Gay Mafia II: RIDE THE LIGHTNING (Game Over)

Sir Elton Hercules John · Post Post #3650 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:29 am

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Magua · Post Post #3651 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:52 am

I doubt vollkan will return to respond before the Day is over.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #3652 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:41 am

↑ Zoidberg wrote:Hi.

I am willing to be the compromise lynch today on the condition we don't lynch zoraster, who I have a very strong townread on.

VOTE: zoidberg

I'm looking at all the vote counts and the scum distribution... this zoidberg thing is NOT town. I'm not fooled by the fruit vendor business.

TheTrollie · Post Post #3653 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:33 am

ok i did a full color coding of the VCs havent looked at it yet, i know that DGB already spazed about these a few days ago but i thought maybe this would show me a good place to start ISOing.

Spoiler: Day 1

Spoiler: Day 2

Spoiler: Day 3

Spoiler: DAY 4

Spoiler: DAY 5

Spoiler: DAY 6

Iecerint · Post Post #3654 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:38 am

↑ Magua wrote:*Really* curious about Iecerint's thoughts about lynching Trollie now that the double vote is confirmed.

I think you are missing that the Mods clarified that listing Trollie's vote twice was NOT an error. This departs from Trollie's explanation of how his ability works and makes me want to lynch him more, not less. Either he's lying about how ability works, or he misunderstood it.

Pedit: Trollie, answer my question.

TheTrollie · Post Post #3655 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:35 am

OHHHHHHH....

Ok...i totally misread the clarification of my Role. Also I was wrong and I did send it to Sir Elton and not to just Reck.

I misinterpreted the Mods answer to my question about whether my double vote will be displayed as two votes. YES, the VC NUMBER does include my vote, but I, "TheTrollie", would not be listed twice.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #3656 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:14 am

It took a week, but Trollie's story is finally starting to make sense.

Iecerint · Post Post #3657 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:06 pm

↑ Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
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Mod error?

Magua · Post Post #3658 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:41 pm

↑ Iecerint wrote:I think you are missing that the Mods clarified that listing Trollie's vote twice was NOT an error. This departs from Trollie's explanation of how his ability works and makes me want to lynch him more, not less. Either he's lying about how ability works, or he misunderstood it.

It shows that Trollie was a double voter D4 and a double voter D5, putting DGB's "fakeclaim and/or one-shot" theory to bed.

We then circle around to having two scum factions, and scum needing to kill Trollie to avoid losing to PoE and/or to having their vote stolen (and, if the scum think that Trollie is other-scum, as dramonic seems to think, they risk losing to being crosskilled).

So, the question put to you is, do you believe that Trollie, confirmed vote-stealing-double-voter, will be NK'ed by one, if not both, scum factions?

↑ Iecerint wrote:Mod error?

Given VC 5.2 (the one the mods just corrected today), VC 5.3 has to be mod error.

Magua · Post Post #3659 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:46 pm

@Trollie:

Your IIoA in 3653 isn't useful. Give an actual fucking scumread on someone, actually, two someones.

Zero interest in lynching Trollie, DGB, Zoidberg, and (this is the weakest) dramonic.

Leaves vollkan, zoraster, , who I want to lynch in exactly that order. For zoraster's sake, I'll repeat I want to lynch him because I understand basic maths, not because I think he's actually scum (though, he's doing a good job of acting like scum at this point in time, so)

As deadline is < 24 hours away, if people can actually man up and post reads, that would be fucking great, though I sincerely doubt 3/8ths of the game is going to do it.

ISO · Post Post #3660 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:52 pm

oh, i understand you now. I'm just trying to think about whether i want vollkan lynched. I'm okay being lynched today.

ISO · Post Post #3661 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:52 pm

mod moved the deadline, magua.

Magua · Post Post #3662 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:54 pm

I thought it was to Saturday for some reason.

Great! We have < 48 hours instead of < 24!

Oh, and you're here! So you can post reads!

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ISO · Post Post #3663 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:04 pm

Well, sure. DGB is a huge noise to signal ratio person, vollkan stands completely counter to that. Both are kind of scummy for it, but ultimately I find DGB town. Less decided on vollkan and need to think on that. I am frankly confused as to your certainty of vollkan being scum, but it's not because I find him town.

From being in that ill-fated Flay game together, I know that you don't try to moderate or change your play for mechanical advantage thing as scum, so I give you no points for the analysis you have provided, helpful though it has been.

I think dramonic is likely SK, though to be fair that's something I think you're fairly likely to be as well.

Trollie, Iec and Zoid I read as town.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #3664 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:14 pm

↑ Magua wrote:Leaves vollkan, zoraster, , who I want to lynch in exactly that order. For zoraster's sake, I'll repeat I want to lynch him because I understand basic maths, not because I think he's actually scum (though, he's doing a good job of acting like scum at this point in time, so)

Which is the better bet and why?

Magua · Post Post #3665 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:48 pm

I'm voting vollkan and been crusading for his lynch all Day. zoraster is only a compromise lynch, inasmuch as no one thinks zoraster is scum, and he's just a lynch target to minimize potential damages. Whereas I actually think vollkan is scum.

The problem is that I'm not sure I can swing a vollkan lynch, which is really somewhat surprising. At best, I've got me, you and Trollie for it (and that's only if your willingness to vote vollkan wasn't some reaction test), and even that that's only four votes, whereas dramonic and Iecerint are against voting vollkan and Zoidberg is lolwtfbecausewhyshouldZoidbergdosomethingsomundaneaspostreads?

Iecerint · Post Post #3666 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:59 pm

@ Magua -- Trollie may be killed N6, but I do not think it's as fullproof as you appear to. There are a lot of factors in play. If he's mafia-scum, SK-scum could play a "make them lynch him" game analogous to what you're proposing. If he's SK-scum, mafia will probably be less likely to try to NK him. And both of these go at once if he's town.

I think the policy-lynch argument on zora is more persuasive than the policy-not-lynch argument on Trollie.

Pedit -- I'm not against voting vollkan...vollkan was my initial vote of the day before DGB's case on Zoid. I would say zora ~> Trollie (pending no more Mod error issues > vollkan >>>>>>> others.

I think Trollie is more likely to be scum than vollkan, but I can appreciate that there's some math/long-game reasons to bias that match-up in Trollie's favor, so I can understand lynching vollkan. I think both are more likely to be scum than Zora, but I think the math for lynching Zora is relatively compelling.

Zoidberg looks like it isn't happening, buttttt I think I'd rather lynch Trollie or Vollkan if we don't lynch Zora, anyway, so...

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #3667 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:11 pm

↑ Iecerint wrote:If he's mafia-scum, SK-scum could play a "make them lynch him" game analogous to what you're proposing. If he's SK-scum, mafia will probably be less likely to try to NK him. And both of these go at once if he's town.

That really plays into my paranoia.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #3668 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:25 pm

In any event I'm willing to sheep Magua's calculations.

Magua · Post Post #3669 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:44 pm

↑ Iecerint wrote:@ Magua -- Trollie may be killed N6, but I do not think it's as fullproof as you appear to. There are a lot of factors in play. If he's mafia-scum, SK-scum could play a "make them lynch him" game analogous to what you're proposing. If he's SK-scum, mafia will probably be less likely to try to NK him. And both of these go at once if he's town.

If scum choose not to shoot Trollie, then fuck 'em, they lose.

I think Trollie's town. Really do. I'm not going to vote for him. Ever. If I'm still alive tomorrow, and Trollie stole the vote of someone else, he's not lynchable.

If scum want to shoot me over Trollie, more power to them, but will it get Trollie lynched? Fuck no. If I get shot, flip town, y'all better reread this post, see that I'm not bullshitting and then fucking not lynch Trollie.

Scum not shooting Trollie are losing the game for themselves, plain and simple.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #3670 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:35 pm

VOTE: vollkan

TheTrollie · Post Post #3671 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:36 pm

I just isod...willing to lynch volkan, i was wrong about him hes a pretty good target.

VC?

Magua · Post Post #3672 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:35 am

He's at 2 votes (me and DGB).

Trollie, you know, 2 suspects would still be grand from you.

Sir Elton Hercules John · Post Post #3673 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:44 am

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Magua · Post Post #3674 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:45 am

↑ Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:Zoidberg - 1 (Zoidberg)

Zoidberg.

I don't really like the personal insults, so I'm not going to call you a fucking moron.

But.

If you could stop acting like a fucking moron, that'd be really swell.