Mini 1420: The Beginning Of The End (Game Over)

[q21]

Trollie's wall covering only page 1 read like scum trying to act busy/useful while not providing anything of value. I started to reverse that read when he then posted walls on pages 3 and 4 (no clue why he left out page 2) because I thought that maybe that's just his playstyle/how he needs to process information, and we only had a handful of pages that he needed to catch up on. But, then he skipped walling the rest of the game, didn't even comment on Om/Slaandar discussion though it had been a focal point, and tries to steer the conversation to Jennifer/Elleran.

The mindset of someone who would wall Page 1 and try to discuss/find meaning in it doesn't match up with the mindset of someone who just jumps to their conclusion and ignores commenting on what else happened in game. It rings hollow and scummy to me.

I hadn't picked up on this facet of Trollie's posting (the analysis of a few pages and then sudden stop). Reverses my read on trollie to scum, this does.

[Elleran]

Trollie's wall covering only page 1 read like scum trying to act busy/useful while not providing anything of value. I started to reverse that read when he then posted walls on pages 3 and 4 (no clue why he left out page 2) because I thought that maybe that's just his playstyle/how he needs to process information, and we only had a handful of pages that he needed to catch up on. But, then he skipped walling the rest of the game, didn't even comment on Om/Slaandar discussion though it had been a focal point, and tries to steer the conversation to Jennifer/Elleran.

The mindset of someone who would wall Page 1 and try to discuss/find meaning in it doesn't match up with the mindset of someone who just jumps to their conclusion and ignores commenting on what else happened in game. It rings hollow and scummy to me.

That's a much more detailed analysis of a thought that I touched on in the second half of my post 250. I agree with this.

[TheTrollie]

Soo.... does ANYONE wanna say something about how being picky about when I post walls and when I do not is scummy?

Anyone?

[q21]

@ Trollie - You posted a few walls. Then you stopped and started posting short comments and a townlist. Its like you wanted to look like your were doing something of value, but then stopped when you realized how much effort if would take to keep that up. The amount of effort is more likely to be a problem when it's for a scum facade than for genuine town scumhunting.

[TheTrollie]

@ Trollie - You posted a few walls. Then you stopped and started posting short comments and a townlist. Its like you wanted to look like your were doing something of value, but then stopped when you realized how much effort if would take to keep that up. The amount of effort is more likely to be a problem when it's for a scum facade than for genuine town scumhunting.

so....i wanted to LOOK like I was doing something, therefore I only chose to comment on three pages in detail? I commented on what I felt deserved commenting on. {Elleran, Jennifer, Smash} guarantee at least 1 scum in there.

[TheTrollie]

Who do you think are the scums? I'm dying to know.

This is scum.

'You won't get it right nanananananana'

As opposed to asking Trollie for a list of everyone who he thinks is town? I don't think so. It's so much easier for scum to come up with a list of who he thinks is town than for a list of who he thinks is scum.

wow...slandaar is totally right here...fuck elleran ur driving me crazy

So are you. You come flying out of nowhere, post some very minimal stuff about your reads, claim I'm scum for no apparent reason, then make a whole list of who are the towniest. How is this something a townie would do? Looks like someone pretending to scumhunt while not giving any useful inputs. Your posts are blinding me with all the scumminess.

this is scum.

Here I will show this very simply;

1. When you are town, you look for reasons why someone is scum.
OR
2. When you are town you look for scum any reasoning just comes to you naturally.

Which do you think is correct?

The first shows exactly my viewpoint and the second shows exactly yours. You claim to 'naturally' get scummy feelings from random people while I'm saying that these feelings are actually from logical deductions. Tell me this, Slandaar: Can you get also get these feelings from anyone who has not posted in the beginning of the game? If the answer is no, then you're admitting to the need for actual posts and therefore evidence for any read (whether it be gut or logic).

besides the fact that hes practically claiming scum here, this is ALSO scum.

this is the party wagon. Hop on board if u like to party

[q21]

@ Trollie - You posted a few walls. Then you stopped and started posting short comments and a townlist. Its like you wanted to look like your were doing something of value, but then stopped when you realized how much effort if would take to keep that up. The amount of effort is more likely to be a problem when it's for a scum facade than for genuine town scumhunting.

so....i wanted to LOOK like I was doing something, therefore I only chose to comment on three pages in detail? I commented on what I felt deserved commenting on. {Elleran, Jennifer, Smash} guarantee at least 1 scum in there.

So nothing of interest has happened in the other 9 pages?

[TheTrollie]

i guess nothing worth me making a wall about...

[Jennifer]

So after to listening to back and forth, I've decided that the whole Elleran/Slaandar debate is really more about whether someone
uses sensing or intuition to make decisions [decide if someone is scum].

Both are valid worldviews thus making neither approach inherently scummy.

Also, Trollie is scum. People should vote him.

[Elleran]

@TheTrollie:

i guess nothing worth me making a wall about...

Or to comment about or to mention any reads about, apparently.

@ Trollie - You posted a few walls. Then you stopped and started posting short comments and a townlist. Its like you wanted to look like your were doing something of value, but then stopped when you realized how much effort if would take to keep that up. The amount of effort is more likely to be a problem when it's for a scum facade than for genuine town scumhunting.

so....i wanted to LOOK like I was doing something, therefore I only chose to comment on three pages in detail? I commented on what I felt deserved commenting on. {Elleran, Jennifer, Smash} guarantee at least 1 scum in there.

So instead of commenting on the other 7-8 pages of more serious exchanges between people, you focus on the first few pages of RVS. Furthermore, you claim that those are the only things that deserved getting comments on.

This post and everything else mentioned in your posts...

... wut?

[Elleran]

Sorry for the double post, but who is Smash?

[TheTrollie]

WOW...I am getting games very confused...sorry, i got confused cuz avatars were similar...i had no idea q21 was q21 until just now

[TheTrollie]

Mainly because I want Slaandar to post. Also, his post "defending" Trollie seemed sarcastic at the time... However... His recent move onto Trollie is suspicious. Seems like he was just waiting for the excuse to vote Trollie. VOTE: Elleran

Fair enough.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Elleran

@Elleran

Why did you cave to pressure to hop on the Trollie wagon?

Aren't we all looking excuses for everything?

No, we're looking for scum.

Hey, all.

VOTE: Dannflor

@Dannflor

Why are you avoiding the Trollie wagon?

And why did you keep your vote on Slaandar when questioning Elleran for defending Trollie?

Also, town points to Kitty Frog for loving town.
Scum points to Kitty Frog for loving scum.

this has been bothering me for a while btw

[Elleran]

@TheTrollie: Cool, more page 1 stuff. Both of your quotes have been thoroughly questioned and answered already. Have you even read the other pages?

[Slandaar]

Trollie is town.

Elleran is scum; lynch him.

[Slandaar]

Please, enlighten us more about the game. Who do you think are the scums? I'm dying to know.

As opposed to asking Trollie for a list of everyone who he thinks is town? I don't think so. It's so much easier for scum to come up with a list of who he thinks is town than for a list of who he thinks is scum.

As we can see Elleran in quote 1 is being sarcastic, in quote 2 he is defending himself by suggesting there was actual reasoning behind his question.

There obviously wasn't

Hes scum

Lynch.

[Slandaar]

(quote numbers are wrong)

[Elleran]

Trollie is town.

Elleran is scum; lynch him.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. TheTrollie and Slandaar have both been making bold claims as these without having any evidence to back themselves up. Slandaar has tended to be reasonable until recently, especially ever since TheTrollie started talking. What I'm seeing now is Slandaar looking for some evidence to show that TheTrollie is innocent to defend his fellow scumbuddy, failing to find any, then resorting to just saying meaningless statements as quoted above to try a last ditch attempt to swerve the town into mislynching.

PEDIT:
The first question I asked TheTrollie may have had a caustic tone, but my intent was real. I wanted some real feedback about what TheTrollie thought, which he ended up giving in a form of a list of most-towny players AKA fake scumhunting. Slandaar, could you tell me in what way a list of towny players will help town more than it does scums?

[TheTrollie]

Trollie is town.

Elleran is scum; lynch him.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. TheTrollie and Slandaar have both been making bold claims as these without having any evidence to back themselves up. Slandaar has tended to be reasonable until recently, especially ever since TheTrollie started talking. What I'm seeing now is Slandaar looking for some evidence to show that TheTrollie is innocent to defend his fellow scumbuddy, failing to find any, then resorting to just saying meaningless statements as quoted above to try a last ditch attempt to swerve the town into mislynching.

PEDIT:
The first question I asked TheTrollie may have had a caustic tone, but my intent was real. I wanted some real feedback about what TheTrollie thought, which he ended up giving in a form of a list of most-towny players AKA fake scumhunting. Slandaar, could you tell me in what way a list of towny players will help town more than it does scums?

so u think slandaar is scum cuz he thinks im town?

[Elleran]

so u think slandaar is scum cuz he thinks im town?

Yes. He seemed to have ignored all of your nonsense and tunneled on what I posted. This tells me either that he's actually tunneling on me hard (which is strange considering you've posted several walls of texts, and because he's been questioning anything that moves) or he wants to defend you but your posts are actually full of so much nonsense that he can't find a legitimate case for your defense.

[TheTrollie]

so it cant be that he thinks im town?

[Elleran]

so it cant be that he thinks im town?

Sure he can. I would like to know why, though.

This was his post that defended you:

Trollie is town.

Does this convince you? Because it most certainly does not convince me.

[DeathRowKitty]

Can we not quote entire posts in order to post 3 words about them? Some posts could definitely benefit from not requiring a scroll bar.

[Kthxbye]

Yeah....I hate D1's. Next vote count I'm just hopping on the biggest wagon....unless it's me for posting this of course.

[Dannflor]

I hate the way Trollie and Slaandar are playing. I don't hate them just their playstyle. Mainly because it makes them impossible to read. When you go "XXX is scum. YYY is town. Nuff Said."... you can't read that at all. Plus you have no idea why this person thinks so and so is scum. While I don't want to discredit their gut reads, it would be nice if they opened up a little and explained their reads a bit more. Just saying, it makes it a lot easier for town to scum hunt. That said, no reads on Trollie yet, Slaandar is leaning town, mainly from his interaction with Om...

More coming in just minute, gotta end this post early.