/in-vitational 12: Mafia in #YOLOville - All wrapped up!

[Vi]

Tierce, Shadoweh, T/S

[Faraday]

Day 1, Votecount 12

Nachomamma8 (1) - N
penguin_alien (2) - Llamarble, Deasvail
Deasvail (1) - Konowa
Shadoweh (1) - WickedestJr

Llamarble (4) - Empire, CrashTextDummie, Vi, penguin_alien

Johhog (2) - Nachomamma8, Tammy
Empire (1) - Shadoweh
N (1) - Tierce
Vi (2) - Benmage, Cogito Ergo Sum

Not voting (1) :

Johhog

• With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 5th of March at 00:38am GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-03-04 20:30:28)
  
• Tierce is V/la

[Tierce]

Tierce, Shadoweh, T/S

I can tell that a lot of work went into the first half of that read.

Why the second?

[Vi]

<.<

There's a certain threshold where I go from cryptic to incomprehensible.

Tierce: What is your alignment read on Shadoweh?

[Tierce]

...Oh. It needed a question mark.

Currently, scum. Wouldn't lynch Today.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I'll look at Vi's meta again later since I'm going out tonight. I remember you were in all the games I looked at though (Black Flag, Chrono Trigger Resurrection, Tierce's Micro, etc.) so you might want to take a look at those too.

Did you not get that I was asking you to write up a little something to impress the young'uns? I can't do that myself as I have morals.

Also, I get the feeling that if I were CES, I'd be townreading Llamarble right now. Meh.

CES, thoughts on Konowa?

That's oddly (beautifully?) specific.

Konowa looks fine.

[Vi]

Tierce: How strongly do you feel about N?

[Tierce]

Tierce: How strongly do you feel about N?

It's my strongest scumread, followed by Konowa.

There can only be one Australian in the game and Regfan is waiting in the wings.

[Vi]

Okay then.

Unvote: Llamarble
Vote: N

(L-7)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

DeasVail is totes Australian, Tierce.

[Tierce]

Well then lynch him too.

[CrashTextDummie]

Llamarble:

Post 49 remains a scum pattern match for me; in addition to the link making it feel like a construction instead of a collection of thoughts, here's an attack on X but let's vote Y tends to gnaw at me.

This feels like you're inventing reasons to justify a bad vote after the fact. It's not a good reason either as I was not attacking one person while voting another, but rather attacking two persons and voting one of them. I can hardly vote for two people at once.

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Empire:

CTD: I initially liked the way he came across in his early posts w.r.t. his vote on me but I'm not a fan of #189 at all, it feels like he's trying to fan the flames of the argument Shadoweh and I have been having while at the same time expressing his support for a Llamarble wagon.

Why do you have a problem with this? It's not like I'm just paying lip service to the Llamarble wagon, my vote is there. You're using awfully suggestive lingo here to characterize my post; why do you think I'm "trying to fan the flames" of your argument (implying a scum motivation) as opposed to me trying to call attention to the argument because I can see a scummy mindset behind it from either or both players? Unless I've missed it, you haven't commented on the fact that Shadoweh is subjecting you to a pretty well established logical fallacy and are seemingly just riding with it, which somewhat baffles me. She appears neither among your town, nor your scum reads. What's your read on her?

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Llamarble's reads are fairly weaksauce to me, but considering how early in the game we are, that's not terribly surprising. I have one other question for him though:

Empire, Deasvail, CrashTextDummie, Vi, penguin_alien is probably the lynchpool for today.

Why does your proposed lynchpool not match up with your suspect list?

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I can see N scum. Purposeful uselessness is not a viable town strategy and every experienced player should know this. Posts like this one (smilie and all) is something I associate quite heavily with scum play. And this nugget:

I don't understand the penguin wagon and I refuse to respond to it.

is almost offensively contradictory.

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Shadoweh has done nothing to alleviate my concerns about her and is developing into a top suspect for me. Apart from from her fallacious attack against Empire, she has not done any scumhunting so far and is seemingly going out of her way to ignore all relevant aspects of the game, most notably the Llamarble wagon.

Guess I'll check out [...] the main wagon even though I don't feel interested in him which is usually my subconscious telling me to sleep through reading town lynches.

I am actually not quite sure how to read this sentence, but I think what she's saying here is that she "subconsciously" sees Llamarble as a town lynch waiting to happen, and if that's the case, she should have been doing something to counteract the wagon. Her previous excuse for not commenting on the wagon was that she had a null read on him, so I don't think this is terribly consistent either.

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It has been my observation lately that games suffer from a lack a strong wagons on D1 and I see the pattern repeated so far in this one. I think it's to the detriment of the town that the Llamarble wagon has petered out without ever being challenged by a viable counter-wagon and I'd really like to see people apply some weightier votes. I'm supporting whichever out of N and Shadoweh takes off first and might be open to others pending a reread (people like Johhog, Konowa and Wickedestjr in particular have kind of been flying under my radar). I am not currently interested in a Vi wagon though.

unvote, vote: N

[Konowa]

This has been a bad week for me, so if there is -stuff-, address me. I'm responding to stuff I remember.

I know how some other scummers perceive how I play, this regards initially to my page two town read on Tierce, I know she thinks I'm paranoid of her. (Even though MLP and Mafia in Trip say otherwise). I don't know if this is entirely true, I've never played with her her as scum. Her DV vote is what I would have done as Town, so as reaction I wanted to see how she responded to me calling her Town early and then brushing off the "wtfcritwallz". I think Tierce is Town. I'm not certain, but I think Tierce and I have played versus as much as any other person in this list.

Tammy mentioned I can read DV? Don't know how much this is true? Twice you've said this. I think I have a couple markers for DV as Scum, don't know how reliable they are outside of normal Scum markers. If you are relying on Zar, I would question why you think I can read DV?

These were my two biggest markers heading into today. I'll respond more when not Vodka.

[Tierce]

Even though MLP and Mafia in Trip

On the first, I died N1, you were barely active, never had to read me. On the second, I was ridiculously obvTown and was a triggered Innocent Child that was confTown before the end of D1. Are you seriously using these games as any sort of evidence as to how you read me, especially since are the first ones you played with me and there is later evidence that you

are

indeed paranoid of me?

Here, you Townread me from one post, two at the most--now you're adding further reasoning, but this is what

actually

happened

before

the Benmage-wall situation:

Would also vote Konowa at this point. But first I need to figure out what is going on in his avatar.

Why Konowa?

Bear with me a moment. Quotes are just for reference of what happened and

oh god I swear I'm not walling on page 2.

O hey this opened when I wasn't looking.

There may have been a lot of capslock rejoicing in Faraday's general direction. ^__^ He's (kind of) forgiven for #YOLOville.

My usual approach is useless here. One

might

lurk through the first few pages, the other

I'm shooting Tonight

but then I won't have Sveta to look at anymore, woe

I can't read on D1. Also etc.

Please be Town.

Let's try something not so different~

VOTE: Shadoweh

One phoenix per game, dearie.

This was my first post in the game. Apparently there was nothing in it worth thinking I'm Town, since Konowa posts several times between this and my next post without any such joy at noticing the obvious.

Boring, the lot of you.

UNVOTE: Shadoweh
VOTE: DeasVail

Yay, Tierce is Town.

/inb4 snark was there any doubt reply

...Really? I mean, I know I'm bad at scum, but this was

one post

, and I'm not

that

bad at scum that I do not detect poison wagons. What is more, Town Konowa is incredibly paranoid about me. See Dresdenafia, Maf.Rarefaction Segunda, and so on. Here Konowa "realizes" I'm Town after a post that is as bland as they come. ...What?

I'm not buying the legitimacy of that Townread in the least.

[Konowa]

Welcome to my side?

[Konowa]

Even though I read you as Town page Two of Trip, -before- you were Town. Hey?

[Tierce]

Where? The earliest evidence of a Townread from you is on 101, given 164. Hardly page 2.

[Konowa]

Phone. Bear with me.

[Tierce]

I don't know if that means "wait", which I'm fine with, or "I have no idea about the pages I'm talking about", which is far different. Getting a Townread several pages into the game is not that remarkable, but calling me Town on Post 28 and having yet to provide evidence for that read

at the time

without just saying a vaguety vague "early game tells" that has no meat to it, THAT is remarkable, a word that in this context means "scummy".

[Konowa]

If you are really looking for me to justify a gut Town read on page two where I liked your vote and then triend to further a read by means of meta, then I don't know what to say. Or are you just paranoid? HEY?

Whole time, I'm not worried about your read on me Tierce. We've been wrong on each other recently and I believe if you're -not- Town it'll show soon enough.

[Konowa]

Probably not the post you were looking for, but?

[Konowa]

unvote;

[Tierce]

Damn right I expect you to be able to explain this kind of stuff:

Whole time though, I think the reality is that I feel like I'm getting better at picking up early game tells.

This is not "gut". This is something I did, which you're refusing to specify, though you have no problem pointing out stuff

afterwards

. The problem is the timing for that Townread, coming from who it comes, and the fact that you are unable to explain its origin

at all

.

Color me red, but unimpressed.

[Tierce]

I expect you weighing in on this later on, Empire.

[Konowa]

I'll throw back one for you, Fierce.