/in-vitational 12: Mafia in #YOLOville - All wrapped up!

[Konowa]

What changed your read on N?

[Empire]

Oh and for my fellow tinfoil theorists out there, it's very likely that N and penguin are scum together (see: penguin's abrupt 180 stance on N, N's awkward reaction to her vote, and his seemingly willful refusal to give a read on her despite pointing out that her vote was bad).

[Vi]

VOTE: n

Unvote: penguin_alien
Vote: N

(L-3)

Hmm, I don't know if I really have a townread on him anymore, but I'm liking my penguin scumread a bit better.

Stop being etc. and change your vote.

Oh and for my fellow tinfoil theorists out there

I prefer alumi--oh, you said "theorists", not "enthusiasts".

[Johhog]

Oh geez. How can the N-wagon be larger than the CTD-wagon? CTD in this game is conformity personified. He's doing everything to avoid looking scummy. All his actions are designed to be uncontroversial enough to avoid scrutiny while original enough to not look like buddying.

[DeasVail]

What changed your read on N?

I'm thinking that my previous theory about N doing better as scum may be naive.

[Faraday]

Day 1, Votecount 26

penguin_alien (4) - Deasvail, Konowa, Shadoweh, Llamarble

N (6) - Tierce, CrashTextDummie, Empire, penguin_alien, Tammy, Vi

Vi (2) - Benmage, Cogito Ergo Sum
CrashTextDummie (4) - WickedestJr, N, Nachomamma8, Johhog

Not voting (0) :

NO ONE

• With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 5th of March at 00:38am GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-03-04 20:30:28)
  
• Tierce is V/la

One way or another - you can bastardise a song, as long as it's for charity.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Oh geez. How can the N-wagon be larger than the CTD-wagon? CTD in this game is conformity personified. He's doing everything to avoid looking scummy. All his actions are designed to be uncontroversial enough to avoid scrutiny while original enough to not look like buddying.

That doesn't sound plausible.

[Johhog]

You don't think that's scummy?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I don't think it's something he's doing.

[Wickedestjr]

That's a pretty solid list. So I don't know why you had an issue with my statements when you can conclude the reasoning yourself. I don't think its necessarily weak or flawed (Flawed, how so? Subjective because in your case you find it flawed, or flawed in general?)

For some players, I would agree that this is a valid reason for suspicion. For any experienced/good player, I would say that this is not a good reason for suspicion. Wifom, but I do well enough as scum to not have to try something like that + it would be easier for me to have just expressed strong suspicions like (almost) everyone else. I am aware of the fact that expressing strong suspicions is more helpful/protown than struggling. How was it not plausible for me, as town, to struggle early on? Especially considering I've played two games in the last year neither of which contained any players in this game and there are only two/three players I have played a few times with (none of those two/three players I have a good read on yet).

Wicked - Initially, I said if penguin then Wicked (I still think this read 480) , and later revised to he can go regardless. 484 made me throw up in mouth a little.

1:

Maybe I'm expecting too much, but listing right people and saying scum is in there?

2:

Saying that CES is in that group but that he always finds him Mafia so he's untouchable, I don't understand the need as Town today that.

3:

Then the softball request for views on DV and Nacho with lack of follow through. Seems like a complete swing and a miss of a post.

1: What do you find suspicious about that?
2: I thought it was important to establish my leaning-scum read on him. Why wouldn't it be? Not sure what your issue with the untouchable comment is either. Note that you have a town read on another player who made a similar comment.
3: I'm neutral on both of those players. Not leaning either way at all. I can't think of a potential follow-up. I thought about asking specific players for their opinions, but I decided that wasn't necessary at this point. Tomorrow I'll make more of an effort to develop reads on them.


More in a few...

[Benmage]

Been busy, irl beatup from rugby mafia tomorrow.

[Wickedestjr]

It doesn't look like there are nine people interested in a CTD lynch today. So I'm going to

Unvote

even though he is still my top suspect.

Vote: penguin

A check of some of N's past games says that his play here most resembles his town meta. He's been useless, which is annoying, but that's not enough reason for a lynch- especially on day 1 (not saying why). I would much prefer a penguin lynch. Every serious vote she has cast was opportunistic. I don't think that can be said of anyone else. Note, as I said before, it took 20 pages and a few votes for N before penguin realized that N's lack of contribution was suspicious and voteworthy. I don't buy it.

I would like to see-
-more votes for penguin or N (doesn't seem as if there is enough interest in any other option right now)
-a claim once someone gets more votes (asap- i would hate to have a last minute pr claim)

[CrashTextDummie]

Johhog, answer this instead of throwing more BS at me:

I could get behind a CTD lynch though. I think he's pretty clearly trying to stay out of the limelight by asking pseudo-scumhunting questions, that hardly can be used to actually lure out the scum.

Please give concrete examples of me asking pseudo-scumhunting questions. The accusation that I'm "clearly trying to stay out of the limelight" is patently ridiculous because I've clearly been very pro-active in trying to get wagons going and have been very vocal with my suspicions.

Also, you haven't said a single peep about N and Penguin-Alien (other than your random vote shenanigans), the two leading wagons, and I find that very problematic.

[Tierce]

Also, you

[Johhog]

haven't said a single peep about N and Penguin-Alien (other than your random vote shenanigans), the two leading wagons, and I find that very problematic.

[N]

I can't link the relevant posts right now but I urge you to go through his ISO again. It's largely contentless, he's been generally evasive when asked easy questions (e.g., check his response to my asking what he thinks about Vi's vote on him), the few reads he has given are patent bullshit (e.g., the penguin/Konowa read, which is not only transparently BS, but didn't answer the question asked about his view on penguin's alignment) and he's now spent the last few days sniping at easy shit in lieu of actually scumhunting which fits his scum meta (see: Black Flag).

Which town game are you comparing that to? Because, if it's NY160, I hate to tell you that no matter how hard you and Regfan townread me in that game, I was actually scum. If only there was some more recent game the two of us played together in which we were both town...

[N]

A check of some of N's past games says that his play here most resembles his town meta.

Which games did you check?

[N]

Also, you

[Johhog]

haven't said a single peep about N and Penguin-Alien (other than your random vote shenanigans), the two leading wagons, and I find that very problematic.

I actually don't know what this picture is of. I reverse google image searched it and it said it was sugar, but I don't see how that related to what CTD said.

[Tierce]

Also, you

[Johhog]

haven't said a single peep about N and Penguin-Alien (other than your random vote shenanigans), the two leading wagons, and I find that very problematic.

I actually don't know what this picture is of. I reverse google image searched it and it said it was sugar, but I don't see how that related to what CTD said.

I wonder how on earth you think this is more relevant and urgent than what I have asked of you and which you haven't answered. You know, actual somewhat proactive participation in the game instead of making snide remarks at people with no genuine attempts at scumhunting.

[Vi]

There are

two

things on this page that are fluffier than me. This is getting upsetting.

[Tierce]

There are

two

things on this page that are fluffier than me. This is getting upsetting.

Firebird might be a bit annoyed.

[N]

Wow, Tierce, you really know how to sap someone's enthusiasm from a game.

[Tierce]

Yes, it's totally my fault that you're not scumhunting. I should feel terrible.

[N]

And what scumhunting are you doing? You're just sitting there taking potshots at me.

[Tierce]

You're cute. That's still not an answer and is still not scumhunting.

This slot really needs lynched.

[Faraday]

BUMPIN'.

You didn't know why you picked me as the mod? NOW YOU KNOW. DEDICATION MOTHERFUCKER