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Post Post #17575 (ISO) » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:54 pm

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MrZepher wrote:http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/23181 ... nn-is-here

Vi and Amumu get pretty needless buffs

Taric gets a weird adjustment on his W that I don't think is going to matter too much.


That's just reverting the nerf on his damage. He's still got the ult range nerf, the Q nerf, and the E nerf.

Maybe I'll finally get to play him again though.
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Post Post #17576 (ISO) » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:20 pm

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Ankamius wrote:Alright, last ranked game before I get a ranking. It probably won't end well.


4-2 to 4-6

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Post Post #17577 (ISO) » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:23 pm

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So Quinn does tons of damage. I used the "thereisnourflevel" code to get into the PBE client since the login servers are up now.

She feels a lot like a combo between Vayne and Draven.
If she gets the gold she's going to wreck kids for sure.

passive: picks the weakest target and applies a debuff that you can attack for bonus damage and passive atkspd once you level W. The debuff doesn't go away until it's consumed or the target dies, but only 1 debuff can be active at a time. Makes lasthitting SUPER easy, and from what I can see will prioritize champions when you can forsure win a trade. There is a pretty decent amount of time before passive procs though. Not sure what the CD is if there is one.

Q: Skillshot nuke that applies a small AoE blind once it hits something. I took this at rank one but it's kind of meh.

W: Increases your field of vision by a significant amount, and lets you see into FoW. REALLY good for when you're chasing things into brush or to see over walls and such. Passive atk speed is nice for trades once your passive shows up on a champion.

E: Vault is definitely the first thing you want to max. It's what lets you burst trade and is your only way to create distance from something that's closing in on you. You return in the same direction you jumped from based on a fixed radius (which is just outside of your max range to provide counterplay). You can be targeted in motion for this so it's not good for fizzling abilities or turret shots.
The combo seems to work: AA w/ passive -> E -> AA w/ reapplied passive -> Q if they might retaliate and then go from there.
If your back is to the wall when you cast you can jump ledges and stuff.

R: Valor takes your place and you get a MASSIVE mspeed bonus. Good for escapes out of hairy situations, but you can still get CC'd. You DO become Melee range and your abilities change a bit but it's still pretty intuitive. Casting again turns you back into Quinn and brings down a massive volley of arrows that does a stupid amount of damage.
The CD's between your Quinn form and your Valor form are shared, and using E while in Valor form doesn't proc your passive like it would in Quinn form, so you have to choose between Ulting first and homing in on a champion with E, or initiation with E first and then chasing with your Ult as a finisher.

In terms of base stats she's tankyish for an ADC. Definitely not as tanky as Graves and his passive stats, but tankier than Draven.
Her base attack speed is fucking terrible though, which is to offset her MASSIVE trading damage early on. Like holy shit. You can chunk somebody for 2/3 of their health at level 1 if you play correctly.

edit:
CD's are really killer on her though. Also Sword of the Divine isn't a terrible purchase on her if you just want to gib people.
Even as an ADC mobility is really crucial on her. She doesn't get extended range like Kogmaw does, and has to dive into people in order to maximize her DPS.
After she uses her E her only other hard escape is her Ult which isn't the preferred use of that ability I feel like.
or something like that....
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Post Post #17578 (ISO) » Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:06 pm

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Fate wrote:GOLD BITCHES


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Post Post #17579 (ISO) » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:05 pm

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Ankamius wrote:
Ankamius wrote:Alright, last ranked game before I get a ranking. It probably won't end well.


4-2 to 4-6

yay silver 4

I went 7-3 and got Silver V
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Post Post #17580 (ISO) » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:08 pm

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Yeah, I don't know about this placement system. I've noticed that in the two games I played after being placed, the average skill level went down significantly. I don't think I'll be in Silver 4 for long.
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Post Post #17581 (ISO) » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:17 pm

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omg blade of the ruined king is so fuckin op wtf PBE WTF omg
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Post Post #17582 (ISO) » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:19 pm

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MrZepher wrote:So Quinn does tons of damage.
E: Vault is definitely the first thing you want to max.

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Post Post #17583 (ISO) » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:56 pm

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The new Kingblade needs to go live, as is, asap. New active is op as fuck. 150 + 10% hp nuke.

Got my ass handed to me in a proving grounds QuinnVQuinn. Shouldn't have ran all attack speed runes..
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Post Post #17584 (ISO) » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:20 pm

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Ugh, so frustrating. i started today out after a break from ranked at silver 3 with 20ish league points. I've played three games today and lost all three. First was a dc, second was a team that refused to push until we just lost, third was a dc. Back in silver 4.

I'm not even mad anymore, just in a "really" kind of mood.
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Post Post #17585 (ISO) » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:57 pm

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Oh, hey! You're literally two spots above me.
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Post Post #17586 (ISO) » Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:08 am

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IH wrote:Ugh, so frustrating. i started today out after a break from ranked at silver 3 with 20ish league points. I've played three games today and lost all three. First was a dc, second was a team that refused to push until we just lost, third was a dc. Back in silver 4.

I'm not even mad anymore, just in a "really" kind of mood.


This is what happened to me. (same division even) Gotta love instant demotions while you have to jump through hoops to go up.
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Post Post #17587 (ISO) » Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:59 am

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Quinn's W just seems like a giant "fuck you" to Ashe's E.
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Post Post #17588 (ISO) » Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:31 am

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MrZepher wrote:So Quinn does tons of damage. I used the "thereisnourflevel" code to get into the PBE client since the login servers are up now.

She feels a lot like a combo between Vayne and Draven.
If she gets the gold she's going to wreck kids for sure.

passive: picks the weakest target and applies a debuff that you can attack for bonus damage and passive atkspd once you level W. The debuff doesn't go away until it's consumed or the target dies, but only 1 debuff can be active at a time. Makes lasthitting SUPER easy, and from what I can see will prioritize champions when you can forsure win a trade. There is a pretty decent amount of time before passive procs though. Not sure what the CD is if there is one.

Q: Skillshot nuke that applies a small AoE blind once it hits something. I took this at rank one but it's kind of meh.

W: Increases your field of vision by a significant amount, and lets you see into FoW. REALLY good for when you're chasing things into brush or to see over walls and such. Passive atk speed is nice for trades once your passive shows up on a champion.

E: Vault is definitely the first thing you want to max. It's what lets you burst trade and is your only way to create distance from something that's closing in on you. You return in the same direction you jumped from based on a fixed radius (which is just outside of your max range to provide counterplay). You can be targeted in motion for this so it's not good for fizzling abilities or turret shots.
The combo seems to work: AA w/ passive -> E -> AA w/ reapplied passive -> Q if they might retaliate and then go from there.
If your back is to the wall when you cast you can jump ledges and stuff.

R: Valor takes your place and you get a MASSIVE mspeed bonus. Good for escapes out of hairy situations, but you can still get CC'd. You DO become Melee range and your abilities change a bit but it's still pretty intuitive. Casting again turns you back into Quinn and brings down a massive volley of arrows that does a stupid amount of damage.
The CD's between your Quinn form and your Valor form are shared, and using E while in Valor form doesn't proc your passive like it would in Quinn form, so you have to choose between Ulting first and homing in on a champion with E, or initiation with E first and then chasing with your Ult as a finisher.

In terms of base stats she's tankyish for an ADC. Definitely not as tanky as Graves and his passive stats, but tankier than Draven.
Her base attack speed is fucking terrible though, which is to offset her MASSIVE trading damage early on. Like holy shit. You can chunk somebody for 2/3 of their health at level 1 if you play correctly.

edit:
CD's are really killer on her though. Also Sword of the Divine isn't a terrible purchase on her if you just want to gib people.
Even as an ADC mobility is really crucial on her. She doesn't get extended range like Kogmaw does, and has to dive into people in order to maximize her DPS.
After she uses her E her only other hard escape is her Ult which isn't the preferred use of that ability I feel like.



Basic Attack Range?
Range on Q?
Q range is longer then Ezrael's Q.
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Post Post #17589 (ISO) » Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:50 am

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it's 525, kinda short.
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Post Post #17590 (ISO) » Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:58 am

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Brandi wrote:it's 525, kinda short.

Oh, okay. So she's a top lane nidalee type?
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Post Post #17591 (ISO) » Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:07 am

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Her ult doesn't keep her transformed indefinitely like nidalee's, but I see that she could be built like a bruiser, possibly. Her kit has a LOT of utility but she's not as strong as other ADCs per se.

Ranged ADC's with the same or shorter range than her:
Graves (525), Sivir (500), Kog'Maw (500.... without W) I'm not sure whether or not to count Jayce, but he's also 500.

If she were to go bot she would take auto harass from lulu, sona, soraka or lux because they all have 550, as well as almost every other adc. BUT she has a nice "self peel" and her ult makes her incredibly mobile.

It's hard to say where exactly she will be placed. Time will tell after trying out various builds. But I feel in the first week 90% of people will be doing her bot lane.
Not 100% which support goes best with her in that case.
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Post Post #17592 (ISO) » Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:12 am

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Bub Bidderskins wrote:Quinn's W just seems like a giant "fuck you" to Ashe's E.

At first glance perhaps, buuuut it's kind of different. Ashe's has a much longer range. (Hawkshot's range is RANGE: 2500 / 3250 / 4000 / 4750 / 5500, while Quinn's W is 2100 at all levels)
However, Quinn's CD on her W does decrease from 50 seconds all the way down to 30 while ashe's is a static 60 at all levels. But I feel they are different enough that one isn't really "better" than the other.
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Post Post #17593 (ISO) » Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:14 am

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All I heard was Graves range, not as tanky as Graves, has a melee transformation Ult so she doesn't to necessarily be pure damage like most AD carries. Seems more like a top laner to me. (obviously this is just blind speculation cause i'm
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Sounds to me that Quinn's W is more used for chasing and more like a "is there immediate danger or can a make a play" more where Ashe is like "Bing, dragon still up" "Bing no one back there" "Bing they are walking to Baron". They are just 2 completely different moves.
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Post Post #17594 (ISO) » Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:16 am

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Yah, I completely agree with that assessment.
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Post Post #17595 (ISO) » Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:51 am

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That's accurate.
Apparently Riot is looking at her as being a toplaner as well from what I'm seeing in some meta posts. Morello's really curious what changes in the meta this champion might impose.

I've been trying it and she tends to shit on people just because she's ranged. Her all in is really scary too, so she can definitely lane vs Elise and win.
The cookiecutter bruiser build isn't going to work as well on her imo. I mean it WILL work, but not because it's efficient.
Her Ult isn't really something you want to stay in to do damage. It just gives her massive burst potential/mobility.
You use it optimally for repositioning, chasing down kills or moving quickly across the map (towards a fight or objective). The cooldown isn't short so it's not something you spam just for trades.

I haven't had many problems winning trades bottom with her, even with a lulu in the lane, but that can also be chalked up to "I'm playing blind normals in PBE."
or something like that....
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Post Post #17596 (ISO) » Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:00 am

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whats your pbe name zepher
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Post Post #17597 (ISO) » Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:12 am

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same as MS and live lol
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Post Post #17598 (ISO) » Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:33 am

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AudioTsunami is my PBE name and i'm finally getting to play quinn
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Post Post #17599 (ISO) » Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:51 am

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17 min 12/3/2. went against swain mid. cause lol wut meta.

Edit: She does a shit load of damage.

Edit2: After the game, still not sure if she's an ADC or not. If you play her as one, you probably don't go into bird mode often. And switching modes doesn't refresh her CDs. When the enemy gets the Passive on them, it's ridiculous if you can AA E AA Q. That will kill a lot of champs from like 75%
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