Newbie 1336 (OVER)

[reham008]

JasonWazza

reham and all the others who think MrZepher is scummy but won't vote him, can you at least TRY to find a second suspect to put your vote on so your vote isn't just wasted space and not doing half a shit for scumhunting?

UNVOTE:
I vote for lynching MrZepher. Lynching him would reveal some information that would be useful in D2.
It would point out that BrightEyedFish is a potential scum as MrZepher's defense of him, calling him town when there is no conclusive evidence, is preemptive.
I also thought of the idea of a scum voting on the last two votes, after JasonWazza pointed it out to be a bad idea for scum, to be a possible move for a scum to hide suspicion.
And also, his claiming of a PR when his actions are attracting too much attention, something PR's should be careful of.

BUT, if MrZepher turns out to be a VT or JK, we shouldn't return to RVS as there are a few leads to whom may be the scum
(either BrightEyedFish for the opportunist vote, though this is just a single reason and somewhat weak
JasonWazza for suggesting going back to RVS when there are possible alternatives. Maybe he knows that he becomes a probable suspect when MrZepher flips a pro-town role, and suggesting a return to RVS so that all suspicions would be restarted. NOTE: This based on the belief that RVS means purely randomly voting and that no suspicions are yet aroused.
Cybertronix for lurking, he hasn't reacted yet when he said he's gonna catch up, however we live in different timezones so my sense of time is different from his)

I will vote for MrZepher the moment everybody has agreed...
But for the meantime, I will vote for
VOTE: BrightEyedFish
as MrZepher's defense of him was sudden, calling him town when BrightEyedFish messages seems to be the same as the others.
And his opportunist vote which could be a possible scum move as explained earlier.
Can I also ask a claim from BrightEyedFish?

[JasonWazza]

You realize that getting 2 claims in one day is harmful for town right?

Your lessening the PR pool

[reham008]

*you're
sorry, had to do it xD

Oh yeah,
But trust me on this.
After he claims, I will explain why I asked him that.

I may be a newcomer, but that doesn't mean I don't know how to think.
Proof of it is how fast I caught on.

[Mr E Roll]

You realize that getting 2 claims in one day is harmful for town right?

Your lessening the PR pool

Reham you’ve been told that a second claim would be harmful for town and yet you still want one?

I know you said you don’t care about winning but I can’t help but view this as scummy.

I look forward to hearing your explanation.

[reham008]

I will explain, but after BrightEyedFish claims...
If you have read it, you will get why I asked for a claim.

But after some careful thought, I realized that my request could be done on the second day and the claim isn't necessary now.
So I retract my request for now, and ask for it on D2.
Sorry, haha, my plan was so good that I got too excited. xD

[Mr E Roll]

If I asked you for a claim reham would you give me one?

And let me be clear I'm not asking for one.

[Cybertronix]

Huge apology for not chiming in. I got swamped at work and have two very young children at home. I'm exhausted right now but I will deliver tomorrow morning. Work is looking a little light so I should be able to get something in. If not, I will replace out as my lack of participation hurts the town.

[MrZepher]

UNVOTE:

I'm lying?
And you can prove this HOW exactly?
Lies require me to be caught in some sort of contradiction. Since you can't currently PROVE that I'm scum (Ribbit was nice enough to destroy your entire case against me) you're desperately trying to push this lynch through now that you've found a PR.

Also, returning to RVS is literally retarded and extremely anti-town when there's no reason to do it.
If you can show me a decent game where town chose to return to RVS that resulted in a town win because of that decision then I'll eat my words, but if you can't then you need to stop that line of thinking immediately.
If I die today and flip town there are several people you can look at:
Captain Ribbit
BrightEyedFish
JasonWazza

all three of those are directly connected to my lynch whether for or against it. I'll be looking into them while I'm still alive but for now my vote goes here if anybody wants to wise up and wagon actual scum.
VOTE: Jasonwazza

[reham008]

Mr E Roll
Yes, I would.
But only after BrightEyedFish gives a claim. Then I will say my explanation. And if you will still ask for it, I will say it, as my role is unimportant anyway.
Sacrifice for the better good as they say.
I will still win even though I'm dead right?? As long as my teammates are alive.
And if I don't, at least I contributed a great deal.
AND
BrightEyedFish
I will clarify that I no longer ask for a claim. At least not yet.
Please DO NOT give a claim, for doing so is harmful to the town.

PR: MrZepher
Then your lynch would actually be a good thing as it does two things IF you flip out town:
1. It limits the suspects.
2. Your confusing tactics and suspicious actions would stop disturbing the town discussion.

[reham008]

wait, the last "PR" means Post Review, sorry if I used a wrong term. xD

[JasonWazza]

UNVOTE:

I'm lying?
And you can prove this HOW exactly?
Lies require me to be caught in some sort of contradiction. Since you can't currently PROVE that I'm scum (Ribbit was nice enough to destroy your entire case against me) you're desperately trying to push this lynch through now that you've found a PR.

Also, returning to RVS is literally retarded and extremely anti-town when there's no reason to do it.
If you can show me a decent game where town chose to return to RVS that resulted in a town win because of that decision then I'll eat my words, but if you can't then you need to stop that line of thinking immediately.
If I die today and flip town there are several people you can look at:
Captain Ribbit
BrightEyedFish
JasonWazza

all three of those are directly connected to my lynch whether for or against it. I'll be looking into them while I'm still alive but for now my vote goes here if anybody wants to wise up and wagon actual scum.
VOTE: Jasonwazza

Funny lets see how many lies were actually tied to your alignment (all quotes will be myself)

Best scum claim being cop, no because a cop has to give results each night and not being night killed is shifty.

JK is not guaranteed if you are scum and can fake claim a block on someone.

Not tied to your alignment and is in fact a very broad statement as to why a JK is a better fake claim then a cop.

I suggested lynching you now and going back into RVS would be better then not lynching you now.

Again not tied to your alignment tied to what you said.

I have shed light on both Ribbit and MrE being town, the rest just makes the kill WIFOM based.

That's number 3 that isn't tied to your alignment

It's apparently such a weak case that everyone in this town believes you are scum just as firmly as me

This is tied to the fact that the majority of the town has been willing to get you to claim/get ready to lynch you and not to your alignment

This last one is just crap, i brought the town together to lynch you sorry scum ass.

Other then the "your sorry scum ass" this isn't tied to alignment.

Keep misrepping it's doing wonders for you.

Also as for the RVS thing i was saying that that would be better then keeping this day going beyond it's useful point, of course we are gonna use ties from today but i am saying that lynching you now is better then lynching you later in essence.

This guys is either scum or one of the worst town player i think i have actually seen

[reham008]

OK, I would be hurtful to town if this goes any longer as someone may change their vote and relieve the pressure on MrZepher.
UNVOTE:
If he turns out scum, then BrightEyedFish will become a suspect. And I will ask for claim. After that will be my explanation and possibly my role.
If MrZepher flips town, then a few people will become suspects.
JasonWazza - for he was the leading man to this lynch.
Captain Ribbit - for protecting MrZepher even though the evidences were obvious.
reham008 - for being unpredictable. Yes, I will not deny it, I done some unexpected things which even led to MrZepher accusing me. (Kinda sorry for him xD)
BrightEyedFish - for the suspicious opportunist vote.

For these following reasons, you are therefore hammered...
Claiming to be a town.
Appeared to have a prior to game information.
He also suspected someone but didn't change his vote to them, which is very unlikely for a town aligned SE.
Voting without justification.
The backtrack.
Not remembering (or purposefully forgetting) where your vote is.
Posting fast and making mistakes, highly unlikely again for a SE.
Made a bad read list, even doesn't say who asked for it, or explaining it.
And for the other things that makes him look scummy.
Unclear intentions.

Please refer to Post #83.
And Post #98.

VOTE: MrZepher

[Captain Ribbit]

reham008, I disagree with you on almost all counts, but there is nothing to be done now. I really don't understand where you're coming up with some of this stuff.

As expected, MrZepher is our day 1 lynch. Please be scum. Please be scum.

[Captain Ribbit]

Also, reham, there is absolutely no reason for you to tell us your role, and you really have no grounds on which to demand a claim from BrightEyedFish.

[Mr E Roll]

Lots of content from reham right at day's end.

And undelivered but promised content from Cybertronix.

I hope this is indicative of a more engaged discussion tomorrow.

[reham008]

Captain Ribbit
I just summarized the reasons that he became a suspect.
Which of this don't you know it came from?
So that I can go back and find it.
Yes, there is no reason to tell my role. Well at least not yet, I kinda feel I would be asked to do so. But if I'm gonna go down, I'm gonna take a possible scum with me.
I didn't demand a claim from him, I asked if I can, kinda getting permission first by getting your reactions... which would have been the reason my English teacher slapped me in the face right now, as the right question would be "May I"? xD

And yes.....
please be scum, please be scum, please be scum! xD

[JasonWazza]

JasonWazza - for he was the leading man to this lynch.

How does me being head strong mean i am scum?

[Messiah]

Newbie 1336 - Vote Count 1.6 - FINAL

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MrZepher [LYNCH] - AssMuffin, JasonWazza, BrightEyedFish, Mr E Roll, reham008

Captain Ribbit [L-4] - Cybertronix
JasonWazza [L-4] - MrZepher

Not Voting (2):

Captain Ribbit, Xtian

MrZepher has been lynched. He was a

Jailkeeper

.

It is now Night 1.

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Phase Deadline:

(expired on 2013-03-07 14:30:00)

[Messiah]

Newbie 1336 - Day 2 Dawn

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Xtian has been killed Night 1. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

It is now Day 2.

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Phase Deadline:

(expired on 2013-03-25 12:00:00)

[JasonWazza]

That was a quick night, that flip was really surprising but now we are down a mislynch and need to find scum, I think ribbit may have been scum trying to get town cred when MrZ flipped town.

[BrightEyedFish]

reham008 threw out the hammer. I will start there.
FoS reham008

[Cybertronix]

Well I'm a bit disappointed that I wasn't able to get some words in before the hammer came down. Moreso in myself for not being able to participate properly.

I logged on at 8:00am MST when I got to work and saw that the hammer came at 2:48am my time, and the thread locked at 7:22am.

It probably wouldn't have mattered as Zeph looked like he was going to die as intent had already been declared.

I have plenty of access to a computer today and tomorrow, so I hope to contribute properly to this game.

Right now reham008 and Ribbit aren't looking particularly good in my eyes.

Basically I find his behavior very odd, especially with the asking for a claim. Role fishing perhaps?

[Cybertronix]

Last line on #171 was meant to be reasoning for suspecting reham008.

Ribbit is more of a gut read, which I'll look into more.

[JasonWazza]

Cyber can you give us a rough idea of what you would have said yesterday?

Bright why is putting the hammer down a scum tell?

Seriously the whole town was waiting on that no one was against that lynch.

[BrightEyedFish]

A hammer is never a definite scumtell, and that is why I did not put up a vote. Typically after a mislynch, I start with who threw in the hammer and work my way backwards and see if anything sticks out to me in hindsight.