/in-vitational 12: Mafia in #YOLOville - All wrapped up!

[Benmage]

@Tierce

eh, whatever

Unvote: CTD

Vote: Empire

This is hilarious survivalistic crap.

You think DV on PG3 with 3 votes... went survivalistic mode already

[DeasVail]

Tierce, why didn't you consider that I was trying to attract attention?

[DeasVail]

Whoa, hold on Tierce? You're buying that? Because that just made him go from meh to scum on my list.

Do you think that I'm making things up as I go, or that I planned this all as scum?

[Tierce]

Yeahhhh, could go for DV too. But I want my Penguin. Oh yes I do.

Whoa, hold on Tierce? You're buying that? Because that just made him go from meh to scum on my list.

This seems like it's your problem, not mine.

@Benmage: I've seen scumDeas having to fight off a D1 wagon on himself that was being lead by me. Wouldn't be particularly surprising. The word I was looking for is closer to "opportunistic" than "survivalistic", but etc.

Tierce, why didn't you consider that I was trying to attract attention?

You did something scummy. I don't have to immediately assume three layers of WIFOM to everything that is done on page 1.

[Faraday]

Day 1, Votecount 3

Nachomamma8 (1) - N
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) - Tammy
N (1) - penguin_alien

penguin_alien (4) - Wickedestjr, Cogito Ergo Sum, Johhog, Shadoweh

Konowa (2) - Llamarble, Tierce
Deasvail (2) - Empire, Konowa
Shadoweh (1) - Nachomamma8
Empire (3) - Benmage, CrashTextDummie, DeasVail

Not voting (1) :

Vi

• With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 5th of March at 00:38am GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-03-04 20:30:28)

[Empire]

Goddamn this thread blew up in between class.

I have more problems with Empire's DV vote though. It's craplogicy and hypocritical.

Erm, how is it bad logic or hypocritical? Voting someone for proposing an unorthodox strategy on page 1 is just about the laziest and lamest reason to vote someone. It doesn't require any real thought for scum to hang their vote on and it's especially jarring when you consider that you actually have proposed this as town before. I think the post was scummy and absolutely deserving of my vote.

Empire, is your vote on me serious?

Yes, my vote is serious: see above. Also, in response to your #63, how is anyone supposed to get the impression that your vote wasn't serious? From when I read it, it damn well looked like you thought CTD suggesting a massclaim seemed scummy and I thought that it was jarring as fuck that you were making what seemed to be a serious vote based on something that should be null at worst. I'm not going to sit and limply ask you why you posted something I'm already perceiving as scummy -- if I see something I think is scummy, I'm not going to waste my time and I'm just going to vote for it.

~~~

Obnoxious wallpost should be coming later tonight or tomorrow once everyone's gotten their chance to chime in more in the thread.

[Empire]

EBWOP: "something you know should be null at worst."

[Llamarble]

Town:
Llamarble

Probably Town:
Johhog
Konowa
Nacho
Shadoweh

Meh:
N
Empire
Penguin
Tammy
Vi
DV - first post is scummy in the selfvoting way
WJ
CES

For lynching:
Benmage - Like Darox in that he is usually scum when he appears slightly pro-town
CTD - Putting a link into that short of a thought is scummy.

Tierce is weird. Probably town though.

VOTE: CTD

[Konowa]

The presumptuous statement is more to that I've seen you as both alignments make a fuss over players who say "if X flips Scum then Y is next". Saying that DV, your opening post was scummy, which you now admit was on purpose (trying to attract attention). So you presuming that we would read through your bit is what I found ironic.

I hate phone posting.

[Tierce]

CTD - Putting a link into that short of a thought is scummy.

Please provide evidence for this and/or where you've thought this before.

[Empire]

Llamarble, can you explain your townreads please? And how does Benmage come across as pro-town at this point for you?

[DeasVail]

The presumptuous statement is more to that I've seen you as both alignments make a fuss over players who say "if X flips Scum then Y is next". Saying that DV, your opening post was scummy, which you now admit was on purpose (trying to attract attention). So you presuming that we would read through your bit is what I found ironic.

I still don't get it, sorry.

[Konowa]

It's okay. My humuor is my own.

Thoughts on Empire's #80?

[Konowa]

Whole time, I'm not seeing why you're voting Empire.

[DeasVail]

Yes, my vote is serious: see above. Also, in response to your #63, how is anyone supposed to get the impression that your vote wasn't serious? From when I read it, it damn well looked like you thought CTD suggesting a massclaim seemed scummy and I thought that it was jarring as fuck that you were making what seemed to be a serious vote based on something that should be null at worst. I'm not going to sit and limply ask you why you posted something I'm already perceiving as scummy -- if I see something I think is scummy, I'm not going to waste my time and I'm just going to vote for it.

The thought was that me saying it was scummy, specifically mentioning how CTD has played before, would reveal that I know CTD asks for a massclaim every game.

PEdit: I'm not sure. I still want to think that scum would be more likely to focus on attacking without realising the above, but I'm beginning to think it was too subtle with Tierce and Empire not likely being scum together.

I've got something else to do now, but I'll decide what I think later.

[Tammy]

Empire is town...most likely. I'll be able to tell for sure after an effort post, but first thought is he would be too self-conscious to call himself obvtown, especially in a game with me and tierce and regfan waiting to replace in if necessary. And I doubt he'd bother to be posting in between classes as scum, he'd be far more likely to just put it off.

[Konowa]

Tammy's post doesn't give me any sort of warm and fuzzies. That can come from either alignment, especially considering how often Blue has been playing together lately. The timing seems a little ugh too.

[Tammy]

Don't expect too much from me this week. Got a busy week and an interview to prepare for. Actual *effort* probably won't happen until Friday/Saturday.

Timing? I had a few minutes and read the person that is easiest for me to read.

[Vi]

I am honestly kind of afraid to post here because I'm worried that my avatar isn't reddish enough to match everyone else's.

Vote: CrashTestDummie

(L-7) #YOLO

And how does Benmage come across as pro-town at this point for you?

[Konowa]

Yes, timing.

Also, the read you gave was very lazy. Considering what I've seen of TownTammy/Blue, color me underwhelmed.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Benmage - Like Darox in that he is usually scum when he appears slightly pro-town

Pretty sure you're just bad at reading benmage.

Random thought: Closed White Flag.
Non-random thought: this game is boring.

[Llamarble]

Johhog is comfortable / assertive.
"Whoa why did you get a different impression from mine" is town because town expect others to agree with them whereas mafia realize they have a different perspective.

Nacho is also comfortable and random antagonism isn't usually scumvtown.

I believe / find genuine Konowa's introspection in 47.

Shadoweh's "Then again I am a terrible judge of character" and "may not be good enough to do this" self deprecation posts sound town.
I'm never a fan of 'I am trying this once' or 'I wouldn't make this error as scum' though.

I don't have another example of finding a link scummy, but I think CTD wanted his post to be taken as immediate reactions to the thread while the link indicates more construction went into it.

Benmage is commenting on relevant things.

I've done ok at reading Benmage in the past, if I remember right.

[Tierce]

Shadoweh's "Then again I am a terrible judge of character" and "may not be good enough to do this" self deprecation posts sound town.

Nothing she hasn't done as scum before.

[Tammy]

Yes, timing.

Also, the read you gave was very lazy. Considering what I've seen of TownTammy/Blue, color me underwhelmed.

Well, I'll *try* to coordinate whatever few minutes I have here and there this week to fit some better timing according to your schedule for what seems appropriate or I'll continue to post when I have the time.

The read I gave probably was lazy. I know how I read empire, and I probably wouldn't explain it under normal circumstances but some people think he's scum for some reason, so I explained it as best I can for how I read empire.

And I really don't want to hear about what you expect from towntammy. I was very upfront about how little I'd be able to give to this game this week. If this weekend comes around and I haven't given what you expect from town Tammy complain to me then. (hint: you won't have to...I'm town)

[Konowa]

Does Tammy normally overreact like this?