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[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I'm thinking in Days moreso than days.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Speaking of Nacho, one of the things that sticks out in my mind plus in research is he tends to hard bus his scum buddy One of the reasons I would like to wait til he can speak is to see if he does that. Would help us get both of the scum in one swoop.

[Sixty]

Speaking of Nacho, one of the things that sticks out in my mind plus in research is he tends to hard bus his scum buddy One of the reasons I would like to wait til he can speak is to see if he does that. Would help us get both of the scum in one swoop.

Way to spoil your hand before you even play it!

FourTrouble, yes, we are totally defending Rach, you got us. The slot that is accusing RachMarie of not producing any sort of verifiable content that pertains to the game is the slot that is defending her. Though yes, the RachMarie votes from you and Sotty came into account when voting either of you, but not because you are voting her, but because the votes are

bad

. Your reads in particular amount to "Town: people I agree with; scum: people I don't understand/don't agree with". That's not scumhunting, that's going where the flow leads you. You don't have to AGREE with someone, you have to see if it makes sense coming from Town with

their

point of view, their experiences and their situation. The fact that you are not doing this makes your reads exceedingly superficial, and leads to stuff like "Sixty is defending RachMarie!" instead of looking at the reasoning we have for each vote and read.

[RachMarie]

CES I spent quite some time looking for you as scum, was hard to find very many games. One thing though that stuck out in my mind was in the couple of games I did find, you actually spoke more than you do as town. I know it is not much, but it reinforces my town read on you.

[Sixty]

By the way, Rach, that Nacho comment is STILL not content. Again. Whatever your alignment, I'll be quite disappointed if this game turns out to be a repeat of the newbie game I modded where you were an IC. Shape it up. You don't need to go on mega tours of meta research, but you have to provide content that is pertinent to this game instead of just coasting with promises of 'stuff' to come.

[RachMarie]

Most of my experience is with the Tierce head of Sicty. Calling herself obvtown is definitely something she has done as town. If you ISO the link I gave you on N 1236, you will see her making several references as being obvtown and assuming she would be NKed. The fact they have pushed on me to provide more content, while seeing me as town, further reinforced my town read on them. They are not giving me a free pass here. (Something that FT missed in his rant).

FT is probably Town too. He seems to show a bit of paranoia which makes more sense from a town PoV than a scum one. He needs to stop reacting so emotionally though and work on solidifying his reads more. Not everyone who believes you are Town is your friend and not everyone who questions you is your enemy. If you are Town, and I do have a weak town read on you, I am not your enemy.

Pedit and once again the Tierce head shows she is Town.

[jasonT1981]

back - post soon

[RachMarie]

Moving onto D and C.

Your walls are not that bad at all and yes I read them, I did far worse walls in my first game, until I got totally reamed for it by Uber. (Don't worry Sotty I will not do walls like that again). A few points that stick out in my mind when reading your ISO

1. Your willingness to defer to the other hydra for a read on you. Town points for that. I would think scum would not be as willing to say something like that. One because there is a risk of getting lynched for it, and if it is their scum bud could get them both lynched.

2. The confusion on reads definitely sounds more like genuine confusion especially with the amount of effort and time in trying to sort them out. More Town points.

3. The fact that you actually read the links and are trying to meta me is impressive, and I just can't see scum messing with that. They would have focused on a few of the scum games and picked points from them that seemed to match my play here to prove I was scum. Instead it was clear that you two were reading from a balanced PoV trying to genuinely figure me out. More Town points.

[Sotty7]

Can we just cut though the crap and get your scum reads and reasons for why? That would be most excellent.

[Sixty]

The -ty head will be V/LA until March 3.

[Sixty]

Six half taking over.

We were caught up in the heat of the moment when we voted Sotty. Let's correct that.

Unvote: Sotty7
Vote: FourTrouble

(L-4)

1) "Why are you picking on me being scummy when Rach is doing it too but

worse

?"
2) All reads on other players are based on whether he would think it himself (216). It's ineffective at best and lazy at worst.
3) "After reading I think that the scum team is in over half the other players."
4) Overall weak posts down the line.

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Hay Empire. /)
Since we're Town and everything, would you like to work together on cutting this game apart?

[Zachrulez]

9th vote count of day 1:

Nachomamma8 - 2 (Cogito Ergo Sum, Dazed and Confused)
Josh Lyman - 2 (RachMarie, JasonT1981)
JasonT1981 - 2 (Nachomamma8, FourTrouble)
RachMarie - 1 (Sotty7)
FourTrouble - 1 (Sixty)

Not Voting: (Josh Lyman)

Deadline: (expired on 2013-03-11 14:30:00)

[jasonT1981]

Can we just cut though the crap and get your scum reads and reasons for why? That would be most excellent.

this, too much talk of past games and meta is really putting me off!

[FourTrouble]

Sixty, you're twisting my words and misrepresenting what I'm saying

Your 4 points are retarded:

1) You were calling me scummy while implicitly defending Rach. You only attacked Rach much later in the game so your claim that you were accusing Rach totally takes your accusation of Rach and your attack on me out of context. The issue here is WHEN those things happened.
2) You're misrepresenting me. I'm not going around calling everyone who disagrees with me scummy and the fact I haven't called you scum makes that pretty clear. I disagree and agree with different things but that's not what causes me to think certain people are scum or not. What I'm talking about is the thought process that people have, the reasoning behind thinking a certain way. Sotty's thought process mirrors mine and I find that a very good sign that Sotty is town because it is a perspective that comes from a town mindset. It isn't ineffective or lazy, it's pretty straight forward logic: if someone is thinking about the game in the same way (not just agreeing or disagreeing) as me, it is more likely to come from town than scum.
3) I have more town reads right now than scum reads. I have a hard time evaluating or dealing with people who post so little so my list of possible scum is quite large. I'm using POE and gradually narrowing down my list of scum or expanding it depending on how the game progresses.
4) You're not even saying what is weak about my posts. You just call them weak for no reason.

What bothers me about your posts is that you're calling my analysis ineffective/lazy when that's what yours are, it's straight up hypocrisy. You're applying these general tells (construing lack of certainty with lack of interest, for example) without evaluating the specific context of this game. What you're not taking into account is that most of the players here, especially Jason/Josh/Rach/CES/Sotty/Nacho gave very little indication of affiliation early on. Since then I've started to get a better feel for the game. What I don't understand and what you still haven't answered is why you targeted me specifically instead of Rach? I'm not talking about later when you finally started addressing Rach, I'm talking about back when you attacked me and for the next posts following that until you finally addressed Rach.

[FourTrouble]

The fact they have pushed on me to provide more content, while seeing me as town, further reinforced my town read on them. They are not giving me a free pass here. (Something that FT missed in his rant).

I saw that they were pushing you to provide more content. I also saw that they were seeing you are town, as you yourself see. That is the problem I have. I want to know WHY they think you are town. Something they still haven't answered.

[Sotty7]

We were caught up in the heat of the moment when we voted Sotty. Let's correct that.

You're still doing it wrong.

[RachMarie]

FT just went up a bit on his town read that last post is definitely totes Town.

Hold your horses Sotty I am getting there. Still have a few more ISOs to do.

[RachMarie]

Moving along to Sotty. Weaker Town read, partly because there is not much here due to her being sick (know the feeling well I have been sick for about 2 weeks now). But what is here seems to lay out her thought processes in a clear way to the rest of the players, and that seems more likely to be town that scum.

Leaning Town but needs to post more.

[Dazed and Confused]

Can we just cut though the crap and get your scum reads and reasons for why? That would be most excellent.

this, too much talk of past games and meta is really putting me off!

Really? Is this seriously all you have to say?

[Dazed and Confused]

Also, for the people who give a shit, FT only has one scum game on site which he flaked out of and barely posted, so there goes that whole avenue of discussion.

[Dazed and Confused]

Since we're Town and everything, would you like to work together on cutting this game apart?

Only if you vote Nacho or Jason, thanks in advance.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Also, for the people who give a shit, FT only has one scum game on site which he flaked out of and barely posted, so there goes that whole avenue of discussion.

But still a good sign.

[Dazed and Confused]

But still a good sign.

Not exactly. He's flaked from a ton of games as town, too, so it's not really alignment indicative.

[Zachrulez]

An error made on the 7th, 8th, and 9th vote counts has been corrected.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

But still a good sign.

Not exactly. He's flaked from a ton of games as town, too, so it's not really alignment indicative.

Not really the point I was going for. Makes it unlikely he's secretly pretty competent as scum.