Mini 1420: The Beginning Of The End (Game Over)

[Kthxbye]

True story. I even vig'd him to win the game IIRC.

Thanks for the B-day wish!

[Psyche]

I need to process this.
Two really aggressive players butting heads over a theoretical issue to the point that they are both seriously pushing for each other's lynch.

Is there any record of DRK doing this posting binge/picture spam thing in the past? Has DRK expressed any suspicion of Slandaar in the past, or is this OMGUS?

What in your past games with Slandaar is influencing your decisions?

How to know DRK is scum in 1 minute;
As soon as he realised I was willing to head to head he immediately started to appeal to the masses with images; this is to manipulate ie; by posting images you are trying to influence peoples votes not with reasoning but with popularity.

It is quite obvious.

This is kinda bullshit. Scum almost always stick to the playbook in situations like these. It's town who goes to rhetoric+ to get targets lynched.

A lot of the other crap you've said is bullshit, too. You aren't the kingmaker; you don't get to decide what we assume about a vig when he/she decides not to cooperate with your massclaim idea. Get real.

But all this seems like Slandaar posting. It's exposed how highly he thinks of himself as well as how comfortable he is with jumping to conclusions, but - is that special of him?

[Psyche]

I'll give kthxbye a grudging "happy birrthday".

[Kthxbye]

grudging?!!!

Thanks though!

[DeathRowKitty]

Is there any record of DRK doing this posting binge/picture spam thing in the past? Has DRK expressed any suspicion of Slandaar in the past, or is this OMGUS?

This is the first example that comes to mind (starting from iso #33) of me bingeposting/pictureposting. I haven't played much in the past 2 years and I don't care to go looking back through old games to see where else I might or might not have done it. I know I've posted pictures of apples/frogs/frogs with apples in a few games in the past.

As for whether I expressed prior suspicion of Slandaar or this was OMGUS, I made my suspicion clear here, before he voiced any suspicion of me. This is going to sound stupid, possibly because it is, but the impression I was getting off of him was that of someone quietly whispering to stray townies about massclaim under the voice of objections - like a clichéd scene of a single underling secretly staging a rebellion against a Big Brother-esque watching-you kind of Man. That was what prompted my "Failure to produce a reason or to drop this may as well be a scum claim." I figured that by that point, a townie would be willing to explain the merits of this plan he so firmly believed in, instead of completely ignoring disagreement and hoping a hypothetical vig would suicide out of nowhere by claiming in response to his demand. His response was to give a possible benefit of a massclaim that ignored the primary objections that had been publicly raised and to more or less call me scum. Ergo, vote.



Also, happy birthday kthx. I got you a cake but then I ate it and now I hate myself because frogs aren't supposed to eat cake

[JasonWazza]

VOTE COUNT 2.5

L-1

[5] Slandaar: Kwll, DeathRowKitty, Goodmorning, Nachomamma8, Kthxbye,
[2] Ztife: q21, Jennifer,
[1] q21: Psyche,
[1] KthxBye: Ztife,
[1] DeathRowKitty: Slandaar,


Not Voting:

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2013-02-24 23:57:13)

V/LA: Jennifer till 19th of February
q21 till 16th of February

[Kthxbye]

We do have like 8 days left till deadline. No need to be hasty I suppose.

[kwll]

All onboard for the Slandaar Train!!!

[DeathRowKitty]

kwll, do you have any reads outside of your Slandaar read?

Also, what's your avatar a picture of? I'm unfamiliar with a lot of your human culture. A lot of people think I'm uncultured, but I just think I'm a frog.

[Nachomamma8]

Is there any record of DRK doing this posting binge/picture spam thing in the past? Has DRK expressed any suspicion of Slandaar in the past, or is this OMGUS?

medical records show that it's fucking town as fuck
and that you shouldn't give a shit whether it's OMGUS or not; DRK's posting is clearly not coming from a defensive state of mind. it's coming from a "hey i just found scum let's kill the fuck out of them".

[Nachomamma8]

mindset.
and i tried to post that post so many times MS redirected me to the first page
i didn't even know they did that

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho is also suspect for giving Ztife a town read (higher than the probtown read he have GM). If like to hear his justification for that because can't think of any.

if you can't think of any, then you're tunneling too hard
but it's already kind of shown that you're tunneling too hard by giving me a scumread for calling someone town
luckily, it makes me think i am wrong on you and need a replacement read

my biggest problem with slandaar's push to massclaim is not that he pushed to massclaim. that's whatever, everyone makes mistakes. but there's the concentration in wanting the vig to claim first, which makes no fucking sense unless he has a really strong SK suspicion (which he fucking doesn't or else he wouldn't have tossed out the 7 town number, and instead would've said 6/7). then there's the push on DRK, which is for thinking that he's trying to stand up for what's standard and "clearly" not looking at the facts. which tells me slandaar scum thought that his massclaim proposal would be like OH SO TOWN. and the whole "OH YEAH WE'RE GONNA LOSE A PR TONIGHT IF WE DON'T MASSCLAIM" is weird. because massclaiming means that we will lose a PR tonight.
soooooooo

[Slandaar]

Nacho is scum

Vig has to claim first because if he doesn't and is SK who doesn't claim you get the mass PR death which is exactly what he said was bad about massclaim.

I am the doc obviously so time to massclaim.

[Nachomamma8]

unvote

still not time to massclaim
and it's pretty funny that i don't believe you even a little bit
but we'll see

[Slandaar]

Go meta me, I love being conftown and that is what I would be here;

You agree though that the vig had to claim first now, correct?

[Nachomamma8]

if we decided to massclaim, then yes that would be a good idea.
i still think it's a horrible idea to massclaim. maybe a little bit less than i did before, but it's still a horrible idea.
you also wouldn't be conftown with an un-CC'ed doctor claim

[Slandaar]

why wouldn't I?

there is obviously a protective role with scum + vig/sk and that is ... me

Why am I not conftown again?

If no scum fakeclaim I am also just plain conftown.

[Nachomamma8]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=1375

first game i clicked on, look at that!

[Nachomamma8]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=575

but the real kicker is

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
where the only protective role was a one-shot roleblocker in a JOAT, which actually isn't a protective role

[Slandaar]

Whatever I am biased I know I am doc.

There is the obvious fact that in a massclaim d2 there those 3 roles would be conftown though thus proving why massclaim is good.

[Slandaar]

1394 doesn't even have a vig

RB makes the massclaim insanely protown.

[Nachomamma8]

no, those three roles will not be conftown.
we will still have to guess who is fake-claiming and who isn't
and if we fuck up doing that, scum will kill shit and it will be bad

[Nachomamma8]

1394 doesn't even have a vig

what, and you think that makes your point stronger?

[Slandaar]

You don't think even/odd night + gunsmith makes complete sense from a setup POV thereby making them all conftown? i mean the vigs obviously are and then the gunsmith if he claimed first its very very clear, if after its still pretty obvious unless scum fakeclaim what? cop, cops getting lynched first.

[Slandaar]

1394 doesn't even have a vig

what, and you think that makes your point stronger?

So, you think you can say X produce Y to support X then when I say Y doesn't support X you think I am using Y as my argument?

Scum.