Micro 134 (F11) (Game Over!)

[Sotty7]

Sotty, why do you think I'm town? I'd like to see more of your analysis. Also, can you explain why Jason is town?

Tone and gut is all I got. I just don't see scum arguing with Rach the way you did. Though it does always make my skin crawl when people ask "why do you think I am town?" but I get the question. I like trusting my early reads, they often turn out to be right.

I'm revoking Jason's town read now actually. I think I pulled the trigger too easy there. Leaning scum.

I am sheeping CES because I'm full of cold and can't really formulate much of an opinion right now outside a couple of reads and sheeping CES is a great move in my situation. Expect more of an actual response over the weekend when hopefully I am better.

[RachMarie]

Get well soon Sotty, I hope its not the bug I have been fighting with the past couple of weeks

[Tierce]

Hey Rach, what about some game content? Links are fine and good, but they are not game-relevant, and you've been doing precisely nothing for half your posts now.

[Sixty]

Hey Rach, what about some game content? Links are fine and good, but they are not game-relevant, and you've been doing precisely nothing for half your posts now.

Woof.

[Sixty]

Tone and gut is all I got. I just don't see scum arguing with Rach the way you did.

Actually

... This is an instance in which his indignation had

nothing

to do with his alignment, just that he thought he was being misrepresented. Even scum can get angry if they think they are being portrayed in a way they do not deserve, so we don't see that RachMarie/FourTrouble interaction pointing to FourTrouble-Town in any manner. It's a person-matter, not an alignment-matter.

[RachMarie]

LOL Tierce

Give me a bit and I will do more game content. Pinky Promise.

[Dazed and Confused]

Sixty, the lack of concrete stances is a fair point (although not alignment-indicative for some players)--I didn't like that he asked us that question but never actually said if he had a read on us. But even though he doesn't mention stances on

every

single player (who doesn't?), the questions he's asking are all tied into the directions he seems to be heading in his scumhunting--he's clearly not just blindly poking at people. And call me a sucker for gut and tone, I guess. He says lots of stuff that looks like he's actually scumhunting and thinking about the game. For example, this is super town:

Dazed and Confused, to answer your questions, I called Rach scum because she was making claims about my play that are not true and can be used to call my credibility into question. I actually saw another player do the same thing in a game I just played and, big surprise, he was scum. I didn't mention her "opportunistic" vote on Jason at first because I didn't read it as something scummy at first, looking at things in retrospect often helps solidify my reads.

I also thought his paranoia of CES and his

wanting

him to be town felt organic.

Sotty, am I imagining that you downplayed CES's play in Sherlock Mafia?

[Dazed and Confused]

Yet another EBWOP (this head has posted more

corrections

to posts than first drafts of them):

he's clearly not just

blindly

mechanically poking at people arbitrarily.

[Dazed and Confused]

Care to make a good vote now, Staggered and Stunned?

If you suspect jason, then why is a vote on him a bad one? (And "not as good as a Nacho or Josh" vote doesn't count as a reason.)

[FourTrouble]

Sixty, I was pretty explicit about the fact that I'm unsure about either of CES/Josh/Nacho. I don't see how that makes me scummy though. Am I supposed to fake having a stance on certain players when I don't actually have one? And why are you construing my lack of certainty with a lack of interest?

[FourTrouble]

Josh is right that he basically lurks in all his games so that's a null tell.

[Dazed and Confused]

Thanks for the games Rach, will look through them tomorrow when I'm far less exhausted. Expect the big obnoxious wall then.

[Sixty]

Sixty, I was pretty

explicit

implicit

about the fact that I'm unsure about either of CES/Josh/Nacho

/Sotty7/jasonT/D&C

.

Also, this puppy isn't really following a lot of post 131. There wasn't much direction to a lot of that post.

[Nachomamma8]

My main issue is that you seem distant/disengaged, you ask some questions but you don't appear like you care about the answers. For example, you seemed interested in the whole FT/Rach argument when you asked FT something in #47 but there's no sign that you've considered his response. Basically, the impression I'm getting is that you're trying to seem busy and contributory but you're not genuinely/actively scumhunting.

That's a problem that can easily be fixed. It's not that I'm not paying attention; I'm just holding the dragon back for a bit so I can get some other stuff done.

Oh and Nacho, justifying the CES vote as a "feeling" ain't gonna fly, not when the vote came at a really suspicious time (e.g., when the pressure started to mount against you).

It will fly for a little while longer because it's a good feeling.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

If you suspect jason, then why is a vote on him a bad one? (And "not as good as a Nacho or Josh" vote doesn't count as a reason.)

I think the conclusion here is obvious.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Sixty, I was pretty

explicit

implicit

about the fact that I'm unsure about either of CES/Josh/Nacho

/Sotty7/jasonT/D&C

.

Also, this puppy isn't really following a lot of post 131. There wasn't much direction to a lot of that post.

That all seems fine this early in the game though?

[Sixty]

Sixty, I was pretty

explicit

implicit

about the fact that I'm unsure about either of CES/Josh/Nacho

/Sotty7/jasonT/D&C

.

Also, this puppy isn't really following a lot of post 131. There wasn't much direction to a lot of that post.

That all seems fine this early in the game though?

Not really.

[Sotty7]

Tone and gut is all I got. I just don't see scum arguing with Rach the way you did.

Actually

... This is an instance in which his indignation had

nothing

to do with his alignment, just that he thought he was being misrepresented. Even scum can get angry if they think they are being portrayed in a way they do not deserve, so we don't see that RachMarie/FourTrouble interaction pointing to FourTrouble-Town in any manner. It's a person-matter, not an alignment-matter.

I'll take another look. I take it you have a scum read of Four?

Sotty, am I imagining that you downplayed CES's play in Sherlock Mafia?

Yup you're imagining it. Just wanted his slot lynched is all. CES is a good player and I learn from my lessons. I would have sheeped Vi, but I didn't really like the Puppy's first few posts, but it did get better later. Meh.

[Zachrulez]

5th vote count of day 1:

Josh Lyman - 3 (Sixty, RachMarie, JasonT1981)
Nachomamma8 - 3 (Cogito Ergo Sum, Sotty7, Dazed and Confused)
Cogito Ergo Sum - 1 (Nachomamma8)
RachMarie - 1 (FourTrouble)

Not Voting: (Josh Lyman)

Deadline: (expired on 2013-03-11 14:30:00)

[Zachrulez]

JasonT1981 has been prodded.

[jasonT1981]

wow thought I had posted Yesterday. FourTrouble... your reaction was that of what I would expect of scum in a OMGUS and seemingly paranoia jumping onto the person who votes you

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

No? FT's only vote was for RM who didn't vote for him.

[jasonT1981]

Yea, ignore that... I was responding to him, in another game..... blagh ffs. I am in two games with him atm and I had two windows open

Mod Note: Duplicate post deleted.

[RachMarie]

I don't think FT is scum I think he is misguided. I need to look at scum games of his though. The fact of the matter is FT, not everyone who suspects you is scum, and not everyone who says you are town is town.

It is something I learned well in my first game N 1206. Dude (Meta) went way beyond wking me to making me unlynchable. It cost us the game because I made the mistake of voting for Elmo instead. My biggest mistake in that game though was not protecting Uber every night he was the Cop. And I was the Doc....

[jasonT1981]

Normal weekend V/LA