League of Legends (Old)

[MrZepher]

If they buff mana costs and regen they can make relatively larger changes without breaking the champion.

[InflatablePie]

The absolute worst part of getting a new computer is having to re-download and patch this damn game.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Bruiser Taric is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen in this game. It's like pre-nerf AP Trynd. Before y'all asked if I got dunked by one, no, I was dunking with him. You have to know specifically how to make him broken, (Tear, AP, Mana stacking, and AS stacking in general are noobtrap) but he's absolutely insane.

Here's your core: IG, SV, and Zephyr. Yes, I did just say Zephyr.

Taric's one of the very few champs in the game that use every aspect of IG. You have great AP ratios (1.7-2.1, most of that AoE, plus a 0.6-0.84 heal), you scale off armor better than Malphite and Rammus now, your damage scales off of Mana, which you need to build in lane as a bruiser anyway for sustain, and you absolutely love the CDR. You also need the slow to stick, since you have poor sticking power. (I run ghost/exhaust for this reason)

SV gives you MR, which you need to compliment all your armor, health, which is always amazing, (even moreso with tons of resists), tons of CDR, and a passive which you use all the time.

Zephyr gives you AD, which you make good use of with how much you auto, but that's not why it's amazing. It brings you to the CDR cap, for one, but you use the AS extremely well. Your autos do 14 Physical, plus another 78 magic damage (for 218 total) against champs. With 40% CDR, your heal's on a 9.6 second CD. Autos reduce that by 3, and Zephyr's AS is enough to break 1.00 AS. (you hit 1.16 @ 18) If you're attacking champs, your heal's on an effective

3-3.6 second CD

. You also really need the MS to stick to champs, and with MS quints as well, you hit 436 with unenchanted boots 2. The tenacity allows you to go Tabi, which is great, since you are the best armor scaler in the game.


With Tabi/FH/SV/Zephyr, you get this.

Full build would look something like this.
Bear in mind that his bonus armor aura increases his armor, which increases his aura, forming a feedback loop, and this site doesn't calculate that. Your armor and armor aura are actually quite a bit higher than displayed. (breakeven point for the prenerf aura ingame is actually ~214, not 240)

He also provides great intangibles, like amazing gank assistance. He can repeatedly heal a jungler coming in to gank, as well as stunning the target, reducing their armor, and giving free stats to the jungler. Pushes and waveclears well, W + AA kills caster minions in one shot. Wonderful roam to boot.

tl;dr version of why Bruiser Taric is stupid:

>200 damage autos building almost full tank
1.5 sec targetted stun on a 6 sec CD
244/300 damage ally+self heal, or a 420 self heal on a 9.6 CD,

which is effectively ~3 seconds

in combat.
6 second CD 340 damage shatter which provides almost equal to or MORE armor in teamfights than pre-patch
36 second cooldown on ult
Stupidly good sustained

and

burst damage.

He's even worse on TT. The faster start helps his poor early game, and the bruiser heavy meta makes his best-in-game sustained healing (and great sustained CC) absolutely invaluable. He's also very very difficult to counter there, since he can easily solo and duo lane.

I'd be really interested in forming a team to do 3s. I've always really liked new TT, and this is just too good to pass up on it. Anyone interested?

[Venmar]

*looks at above post*

I have seen it all, the supports are taking back the Leaugue!

[hohum]

I have seen it all, the supports are taking back the Leaugue!

AP janna is tits.

[TehBrawlGuy]

He plays a lot like Singed, for anyone wondering. Farm a while, give zero fucks about harass, and then walk into enemy teams and melt them while CCing/peeling all day. He's even easier, though. He picks up at 3/4 while Singed takes longer to get going, he can deal with losing lanes a lot better, and he can assist ganks better. I just hope he doesn't get streamed by a pro soon and then ubernerfed. He was my favorite support prepatch, and I'll still play him support now, I'm just worried about a bruiser kneejerk nerf wrecking him as a support.

But yeah, would be super interested in forming a 3s team.

[mykonian]

He's going to eat a nerf anyway when they figure out how to do it best. Taric's pretty high on the list of champions about to get a nerf, I'm sure of it.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I'm not so sure it's soon, considering he was just nerfed as a support, jungle Taric is meh, and bruiser Taric is still sleeper thanks to how many noobtrap builds it has.


Oh, and that tl;dr was without ult aura. With it, your autos hit for just under 300 mixed, and your selfheal is about 500, to pick two.


During teamfights, a 500 heal on an effective 3sec CD. Just think about that. Bear in mind it's even more EHP thanks to resist stacking.

[DeathRowKitty]

I'm not entirely sure why I made this, but.... link

It gives the pre-mitigation dps purely from autoattacks for a level 18 champion with AD marks and quints, standard 21/9/0 AD masteries (the frenzy mastery was a pain to factor in), exactly average AD and attack speed stats for an AD carry, berserker's greaves and the items listed. It assumes no steroids and that the champion just stands there attacking forever. BT(s) and BT(u) refer to stacked and unstacked bloodthirsters, respectively. The rest of it should be self-explanatory.

I think but do not guarantee that the numbers are accurate and that all 1-5 item builds consisting entirely of last whisper, stacked and unstacked bloodthirsters, phantom dancers, and infinity edges are represented. I also do not guarantee that the information provided is useful. If anyone has anything sufficiently similar they're interested in knowing the numbers for, I could probably do it easily enough, but I also do not guarantee that.

[Ankamius]

Does it factor in critical strikes?

[DeathRowKitty]

Yes.

[Ankamius]

Not really difficult to see why IE+IE+BT+PD+PD is the most efficient DPS setup then. Even though its critical chance is inefficient (it adds up to 110%), it adds double the attack speed and adds 240 damage. With every shot critting and with the lowest base Aspd being around 1.8... That's some crazy damage output pre-mitigation.

[Staeg]

considering he [taric] was just nerfed as a support

What? Was it really a nerf?

[MrZepher]

If there's one thing I've learned, it's not to question Frog's numbers.

[quadz08]

Jeebus christ those taric buffs are ridiculous. Just went 3/2/16 with an awful ADC and didn't even have that good of a game.

EDIT: If you think anything that got done to Taric was a nerf in any regard, you are wrong.

[Venmar]

I've been getting back into AP champs as of late after going on too many loosing streaks with my usual top laners, and i've found Malzahar and Fiddlesticks to be really fun and satisfying to play in the mid lane. I'd like to try other AP mids though and I was wondering if Xerath and Ziggs are good? I heard Xerath has amazing range and damage output, and Ziggs has good kite and such.

[mykonian]

They might be good. They aren't easy. Pokechamps have the trouble that it requires patience of your team to function, which isn't generally isn't available.

AP mids are the most versatile group of champions though, so there's something for everyone. I personally thought Karth and Ryze to be easy, which are on the lategame side of the spectrum.

And with recent liandry's changes, karth shouldn't have gotten much worse from a few months ago.

[Venmar]

I used to play Karthus until I ragequit on being unable to play him successfully.

Malazahar is a fucking beast if you get Liandry's early, first even. Coupled with AP items it makes his damage output ridiculous once he does his full combo. An E alone can take several bars of your health alone. Liandry's basically gives you an Ignite for every E you do.

Anyways, I found Xerath and Ziggs interesting, I found other mids like Lux, Cass, Mordekaiser, and Ryze either not fun to play or too hard to play. Not to say they're bad, but not my style. I like mids like Malzahar, Fiddle, and possibly Xerath and Ziggs if I get to test them.

[mykonian]

Fiddle is probably not very good mid in general (one skill is awkward there, his main skill in mid not too great in comparison, and his ult is hard to place as a laner). There are perhaps picks against which it works, but there can't be too many imo.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8N5yTdGhIU

[quadz08]

AlexIch just said in his postgame interview that Gambit intentionally didn't kill the nexus in the same engagement they got both nexus towers down specifically because they wanted to knock down candypanda's KDA, to move one of their players into first place. I find this

hilarious

.

[dramonic]

I'm... confused by Dragonborns.

[quadz08]

I am mildly turned on by Dragonborns.

[mykonian]

that was clever.

[dramonic]

Is EG basically just CLG EU with a fresh name?