that the scum wouldn't have received fake claims with this much flavor? For everyone who just jumped off of PV, and for PV himself who said that his wagon sprang up quickly for no reason, tell me what is the reasoning behind TOWK wagon.
Thought so.
tl;dr - Lynching PV is the logical choice today and will result in dead scum.
oh now I remember why I stopped playing mafia. No one on here is good at it anymore.
'cept DDD of course.
Listen up young uns
, scum get fake claims, that's a fact. I don't understand this argument of "PV's reaction" makes him town. I do call it stubbornly hanging on RF. How did the way he claim make him more town for you? All he did was read a claim and give flavor to go along with that claim. Nothing more, nothing less. Tell me where i'm wrong.
↑Iecerint wrote:Your tirade didn't have anything to do with me.
You have also cut off the quote to mask that I say your tirade theory background is legit (even if I typically only voice it as scum). So much for wily discrediting!
Iecerint wrote:Re: VPBaltar's VT-claim tirade
-- It's true that we should lynch VT claims from a theory perspective (for the same reason that everyone shouldn't massclaim at the start of D1), though I've never actually made that argument in my life except as scum, SOOOO.
I cut it out because it's irrelevant to the point I was making, which is that you were using rhetoric to poison the well, which is true.
And yes, you should lynch VTs that claim in some cases. It just so happens in this case that PV is scum, so him claiming VT has nothing to do with why he should be lynched. Nor did I say it did.
That means I am giggling at your rhetorical dictionary-wielding.
It literally doesn't fit the definition of tirade. So either 1) you don't know the definition of the word, or 2) you're using rhetoric to bolster your position. I don't think it's the former, but I figured I may as well give it a chance.
It is kind of stupid HD, but in the end, Iec coming out to defend his scum buddy will just tar him after the flip. Sometimes you just have to give scum enough rope to hang themselves.
EXCEPT PerV WILL NO FLIP SCUM GIVEN WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE GAME.
I don't understand how you seeing yet another person claiming vanilla with similarities to PerV == PerV-scum.
Oh, that's right, you conveniently ignored that because you want to push the bullshit lynch.
More VP votes please.
"Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.
He's calling for a VT's lynch on the basis that we don't lose anything, "scum are given fake claims" so obvobv that means PV is fake-claiming scum (when we have had someone else say "yeah, I'm VT too and I got something similar") when we can't know they got fake claims for certain (unless VP flips scum, which I believe at this point he may), and majorly discrediting anyone that disagrees with him with confirmation-biased fail logic.
Why shouldn't you vote for him, FT?
"Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.
Chkflip, you're not making any sense. VP is not saying the fact that scum are given fake claims means PV is fake claiming, he's saying that it has no bearing whatsoever on PV's affiliation. He's calling PV scum for a completely different reason. Now, don't misinterpret this as me agreeing with VP, I'm actually inclined to agree with you PV is probably town and it is definitely premature to be calling for his death. That doesn't mean VP is scum though.
I'm not really feeling chkflip as scum so much as idiotic. What is your bad feeling about PV? Is it because his wagon gained steam quickly? I think the fact that it fell apart just as quickly over nothing is a bigger red flag personally.
Because scum make a focused effort to dismantle their wagons if they get too serious. It's hard to lynch scum on Day 1 because it's so easy for them to WIFOM their way out of the noose. Conversely, when a townie is being run up, there aren't multiple players banding together to divert the wagon and its much easier to make happen.
I can understand that sounding far fetched to you since you don't have a ton of experience, but believe me, that's the way it goes on a pretty regular basis. That's part of the reason I'm being so forceful about the PV lynch. I"m quite convinced he's scum and unless I keep on the issue this wagon will easily fall apart.
↑VP Baltar wrote:What is your bad feeling about PV? Is it because his wagon gained steam quickly? I think the fact that it fell apart just as quickly over nothing is a bigger red flag personally.
It isn't just that it gained steam so quickly although that is part of it. Part of it is how I feel about the way certain people are for it and against it. I get the sense from Chkflip that he's scum who somehow just knows PV is gonna flip town, and I get a really bad feeling about the way both HD and DDD are discussing the lynch as well. Something about HD's posts seem forced, and DDD seems to make more posts about theory than about PV's behavior. I'm much more comfortable lynching either HD or Chkflip right now, so I guess that's part of the reason.
