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[Cub Daigoro]

It's as simple as that.

Okay, I understand your case now. I would simplify it further as "gut". Fair?

Insofar as every case ever made by anyone in the history of the game of mafia can be simplified to "gut," fair.

No, just the ones that boil down to "seems fake". There's no argument against that because it's just a gut feeling. All I can do is contradict you and say no, you're wrong, I really am interested in NS's responses.

[Belisarius]

It's as simple as that.

Okay, I understand your case now. I would simplify it further as "gut". Fair?

Understanding a case against you, what is this? and then just discrediting it to gut, I don't like that at all.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Cub Daigoro

OK,

now

my CD vote is no longer random. Trying to understand the thought processes of others is how you read them.

[Cub Daigoro]

my CD vote

I don't think that abbreviation is going to work in this game...

[Cheery Dog]

It's as simple as that.

Okay, I understand your case now. I would simplify it further as "gut". Fair?

Understanding a case against you, what is this? and then just discrediting it to gut, I don't like that at all.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Cub Daigoro

OK,

now

my CD vote is no longer random. Trying to understand the thought processes of others is how you read them.

He understands what is put against him, therefore I believe that means he does actually know what he has been doing is fake. I probably wouldn't have had a problem with him doing it, except that he's gone and tried to turn the case into "gut".

[Belisarius]

my CD vote

I don't think that abbreviation is going to work in this game...

Oh, merde

[Apozzle]

Eh. Implosion's case does seem to be based on a gut feeling, though. His 'explanation' is that he has a seemingly arbitrary feeling that (on this particular occasion) Cub's behaviour is scummy (although it isn't something that he generally considers scummy). So, yea, that is pretty much entirely gut.

Not keen on Cheery supporting the relatively flimsy case against Cub so fervently, so I'll leave my vote where it is and declare it no longer random.

[Nobody Special]

I just read your iso and failed to come up with any kind of reason to vote me.

Would you [like] to provide some reasoning now?

Out of your seven posts, one has content. It consisted of an OMGUS vote that you described as RVS well past RVS (IMO). You've done literally nothing else. I see no reason to move my vote.

There are two players with fewer posts than I, currently.

What are your reads on them?

[goodmorning]

There are six players with fewer posts than I, currently.

FTFY

[Cub Daigoro]

What are your reads on them?

Mostly null. Are you suggesting I move my vote to one of them?

[Nobody Special]

There are six players with fewer posts than I, currently.

FTFY

I know I'm bad at math, but damn. Even I'm not

that

bad.

Oh, look, there're players who haven't joined us yet. My bad.


Cub: No. I'm just wondering how your criteria work.

[Cub Daigoro]

Your content/post count ratio pings my scumdar.

[implosion]

Your content/post count ratio pings my scumdar.

Bullshit, good sir.

You didn't find me scummy after post 32.

[Belisarius]

Am I the only one now picturing implosion with a top hat and monocle?

[Nobody Special]

.....yes.

[implosion]

Eh. Implosion's case does seem to be based on a gut feeling, though. His 'explanation' is that he has a seemingly arbitrary feeling that (on this particular occasion) Cub's behaviour is scummy (although it isn't something that he generally considers scummy). So, yea, that is pretty much entirely gut.

If this is your definition of gut, then I'd challenge you to find a single argument in any mafia game ever played anywhere that was not based on gut.

Sure, I may not have elaborated in-depth: however, my argument still stands. In fact, I'm in the mood, I might as well attempt to quantify what I felt about those two posts.

@NS

, Why no vote in play?

Every action contains some kind of motivation. The town motivation for asking a question is to glean information that is determinative of alignment; the non-town motivation is to look like you're doing things. Which does this look like? What information from this question could be gleaned that is indicative of NS's alignment? NS probably doesn't have any particularly amazing reason for not having voted. But the more important point here is Cub's focus on NS, rather than paying attention to anyone else. Cub's first four posts are all either about or directed at NS. They effectively ignore everything else in the game. And here, we find a mafia motivation for Cub's question: that it allowed him to ignore everything for the first two pages of the game. This means fewer things that Cub has to directly respond to without getting to see others' responses, which lowers his odds of being "caught" from a psychological perspective.

Yes, this is kind of abstract, but really, if you're expecting a more concrete response to why I find this post scummy, then lol.

Vote: Cub Daigoro

Happy now?

I'd be happier if a reason accompanied it.

Reading this again I actually see another reason beyond my original that this pings my scumdar: its phrasing. He doesn't try to find out the reason. He doesn't imply that NS is scum, or town. He doesn't imply that NS's lack of reason is relevant to anything. Effectively he does nothing. This passive phrasing is scummy because townies are attempting to, again, glean alignment information - rather than phrase the question in a way that implies that he wants to know what NS's reason is, he's just kind of whining at NS for a reason. This whining is scummy because it indicates that Cub is more concerned with defending himself than he is with determining others'- most notably, NS's, since NS is the only person Cub had talked about - alignments.

But going back to my original point, his obsession with only talking about NS allows him to ignore everything else. See the above point. Et ceterum.

tl;dr

Cub's actions in the above two posts are more easily explained by him being scum who wanted an excuse to not talk about the thread than they are explained by him being town who genuinely wanted to scumhunt.

[Cub Daigoro]

allowed him to ignore everything for the first two page

What makes you think I'm ignoring everything that I'm not focusing on?

[Cub Daigoro]

Your content/post count ratio pings my scumdar.

Bullshit, good sir.

You didn't find me scummy after post 32.

Are you saying your posts lacked content at that point?

[implosion]

allowed him to ignore everything for the first two page

What makes you think I'm ignoring everything that I'm not focusing on?

Your post is a bit odd. It uses the present tense, whereas I was using the past tense.

Are you saying your posts lacked content at that point?

Absolutely.

[Cub Daigoro]

What makes you think I was ignoring everything I wasn't focusing on?

All of your posts have contained more than the equivalent of "Hi, I am here." Content.

[implosion]

What makes you think I was ignoring everything I wasn't focusing on?

Because you didn't say a single word about anything that wasn't NS.

All of your posts have contained more than the equivalent of "Hi, I am here." Content.

I basically trolled for my first 9 posts.

[Cub Daigoro]

You "trolled". NS did nothing. How are you drawing an equivalency here?

[implosion]

Your content/post count ratio pings my scumdar.

I don't consider trolling content. I consider content to mean things that are productive.

[Cub Daigoro]

Your content/post count ratio pings my scumdar.

I don't consider trolling content. I consider content to mean things that are productive.

It seemed productive to me, or at least potentially so, so it didn't ping my scumdar. In any case, you've clearly been posting content since. You're making a huge stretch implying that my response to NS is fake because I didn't respond to you the same way.

If NS does something particularly townish or if someone else does something that seems scummier than active lurking, I will switch my vote, but not before then.

[SafetyDance]

None of the above. In fact, it contained intent.

*anagrams*
right it's just a coincident that your vote wasn't on the person you were calling scummy, got ya.

Wait dammit I don't have enough T. Tents are silly places to be in anyway.

Elaborate for the masses please.

I tried thinking of a synonym to random that contained the word "intent", however there weren't enough T's to be right. Then there was a pun on

in

TENT to show that my whole post was a useless joke, obviously that didn't work and/or you're still tired.

Probably both.

I agree with the case made by Implosion in Post #67

That said, Cub's Post #71 is accurate as well.

Actually, I think you're both looking town at the moment.

UNVOTE
VOTE:Nobody Special

Post count is nice but substance would be nice. Don't you have any reads?

[SafetyDance]

We have two players that haven't even confirmed in yet too. ac1983fan and Messiah have at least confirmed but their last posts on the site were inning into this game. Considering it null,

for now

but would like them to post soon.