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[Belisarius]

I've never been able to read NS.

[Cub Daigoro]

I don't understand 148, then. How can you say there's a reason (and if he's right, good) if you don't have a read on his alignment?

[Cub Daigoro]

EBWOP: I mean, it seems to me that the reasons would be very different for town and scum.

[Belisarius]

He's not answering because not everyone was meant to understand it; That could be coming from any alignment.

That's assuming that I correctly understand what NS was trying to say; if I'm right it's not something I'd mention at all.

I'm not saying what I think he meant because it would be useless WIFOM that we're better off without unless I'm actually right.

[Cub Daigoro]

...

Bringing up something you imply you shouldn't be talking about is... We will be coming back to this at some point.

[Cheery Dog]

He's not answering because not everyone was meant to understand it; That could be coming from any alignment.

Or he's not answering because he's gone on a lurk to look less foolish by bringing it up.
I don't think you can say anything about NS's reasons for not answering straight away, if he doesn't answer when he next posts, then fine so with your theory, but same alignment does not always mean town which I think you've taken it as.

[pieceofpecanpie]

...

Precisely my reaction...

I don't know how deep you think NS is going, Belisarius, but in my opinion he's one of the most annoying derp lurkers I've come across.

I take what he said to be as vague and empty as his presence.

[pieceofpecanpie]

@ac1983fan How now brown cow?

@Apozzle How's your

j'accuse

coming along on Cheery? Anyone else tickling your interest?

@implosion Your read on Safety? It was Safety who asserted I was NS' scumbuddy, what do you think of that and why shouldn't we be partner hunting now? I'm also wondering what you think of CheeryDog.

[Edosurist]

Guess who got a new charger.
Rereading...

[Gammagooey]

Votecount #4

Cub Diagoro (3) Nobody Special, implosion, Cheery Dog
SafetyDance (3) Messiah, Belisarius, pieceofpecanpie
Nobody Special (2) Cub Diagoro, goodmorning
pieceofpecanpie (2) SafetyDance, Zaicon
Cheery Dog (1) Apozzle
implosion (0)
goodmorning (0)
Zaicon (0)
Edosurist (0)
Apozzle (0)
ac1983fan (0
Belisarius (0)
Messiah (0)
Not Voting: Edosurist, ac1983fan

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline: Saturday, March 9th 1:00am EST

ac1983fan has been prodded and will be replaced if he doesn't post within 24 hours.

[Edosurist]

My highlight of the game so far:

That vote happened in the past.
Why are you so concerned with the past?

Overreaction much?

You're one to talk. Remember your second post in Mini 1394? It was your overreaction to MM suggesting that you had forehand knowledge of my alignment.

I had more detailed reads on the following before I lost it when I turned off my computer, so I'll give you this instead.
Quick reads:
implosion looks town, and his play also looks very similar to Mini 1394, in which he was also town. By the way, I don't imagine him wearing a monocle.
Cub is weak scum for the tunneling on NS.
I'm not liking NS and Belisarius's active lurking. They make posts, but there's very little content to them. I'm hesitant to give a read beyond that, at least for NS, because I always think he's scum when I read/play with him for exactly for that reason, and I'm sure he's not scum in ever game he plays...

---

Hang on, why FOS instead of putting you're vote there? In fact, why would you not, unless you're actually worried about a wagon forming and not wanting to vote your scum buddy

FOS (vote): pieceofpecanpie

So you unvote your sure scumpick to vote someone you believe is scum by association to him?
wtf?
This is wrong. From your way of thought, NS is scum. Then you suggest that pecan is scum because he was too cautious to actually vote NS, his partner.
That assertion is a stretch, and you unvoted who you believe is scum in both scenarios to do it.

I'd also say that you appear to have overreacted, but in a different way.
Within the course of 5 hours, you made 7 posts. 7 fairly long ones, mind you.
It's mainly directed at pecanpie, but it also has things like this:

You're sheeping and you have a policy against policy lynching. The irony.

What you quoted wasn't nearly a policy vote. It looks like you were hasty to respond to another person joining your wagon.

VOTE: SafetyDance

Also, I'm curious. Why haven't you mentioned Apozzle once if you have a strict lurker = scum policy?

[ac1983fan]

I AM SO TOTALLY SORRY OH MY GOD I THOUGHT I HAD THIS SET UP TO EMAIL ME I AM SO SORRY

[Apozzle]

Oh there we go. I was wondering how long it would take before people raised questions about my activity. I've been hyperlurking because I've been writing back to back midterms this week and couldn't take the time out to put together a long post like I wanted to. That is forthcoming sometime in the next 48ish hours. In the meantime I will try to make some shorter posts.

What I want to say right now is that, given that I posted almost immediately at the start of the game and have only made one post since, I feel as if people should have started questioning my status sooner. I would have thought my lurkerness would make me a pretty questionable character (at least to some of you). It looks to me like there is some frownable tunneling going on here.

Furthermore, my "real" vote for Cheery had a very weak basis at the time that I made it, so I'm removing it for now. It was, in reality, mostly just a vote for vote's sake. A spur of the moment thing. I'll replace it later after I've written up my analysis and reevaluted its validity.

Unvote.

[Edosurist]

ac, anything you wanna say? I don't see you reading the thread right now...

[ac1983fan]

Someone's likely to hit scum in RVS. Why not me?

Why you? What makes you so special?

Nope. I have only weak townreads (on you and implosion, for trying to end RVS) at this stage.

I find it highly ridiculous that one would have any read whatsoever on anyone at page 2 of a game.

Are you satisfied with NS's responses?

Not really, but two things. First of all, I've found NS historically difficult to read. Second of all, I found a better reason to vote for someone (namely, you).

If NS plays anything like he used to, then well, I don't think anyone can read him.

My point is that

in this specific situation

, I believe that your prodding at NS is a product of you not wanting to do genuine scumhunting on other people, so that you can keep your vote passively on him.

I came to this conclusion by looking at your prodding and deciding that it didn't look genuine, or that it looked like excuses to not move your vote rather than questions that you sincerely want to know the answers to.

It's as simple as that.

I think this is grasping at straws.

I just read your iso and failed to come up with any kind of reason to vote me.

Would you [like] to provide some reasoning now?

Out of your seven posts, one has content. It consisted of an OMGUS vote that you described as RVS well past RVS (IMO). You've done literally nothing else. I see no reason to move my vote.

hahahahaahahahahaha people still say omgus. ~nothing ever changes, not even this forum~

It's as simple as that.

Okay, I understand your case now. I would simplify it further as "gut". Fair?

Insofar as every case ever made by anyone in the history of the game of mafia can be simplified to "gut," fair.

This; although we can use logical arguments and some info from power roles, ultimately all cases are based on some level of "gut."

my CD vote

I don't think that abbreviation is going to work in this game...

Oh, merde

Monsieur!

Am I the only one now picturing implosion with a top hat and monocle?

Not any more

You "trolled". NS did nothing. How are you drawing an equivalency here?

Because trolling and doing nothing are functionally equivalent? Also, NS ALWAYS does nothing. He's almost as completely useless as I am (almost.)

Ai, sorry for being tardy to the party, full time jobs and time zones will do that sort of thing.

You! I remember you. You play good.

Hang on, why FOS instead of putting you're vote there? In fact, why would you not, unless you're actually worried about a wagon forming and not wanting to vote your scum buddy

VOTE: : pieceofpecanpie

calm your horses bro

Here he is voting me for "busing" NS:

bussing

I would write my post now, but my computer won't charge, so I'm saving the battery for more important things... no offense to you guys.
In other words, I'm stuck to phone posting.

Posting from phones is, while not simple, possible, and if one is town one should be willing to deal with the frustration (I have)

Okay implosion, explain how it makes sense. Since I've overreacted to SafetyDance then you must be with him all the way on his logic

Absolutely not. You can overreact to a completely terrible case. Me saying you overreacted has absolutely no bearing on my opinion of the case in question. I

haven't actually read safetydance

and i'm busy at the moment but i'll read him later.

(emphasis mine)
what

Everyone if safety flips scum I'd look to implosion as a partner.

what

I think (which is why I mentioned it) that FOS are weak excuses from players who don't wish to vote but want to appear like they are scum-hunting to throw fake reads out there. As town, you're only ability in this game is to vote, so no, I don't see any town-motivation to not vote someone. Especially this early in the game.

Dumb. Voting is the only power the town has - but with great power comes great responsibility. And sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. And I think this is the start of a beautiful friendship.
(Seriously though conservative voting is a completely legitimate playstyle which I myself use; I prefer to

ask questions

let the smart people ask questions first; shoot later.)

This may be premature, but it seems to me that Cub and Zaicon are the same alignment. I'm much less willing to lump SafetyDance into that grouping, but it's possible.

premature and foolish

This may be premature, but it seems to me that Cub and Zaicon are the same alignment. I'm much less willing to lump SafetyDance into that grouping, but it's possible.

And what makes you say that?

And like that...

[imgIMAGEREMOVEDBECAUSEREASONS/img]

..he's gone

You gave him six hours bro.

ac, anything you wanna say? I don't see you reading the thread right now...

Maybe you should give me a couple of gosh darn minutes to go through the 7 pages??

Anyway yeah skimmed and these are just my initial reactions. Gonna try to fix my email settings now.

[Edosurist]

O.o
Mah bad. Didn't see you in the users browsing list.
Re: 119, implosion explained what he meant already. He hadn't MADE a read on him. He has read his posts, though.
That'd actually be interesting, boycotting someone for a whole game. Not very pro-town, but different.

So you say implosion is grasping at straws? I agree with you Re: 67, but what do you think about Cub's tunneling?

[Cub Daigoro]

Someone's likely to hit scum in RVS. Why not me?

Why you? What makes you so special?

I'm special because I'm the only one who gets a question from you that doesn't sound rhetorical.

That quote specifically means I'm

not

special, but I'm just as likely as anyone else to have hit scum on RVS, so there's no reason I should have arbitrarily moved my vote if I was unsatisfied by NS's responses just because it was an RVS vote.

[Cub Daigoro]

If NS plays anything like he used to, then well, I don't think anyone can read him.

I'm getting this same message from a lot of people.

So what's the plan, then, folks who are saying this? Lay off him until...? Sounds like just the kind of player to pressure early so we don't get screwed in LYLO.

[ac1983fan]

Apozzle:

What I want to say right now is that, given that I posted almost immediately at the start of the game and have only made one post since, I feel as if people should have started questioning my status sooner. I would have thought my lurkerness would make me a pretty questionable character (at least to some of you). It looks to me like there is some frownable tunneling going on here.

Expecting to be found scummy and pointing that out? Sounds kind of scummy.
Belsarius: you're hilarious but you're active lurking worse than NS. Also why did you draw attention to something by NS and then go "but we shouldn't talk about it"?? That's anti-town. Either keep it to yourself if you think we shouldn't discuss it atm, or discuss it fully.
CD: You're a cheery dog
CD: Don't like the dismissing of the case against you as gut.

Someone's likely to hit scum in RVS. Why not me?

Why you? What makes you so special?

I'm special because I'm the only one who gets a question from you that doesn't sound rhetorical.

That quote specifically means I'm

not

special, but I'm just as likely as anyone else to have hit scum on RVS, so there's no reason I should have arbitrarily moved my vote if I was unsatisfied by NS's responses just because it was an RVS vote.

it was rhetorical
(but I'm glad I could make you feel special wuw)
Edo:

ac, anything you wanna say? I don't see you reading the thread right now...

I think my online status might be hidden by default?? I'm not sure. I don't like creepers creepin'
Gamma: Clearly scum he's claimed and everything let's lynch him guys
goodmorning: Why are you voting NS? You've expressed no suspicion of him so far that I've read.

Yeah, it's that ac1983 fan who has yet to post.

THERE IS
NO
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE

in my username
implosion: Seems like you're throwing around suspicion at anything that sticks. or you're just really eager. I don't know. I don't like the smell of what you're cooking though (some of it smells OK I guess)
Messiah: In your one post you jump on the most recent wagon. You didn't add anything else nor say anything else about anyone else, which makes it seem like you just went to the most recent posts and tried to do something which made you look like you knew what was going on when you didn't really give two shits.
NS: Idgaf 'bout you.
POPP: - OH WE WERE MAFIA TOGETHER IN THAT GAME I GOT REPLACED IN WHEN I WAS HAVING A SHITTY TIME LAST SPRING sorry dude I really beat the big one that game glad Junpei and you were able to pull the win on that. I would have finished though if the mod would have responded to the PM I sent him :/
SafetyDance: You need to stop using that eye-rolling icon it is very annoying also you are making ridiculous cases.
Zaicon: Could you elaborate on what you "don't like" about POPP's reaction to SD? That's pretty fookin' vague.

If NS plays anything like he used to, then well, I don't think anyone can read him.

I'm getting this same message from a lot of people.

So what's the plan, then, folks who are saying this? Lay off him until...? Sounds like just the kind of player to pressure early so we don't get screwed in LYLO.

We could just lynch him now but I think that's technically anti-town and what not. But I think his play is generally anti-town. (but well my play is generally anti-town BUT I TRY DAMMIT I TRY SO HARD *sobs in corner*)

[Cheery Dog]

If NS plays anything like he used to, then well, I don't think anyone can read him.

I'm getting this same message from a lot of people.

So what's the plan, then, folks who are saying this? Lay off him until...? Sounds like just the kind of player to pressure early so we don't get screwed in LYLO.

Play however you think is best, he is still capable of being read, even if it's wrongly.

CD: You're a cheery dog

Is the the only thing you have to say about me? I feel left out.
(and this looks like it might be as bad as when I played with cooldog, weirdly my other game with Cub wasn't like it though, probably because he replaced in)

[ac1983fan]

CD: You're a cheery dog

Is the the only thing you have to say about me? I feel left out.
(and this looks like it might be as bad as when I played with cooldog, weirdly my other game with Cub wasn't like it though, probably because he replaced in)

interestingly enough I was going to say you were a cool dawg at first

[pieceofpecanpie]

Everyone if safety flips scum I'd look to implosion as a partner.

what

Heh, you could describe that as premature.

But unlike your comment to someone else, I don't think this was foolish. I thought implosion's response in #122 was particularly delicious, taking the bait and putting his own uppity defensive attitude on display. He's a contradictory mix of

"Yeah, I'm just hanging around here mostly giving troll responses"

to

"I don't spend every waking moment here! Have some patience."

I've made a note of his flippancy for later.

And like that...

..he's gone

You gave him six hours bro.

...And I watched him scoot around on the site elsewhere at will for those 6 hours as well. I've seen people needling him for days on end for thoughts, explanations, elaborations etc. for him to eventually swan in, give a crummy line or two and swan away again. Now I'm not going to turn into "that guy", the "you aren't active enough here" nazi, but I'd rather nip this in the bud quickly with NS. If he's got time to surf around the site, he's got time to come back here and give a follow-up to anything he's posted. Besides, it's not like we're playing fucking correspondence chess. Although there are oceans between us we live in an instantaneous age, of internet and magnets and shit.

If NS plays anything like he used to, then well, I don't think anyone can read him.

I'm getting this same message from a lot of people.

So what's the plan, then, folks who are saying this? Lay off him until...? Sounds like just the kind of player to pressure early so we don't get screwed in LYLO.

Previous response semi-related. And on that note I, for one, refuse to leave NS alive for LYLO.

[Cub Daigoro]

bussing

I wasn't going to say anything, but unless we're talking about an archaic word for kissing (kiss of death?) or perhaps a shortened version of shooting someone with a short-range scattershot musket (blunderbussing) rather than throwing under the bus, it should be busing, but I guess I can keep my pedantry in check if that's how it's spelled in the MafiaScum vernacular...

[Cub Daigoro]

I, for one, refuse to leave NS alive for LYLO.

What if he's confirmed town by then?

[ac1983fan]

bussing

I wasn't going to say anything, but unless we're talking about an archaic word for kissing (kiss of death?) or perhaps a shortened version of shooting someone with a short-range scattershot musket (blunderbussing) rather than throwing under the bus, it should be busing, but I guess I can keep my pedantry in check if that's how it's spelled in the MafiaScum vernacular...

i don't pronounce bussing the same as i do abusing, so i prefer the second s, while technically both are correct acc. to dictionary.com
but idgaf really i just think bussing matches the sound better and looks nicer