Sixty, I'll cut you some slack for the Sotty vote (because Empire had the same "OMIGOD SO SCUM" reaction to her big catch-up post), but since you're town unless you've dramatically changed your scum play overnight, you have no excuse for posting this:
Your reads in particular amount to "Town: people I agree with; scum: people I don't understand/don't agree with". That's not scumhunting,
that's going where the flow leads you.
↑ Sixty wrote:2) All reads on other players are based on whether he would think it himself (216). It's ineffective at best and lazy at worst.
That's...not at all "going where the flow leads you" or "lazy" (and "ineffective" isn't a scumtell). I'm not arguing with you about it being poor play (at least, if you accept the premise that FT is guilty of this), but I hate you going the extra step of suggesting bogus motivations for why that behaviour is scummy. If anything, thinking favourably of people who mirror your thought process is something town are MUCH more likely to do! Do you really think it's credible that FT went, "I'm lazy scum, so it's too much work to make up fake reasons to suspect people! I'll save time by...making up fake opinions, and then extrapolating my other fake reads based on how closely these players match my set of fake opinions"?
I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but someone has to break the harsh truth to you: your case kind of sucks. FT is throwing out lots of newer player town tells (yeah, um, ignore what I said before; I'm back to thinking FT's obviously town again, because his more recent posts reinforce that impression). Most of your points against him really aren't alignment relevant. Why are you so stubborn about this read?
Bad dog! No walk for you today!
Update: our new suspect pool is {Nacho, Josh, jason, RachMarie}. (Like the old suspect pool, except minus Sotty and plus Rach.)
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What about my comment on CES suddenly doesn't seem genuine? And what do you mean you don't like that I insist the stuff I do isn't scummy? I haven't just gone around saying I'm not scummy just for the sake of saying it, it was directly in response to Sixty's attack.
I wasn't stating a scumread on you so much as waffling on a townread (I might have been jumping at shadows because of Sixty's case), and like I said above, I've since changed my mind. So these answers are kind of crappy, because I don't even agree with them anymore.
Anyway, I didn't change my mind on the "I really hope CES is town" part, but the "why is CES only attacking lurkers?" part (since I didn't think that was true--I missed that you'd explained the Nacho lurker thing). I also just got an oily/soft vibe on a reread of the second paragraph of
this post--maybe it was all the question marks. Sorry I don't have anything better than "gut." My gut reads can be really fluid; sometimes jump back and forth on the same post depending on my mood.
I don't think anyone
except for Tierce
just randomly announces that they're not scummy at all when they're not under attack. But I find certain kinds of overdefensiveness suspicious, because scum tend to be more concerned with self-preservation. (Yes, I know this isn't always true, but that's a debate for MD, not here.)
