Mini 1420: The Beginning Of The End (Game Over)

[JasonWazza]

VOTE COUNT 2.3

[3] q21: Kthxbye, Psyche, Nachomamma8,
[3] Ztife: Goodmorning, q21, DeathRowKitty,
[2] KthxBye: Jennifer, Ztife,
[1] Jennifer: Slandaar,
[1] Slandaar: Kwll,


Not Voting:

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2013-02-24 23:57:13)

V/LA: Jennifer till 19th of February
q21 till 16th of February

[Jennifer]

Sitting on the plane ready to take off so quick last thoughts for now:

I agree with Kthx that it's likely at least one scum was on the Elleran wagon. But I also think it's likely at least one scum was off. But Kthx gets town points from me for doing PoE and working wih it (even though i dont agree with his reads) Also I don't think q21 is scum.
Slaandar is unreadable to me so cuts either way.

VOTE: ztife

Nacho is also suspect for giving Ztife a town read (higher than the probtown read he have GM). If like to hear his justification for that because can't think of any.

Will try to check in before back from vacation but ability to do deep dive will be limited to negligible until back.

[Ztife]

Sitting on the plane ready to take off so quick last thoughts for now:

I agree with Kthx that it's likely at least one scum was on the Elleran wagon. But I also think it's likely at least one scum was off. But Kthx gets town points from me for doing PoE and working wih it (even though i dont agree with his reads) Also I don't think q21 is scum.
Slaandar is unreadable to me so cuts either way.

VOTE: ztife

Nacho is also suspect for giving Ztife a town read (higher than the probtown read he have GM). If like to hear his justification for that because can't think of any.

Will try to check in before back from vacation but ability to do deep dive will be limited to negligible until back.

Reason for your vote? Seems like your posts gives alot of logical observations but you seems to always vote otherwise.

>.<

We can't lynch kthxbye. Not really. People shouldn't be surprised that he hammered like he did. All the signs were there. He literally announced that he would do this several pages beforehand and barely anything was done about it. We live in a world where shitplay (no offense - but you've admitted already that you're terrible and an asshole) is not the same as scumplay. We live in a world where antitown actions can be explained by more than just alliance - character flaws, hard lives, race/ethnicity (jk).

kthxbye is the prototype of what sort of thing can come out of a world so jaded as this. And we're going to have to live with it. All the way to the end, probably.

***

Q21's posts are awful. It's a subtle shittiness he shelters, but a thin layer of feces coats everything he says. It's really quite disgusting.

Okay, I'm exaggerating. I just really wanted to type that. It just came to me. It's not that serious at all.

His several posts involving a shift to the Elleran wagon (many shifts; helps curtail attribution of responsibility) make me cringe. An explicitly semantic issue, unfounded cognitive dissonance, "buddying"/"jumping". The first, I'll allow, was generally fielded by a few people, but as you go along, it gets dangerously close to complete bullshit. Is this just a few bad cases or scum looking for a way through?

And his other posts are fine.

***

1. goodmorning is okay. I need more.
2. Kthxbye is town. Probably.
3. Ztife may as well die today.
4. Slandaar is town.
6. Psyche Om is town.
7. Nachomamma8 Rondar nothing of note.
8. DeathRowKitty is okay. There were some awkward moments, but generally a force of goodness.
9. Kwll joelsdaman1 nothing of note.
11. Jennifer is beautiful and wonderful and coool. Stop calling her scum.
13. q21 is annoying.

No strong scumreads. >.>

I thought I would have something stronger, but meh. From the looks of it, we're in good shape, though. If we don't get scum today, we'll almost definitely hit the target tomorrow. So help me, garsh!

Until then, today. Gimme a sec...

Tell me now, how does that make me scummy over kthnx in your logic?
or to paraphrase, how is my play scummy over "shit play"?

Also, he announced that he was hammering? Please show some quotes, I can't seem to find it.

trollie has repeatedly shown to accuse elleran for being scum, 353 405, been lynched and dannfloor who has shown to suspect kthnx for being scum 383 has been lynched as well. D1 ended fast with little clues other than that we probably have an SK. This is due to kthnx "shit play". So what determines scummy or "shitplay" to u?

Slaandar, q21, kthnx, high on my scum list. Elleran should not have been lynch D1, it was a crap lynch and a crap hammer.

[Kthxbye]

You should vote Q21 and put your money where your mouth is.

[Psyche]

Tell me now, how does that make me scummy over kthnx in your logic?
or to paraphrase, how is my play scummy over "shit play"?

What does play shittiness have to do with scumminess?

Also, he announced that he was hammering? Please show some quotes, I can't seem to find it.

Yeah....I hate D1's. Next vote count I'm just hopping on the biggest wagon....unless it's me for posting this of course.

Translation: I'm going to indiscriminately use my vote to end the day more quickly.

I love me some Miike Snow.

[Psyche]

joels is obvtown, DRK is cool town, ztife is town, om is town, kthx is town, goodmorning is probably town
(q21, Slandaar, Jennifer)
are the three i like the least

Vote: q21

Why?

VOTE: Jennifer

I think.

I could be down for this, but I think someone from Elleran's wagon needs to die first.

Why?

VOTE: Jennifer

I think.

Why?

[Kthxbye]

Cuz I think Jennifer is scummy as well

[Psyche]

Why Jenny ScummY?

[goodmorning]

Seconding Psyche's last question. I definitely don't think I get it either.

[JasonWazza]

8 posts in 24 hours, come on guys pick it up a bit.

Your all on the internet so we know you have no lives (jokes)

[Slandaar]

OK We are massclaiming

Vig needs to claim first.

If there is no vig claim there is an SK and any future vig claims will be lynched as such.

[q21]

V/LA until the weekend.

Started a 72 hours trial at work yesterday. I thought I would still have time to play properly, but I'm having to be much more hands on than I'd have liked or expected. Not going to be able to catch up or participate until the weekend. Trial technically ends at 6:00 am Saturday, but then I'll need to sleep.

Mod: Noted and on the VC top of page

[DeathRowKitty]

OK We are massclaiming

Vig needs to claim first.

If there is no vig claim there is an SK and any future vig claims will be lynched as such.

You produce a better reason than "I WANT TO KNOW WHO OUR PR'S ARE" or this idea dies

now

. Failure to produce a reason or to drop this may as well be a scum claim.

[Slandaar]

Massclaims are inherently protown and with 3 VT dead 1 day off lylo potentially it is clearly the time to massclaim.

The fact 3 VT are dead increases;
The conftown/pool ratio from claiming
The Chance PR is shot by vig/scum tonight

So claiming we are.

And your position in the claiming order just got a lot worse.

Vig claims first.

[DeathRowKitty]

Massclaims
on day 2
are
inherently
stupid.

The fact no.
The conf...no
The chance of no.

Claiming we are not.

My position in this massclaim is no because it is not happening.

If we have a vig, no.

Unvote: Ztife

Vote: Slandaar

100% serious about this vote. A massclaim right now does absolutely 100% nothing except out PRs for scum to take aim at and it is not happening.

[Slandaar]

A massclaim right now does absolutely 100% nothing except out PRs for scum to take aim at and it is not happening.

OK so DRK is scum.

He is basically trying to stand up for whats generally considered standard while clearly not thinking about the situation ie;

It does many things, nothing is beyond a lie.

if we have 3/4 conftown from PR's that increases chance of lynching scum today along with the fact the vig won't shoot a PR tonight. These are both huge benefits.

If we do not massclaim and scum hit a PR (they could have rolecop etc increasing these odds) and vig hits one. Well why didn't we massclaim today again? The whole situation is risk/reward and this is the time to claim by my calculations. Losing one PR tonight to the vig/scum is the same as letting the scum know who the PR's are to shoot tonight it is LITERALLY THE SAME THING and the odds of that happening are actually fairly high scum having a 3/7 or 3/6 without PR considerations if not 4/7 4/6 then vig is 2/8 or 3/8 ... this means if we don't lynch scum today odds we lose a PR best case is 3/7 and 1/4 which is eh like 16/28

SO OVER HALF THE TIME WE LOSE A PR BEST CASE SCENARIO

Best case. That is.

Worst case is;
4/6 3/8

OH THIS WILL BE BAD FOR YOU DRK

REALLY BAD

WORST CASE IE WE MISLYNCH(Not a PR that kind of defies the point) TODAY MEANS WE LOSE A PR TONIGHT

3/4 of the time

GOOD ODDS YA?

Obviously the other thing that can happen is scum fakeclaim into a town PR and get lynched. Obviously good too and with quite a few alive it means their potential rolecops have less info etc. They can fakeclaim something and then we know there is scum in the group of PR's it will be obvious who as long as there is a vig.

Nothing indeed.

VOTE: DRK

(PS: I hope my math is right)

[Slandaar]

Eh I lost part of my post when as I relogged in and had to save it well whatever

Basically I was saying that because we lose PR so much anyways by claiming we increase the odds to lynch scum today and vig scum tonight at the cost of scum 100% shooting a PR tonight

This trade is very very fair and is definitely good

You want to run vs 75% odds anyways? may as well trade it for a 3/7 of lynching scum today over 3/10 right?

[Slandaar]

or it could be 3/6 odds which is just... yeah

DRK is scum

Vig can claim

[DeathRowKitty]

Yeah, no, everything you said in that post is bullcrap.

Losing one PR tonight to the vig/scum is the same as letting the scum know who the PR's are to shoot tonight it is LITERALLY THE SAME THING and the odds of that happening are actually fairly high scum having a 3/7 or 3/6 without PR considerations if not 4/7 4/6 then vig is 2/8 or 3/8 ... this means if we don't lynch scum today odds we lose a PR best case is 3/7 and 1/4 which is eh like 16/28

Did you know that if we massclaim, the odds we lose a power role tonight are 28/28? 28/28 is a bigger number than 16/28, so clearly is must be better, right?


But that's okay, you covered that in your post. Scum could have a rolecop, so it's possible that this role that there's some non-zero chance they have happened to investigate a town power role in the one night it's had a chance to action. Therefore scum might hit a PR tonight. Where did this scum rolecop idea even come from?



Massclaim still not happening.

[DeathRowKitty]

It's okay Slandaar, one day you can sit at the big boy logic table. One day when you're smarter.

[DeathRowKitty]

And for the record, if we have a vig, he/she shouldn't even be shooting tonight unless there's a good chance he/she's going to die. We're currently on evens. Vig gets one more shot. It should be as late as possible without risking premature death.

[DeathRowKitty]

I have decided

that Slandaar is scum

and scum have a rolecop. Probably.

You mentioned a scum rolecop twice as a reason massclaim was beneficial. The hilarious irony in this is the second thing you said in your long failpost:

He is basically trying to stand up for whats generally considered standard while clearly not thinking about the situation

So tell me, what if instead of a rolecop, scum have the more popular ROLEBLOCKER. Well shit man, that would suck, wouldn't it? But no, scum have a ROLECOP. Where would that speculation even come from?

[DeathRowKitty]

Slandaar, you have awoken a sleeping FROGGIANT.

[DeathRowKitty]

Oh man oh man oh man oh man

HERE BE SLANDAAR'S ISO

After his iso #4, in which he talks to Dannflor, plus or minus like 2 posts where he gives a sentence in direct response to someone, he doesn't talk to ANYONE except Om, kthx, and Elleran for the ENTIRE rest of the day. Oh yeah, you were definitely actually scumhunting Slandaar.

Most definitely

[DeathRowKitty]

Come on back Slandaar, I miss you. We have so much to talk about.