Newbie 1336 (OVER)

[reham008]

Captain Ribbit... My vote persists because I also don't feel comfortable giving someone a L-1 status.
Someone could be fast hammered, and it sounds like a bad event.

I'm still waiting for the other's insight too, especially the inactive ones.

[reham008]

Wow, top post again xD

[JasonWazza]

reham and all the others who think MrZepher is scummy but won't vote him, can you at least TRY to find a second suspect to put your vote on so your vote isn't just wasted space and not doing half a shit for scumhunting?

[MrZepher]

Reads. Somebody asked me for this I recall.

town:
Brighteyedfish
Captain Ribbit

Nulls
Cybertronix
reham008
AssMuffin
Xtian

scum
Mr E Roll

I can address some things later. I have to go do things right now so I don't have long to post sorry.

[JasonWazza]

Ummmmmm i seem to notice i am missing from your list.

[JasonWazza]

Though to be perfectly fair i think that is the worst reads list i have ever seen.

I can understand a Ribbit town read, but how is Bright town?

Also why the fuck are you voting a null read over a scum read?

Yeah this list is fake and he is scum, can we lynch him now?

[Mr E Roll]

Reads. Somebody asked me for this I recall.

I can’t put much stock into your reads if you can’t be bothered to remember who is asking you questions, especially without any explanations.

reham and all the others who think MrZepher is scummy but won't vote him, can you at least TRY to find a second suspect to put your vote on so your vote isn't just wasted space and not doing half a shit for scumhunting?

It would be easier to actively scum hunt if more people were actively engaged.
But as for second suspects do you honestly think that Ribbit might be MrZ’s scum partner or was that just frustration talking?

Also why the fuck are you voting a null read over a scum read?

What makes this even more of a WTF? situation is he took the vote off of me his scum read to put it on Reham his null read.

Captain Ribbit... My vote persists because I also don't feel comfortable giving someone a L-1 status.
Someone could be fast hammered, and it sounds like a bad event.

Reham this makes it seem like you find MrZ scummiest, what do you think of Ribbit’s defense of him?

[Captain Ribbit]

At this point, I feel that it's safe to assume that MrZepher is going to be lynched today. MrZepher, regardless of what reasoning you have to back up your reads, your list is suspiciously inconsistent with everything that you've said and done up to this point. If you are mafia, you're doing a very shoddy job of hiding that. If you're town, you're doing a very shoddy job of helping out, even to the point of distracting all of us from genuine scum hunting. If you are town, then you are an active detriment to yourself.

If MrZepher flips scum, I have no doubt that my motives will be questioned. Ask away, but my answers will be the same: regardless of his role, I have no affiliation with MrZepher. I argued Jason's claims against MrZepher, and save the one case regarding MrZepher's claiming town, I stand by the arguments that I made. I saw no reason to find MrZepher scummy from the points noted by JasonWazza. Mr E Roll then brought to my attention MrZepher's inconsistent voting pattern, which we see bear out further now in his reads list, which is surprisingly devoid of any substance.

Unless MrZepher provides ample reasoning for each one of his reads, and given that there are no events before the end of the day which seriously throw into question the alignment of anyone else, I will feel comfortable lynching MrZepher today.

I would still like to hear from BrightEyedFish regarding everything that's happened since he last posted. BrightEyedFish, I don't like that you so quickly changed your vote after JasonWazza's trial against MrZepher. If MrZepher flips scum, I will feel slightly confident that you are his partner; he seems to think that you are town, regardless of the fact that you have done very little to benefit discussion or scum hunting, or anything else that would aid the town. At this moment though, I do not find you very suspicious. I would simply like to hear your thoughts on the happenings here.

[JasonWazza]

if Zepher flips scum (if he doesn't i may have a heart attack) i would call Ribbit and MrE town, they have actually been involved in all the arguments and actively trying to discern the alignment.

I actually think we should solidify the lynch sooner now rather then later, the less WIFOMic crap we have to sift through the better.

[Xtian]

Sorry I haven't participated, been caught up with college work. Am currently rereading and catching up and will post my thoughts.

[Mr E Roll]

I actually think we should solidify the lynch sooner now rather then later, the less WIFOMic crap we have to sift through the better.

I’m not on board with this. I understand your concern but I’d rather have more time for discussion. Several players haven’t even left the RVS yet, let’s give them a chance to contribute before the day ends.

[A Muffin]

Who would that be

[Mr E Roll]

Xtian and Cybertronix at a minimum. And there are probably others that have not really contributed as much as they could. Are you ready to end the day Muffin?

[Xtian]

All roles are randomized so there's no possibility for that kind of WIFOM. I was being pretty blatantly facetious, hence why I targeted Cybertronix with that comment so it would be more apparent that I wasn't being entirely serious.

Post 4 comes long before post 12 if I recall.

Well the thing is, we were in RVS... AssMuffin sheeped you, but you showed no signs of being bothered by it.

Now when you see 2 votes by me and Cyber, on Mr Ribbit, who had by that time not even cast his vote, you imply of one of us is scum. But what about the possibility that the one that sheeped you is hopping on for an easy lynch? :p

What also bugs me is you say '/beingsillybutnotreally'... what is that even suppose to mean? It's like throwing out this possibility to cast suspicion on someone else, but at the same time, don't think of it too much, town, I was just throwing out the possibility.

My thought was that newbie scum would be inclined to wagon onto their more experienced partner.
The way I went about it is just really strange. You have to read between lines in a lot of the things I post. Sorry.

Captain Ribbit making it to L-3 on page one tells me that at least one scum is currently on his wagon.
(Yes he was only had 2 votes when I first mentioned it. I'm aware.)
I was just finding a way to point that out that entertained myself.

Just like this post. I don't know how to explain it - it's like your intent was malicious but you were covering it up with curiosity.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Reham008

lel what is this even suppose to be too? Prior to this, there had been no mention whatsoever of Reham008 in any of your posts.

If I'm correct, he's at L-2? I am new and I'm not completely familiarized with the commonly used abbreviations, but that means it'll take 2 more votes to get him lynched, correct? He's my major FoS for day 1, but I actually want to stall and drag the day a little longer to see, if he flips scum, to find a possible partner or any clues and hints underneath his posts. :p

I think I also saw a question regarding our previous experience with the game. I've actually only played it once before, it was a variant where instead of mafia, we searched for werewolves. It was actually a really messy game and it wasn't taken seriously at all, but I found it to be really fun, and I just happened to stumble to this site while searching online for a site where I could play werewolves or killers vs town. ^_^

Anyway this is just what Ive gathered from reading MrZepher's posts. I'm going to read and concentrate on the others to see if I get anything.

[JasonWazza]

Xitan L-2 is 2 to lynch.

Posting on my phone ATM.

Does anyone have any objections to me telling mrz to claim, I swear the whole town has him as scum.

[Xtian]

I don't quite see why MrZepher appears so suspicious to all of you.

O rly.

Reading the rest of that post, most of it compromised of 'I disagree', and it felt so territory to me, as if you were protective of MrZepher.

The funny thing is now in post 187, in my eyes, it looks like you're giving in and just trying to wash your hands of ever associating yourself with MrZepher.

[Captain Ribbit]

Yes, really. At the time, I was wholly of the opinion that MrZepher was not as suspicious as everyone seemed to believe.

As I said already, I was defending MrZepher because I disagreed with the accusations against him, not because of any personal affiliation between us. I don't take back anything that I have said, except for the part about MrZepher saying that he was town, which admittedly went right over my head. I've already acknowledged this fact. When Mr E Roll brought to my attention other aspects of MrZepher's play so far, namely the inconsistent nature of his claims against his votes, which I see as far more damning than saying that one is town during RVS, I decided that MrZepher thus far is our best bet for a day 1 lynch. Future events before the end of day 1 could yet change my mind, although I doubt this will be the case.

Yes, the summary of post 94 is, "I disagree." Save the town claim, I still stand by most of what I said in post 94. However, evidence exposed to me by Mr E Roll has since changed my overall opinion of MrZepher. There's nothing left for me to say on the topic. If even considering what I've said since post 94 you find me more suspicious than any other player because of my defense of MrZepher (based not on his merits, but what I saw as insufficient reasoning for distrust, mind you), then I can only ask that you vote for me. I'd be lying if I said that I wouldn't be suspicious of me were I in your position. If MrZepher is lynched and flips scum, I expect fully to be cast in an incredulous light.

I also expect fully that you and every other player in this game will challenge any accusation with which you disagree. This is not scummy. Your suspicions of me are based entirely around the fact that you have accepted that MrZepher is scum. If he is, I grant you that my actions thus far have been suspicious. However, if MrZepher flips town, I expect that my defense of him will not be held to the same scrutiny.

I agree with Mr E Roll; I'm not comfortable lynching MrZepher until he has had a chance to explain his list of reads and we have had more time for discussion, hopefully including every player.

[Captain Ribbit]

I don't have any objections to forcing a claim from MrZepher, although I don't believe that it will have any effect on the current direction of the game. No claim can at this moment be substantiated, as there have been no night actions yet. Claim away.

[Captain Ribbit]

AssMuffin, what do you think of this whole ordeal? I ask the same of Cybertronix, BrightEyedFish, and reham008. I would really enjoy more activity in the game thread.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah i am next to certain that if MrZ is scum, Ribbit is town, he is trying to actively discern the alignment himself instead of relying on someone who is more head strong to make up his mind for him, this looks way more indicative of town then scum.

[Mr E Roll]

Does anyone have any objections to me telling mrz to claim, I swear the whole town has him as scum.

Isn’t it normal not to ask for a claim until after a hammer is threatened?

Furthermore what claim could MrZ make that would sway your opinion of his scumminess.

[JasonWazza]

Probably none, just wish to move this day forward, also the reason i am thinking he should claim is that had people not been wanting this day to continue we would probably have 6-8 votes on him, i mean even ribbit is thinking he is more likely scum now.

[Captain Ribbit]

Yes, I am thinking that he is more likely scum right now, based only on the very little serious discussion so far, and agree that today is moving ridiculously slow. However, I don't want to sacrifice valuable discussion time because of my impatience.

At the moment it seems that MrZepher is scummier than any other player, but this could still change before the day's end.

[Mr E Roll]

Here’s my thinking on the matter; if MrZ can’t make a claim that would dissuade anybody from voting for him why bother. Worst case scenario it forces a counter-claim and helps scum more than town.

[JasonWazza]

seriously there is no point to continuing today i would prefer to re-do RVS tomorrow in a 6v1 setting then have to drag this (what will soon be) WIFOMic ball of crap of a day on.

P-Edit: thing is it could sway enough people off him that we have to hunt a second player, a lot of players (myself included) wouldn't lynch a PR claim.