit at the wallz i might like her for a kynch
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Post Post #3478 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:44 pm

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DrippingGoofball wrote:
@ zoraster


You claimed
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I read this in the Wiki:

It is debatable whether it is better to not claim Hated Townie. By not claiming you are opening yourself up to getting run up to L-1 and thus unexpectedly lynched; by claiming you are making yourself a policy lynch on the Day before LyLo.


Do you have an opinion?


Sorry, I really have meant to get to this.

An opinion? considered it and rejected.
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Post Post #3479 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:56 pm

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Hey, zoraster, you know what would be faaaaabulous? Some idea of who you think is scum.
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Post Post #3480 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:58 pm

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Magua wrote:Hey, zoraster, you know what would be faaaaabulous? Some idea of who you think is scum.


He just said he'd like me for a lynch because I find him suspicious without saying the thinks I'm scum.
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Post Post #3481 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:59 pm

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DrippingGoofball wrote:
Magua wrote:Hey, zoraster, you know what would be faaaaabulous? Some idea of who you think is scum.


He just said he'd like me for a lynch because I find him suspicious without saying the thinks I'm scum.


EBWOP I thought you meant Trollie nevermind.

Speaking of zoraster I think we'll be OK as long as we don't have a 3-person end game on the horizon, is that correct?
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Post Post #3482 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:47 pm

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Post Post #3483 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:49 am

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Trollie is either scum or he has had absurdly bad luck with his target choices.
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Post Post #3484 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:12 am

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Thank you for narrowing down those choices, Iecerint.

Trollie's choices don't bother me nearly as much as his reaction to vollkan's reaction does. Or his reaction to DGB's antics today, given that yesterday he was fine to believe her with her guilty on Kawaii, then saw her drop all of that and focus on SPB, who did turn out to be scum, and yet today his only scumread is, "Guiz I don't really trust DGB."

Which doesn't bother me nearly as much as the fact that vollkan, dramonic, and zoraster all seem to have even less of a scumread on anyone. (I'll give a pass to vollkan, because he's scum, but still...)
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Post Post #3485 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:29 pm

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My point is that he is probably scum. The only real argument to the contrary I can see is "why would scum even claim this," but that's washed out for me by DGB's information crumbs.

Dram had been trying to get a wagon going on Trollie all day. I don't know much about vollkan or zora's reads, though.
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Post Post #3486 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:39 pm

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Post Post #3487 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:49 pm

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I am of the decided opinion that Trollie is a terrible lynch, because given that he's a confirmed vote stealer, even if he is Mafia or SK, the other faction will have to kill him or face insta-loss in lylo.

(Unless he's a BP-vote-stealing SK, which, I suppose is possible, but still...)
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Post Post #3488 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:12 pm

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why the FUCK have people allowed a wagon to grow on me while ive been away?

get those fucking votes off me are you all fucking insane?

1) isnt double voter like never a scum role
2) what the fuck is scummy about being a double voter
3) dont let the scumfucks pushing my wagon derail us from wherever we were headed today before my claim
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Post Post #3489 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:19 am

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Magua wrote:Hey, vollkan, a statement of who you actually think is scum would be faaaaaaabulous right about now.


Zoidberg: 53
Magua: 53
DGB: 60

All else at 50.

Needless to say, none of those suspicions is especially strong
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Post Post #3490 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:06 am

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Magua wrote:because given that he's a confirmed vote stealer, even if he is Mafia or SK, the other faction will have to kill him or face insta-loss in lylo.


Thing is, I don't believe that Trollie is just a vote-stealer. He might have had a one-shot vote steal. I think he's hiding something. The scum won't kill him if he's scum.
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Post Post #3491 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:16 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:
TheTrollie wrote:
N1: nothing
NOTHING

N2: nothing
NOTHING

N3: JacobSavage
DEAD GUY

N4: Vollkan
N5: Kawaii
DEAD GUY


That is most unfortunate.

I suspect whoever lowered the lynch threshold during DW vs. SPB is a player who is some kind of vote-JOAT.


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Post Post #3492 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:58 am

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TheTrollie wrote:why the FUCK have people allowed a wagon to grow on me while ive been away?

get those fucking votes off me are you all fucking insane?

1) isnt double voter like never a scum role
2) what the fuck is scummy about being a double voter
3) dont let the scumfucks pushing my wagon derail us from wherever we were headed today before my claim


Two votes is not "a wagon". Unless you're worried about a hidden double voter. But you're a hidden double voter, so...

1. I had it as a scum role in Paranoia Mafia.
2. What is scummy is your choice of targets; not seeing how you're missing this one, as it's repeated about a dozen times.
3. Where were we headed?

The third question's the important one, so if you could go ahead and tell me that that'd be great.

vollkan wrote:
Zoidberg: 53
Magua: 53
DGB: 60

All else at 50.

Needless to say, none of those suspicions is especially strong


I'm going to assume higher numbers are scummier. If so, fabulously well done on, at *Day 6*, standing up and saying, "Guiz, I've got no firm scumreads."

I mean, if you were town, I'd expect you to be doing shit, like trying to figure out who scum is. Thank you for making it so much easier for me by not doing anything like that.

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Thing is, I don't believe that Trollie is just a vote-stealer. He might have had a one-shot vote steal. I think he's hiding something. The scum won't kill him if he's scum.


If he has one-shot abilities, of which vote stealing is one, it makes no sense for him to have used it on vollkan D5, especially given vollkan's non-voting-nature D2-D4 to begin with. You save it for lylo, since it moves lylo up a Day early. But even that aside, assuming you believe there's two killing factions (Mafia/SK) that each have one member in them at this point, I don't think they can take the risk, and will need Trollie dead regardless of what they think his alignment is.
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Post Post #3493 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:27 am

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Magua wrote:If he has one-shot abilities, of which vote stealing is one, it makes no sense for him to have used it on vollkan D5


I'm pretty sure he lowered the lynch threshold and he's lying about things.

I'd hate to count on X-kills.

If a X-kill doesn't happen, we'll still have to lynch him so that's a very dangerous strategy. And whoever could X-kill Trollie knows this, and may choose a different target to force us to lynch Trollie instead of themselves the next day.
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Post Post #3494 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:20 am

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I see it differently.

We need to lynch him only if he's scum.

Scum need to kill him
regardless
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As for the lynch threshold reduction, you're saying he did this and then proceeded to not do anything about it? That other mafia did nothing about it? That they left it up to you to hammer? I'm just not seeing the damning motivation that you're seeing.
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Post Post #3495 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:48 am

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The scum team pretty much imploded, so I'm not looking for genius mastermind strategies here.

I'm pretty sure Trollie is a big liar. He's scum and we need to lynch him.
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Post Post #3496 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:51 am

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I'm almost certain he's lying, yes.

But I'm not seeing the scum motivation for the lies I think he's telling.
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Post Post #3497 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:52 am

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Magua wrote:I'm almost certain he's lying, yes.

But I'm not seeing the scum motivation for the lies I think he's telling.


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Post Post #3498 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:01 am

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You're not seeing it either. You're just ignoring that.

Now talk to me about vollkan, and why you're not voting him.
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Post Post #3499 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:04 am

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The only motivation to lie is being scum.
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