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[Syryana]

VOTE: Cogito Ergo Sum

Pretty sure you're not cool enough to get away with that.

Cool or otherwise, you still need to die. The very fact you're not dead already speaks volumes.

[FourTrouble]

Vote: Syryana

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

VOTE: Cogito Ergo Sum

Pretty sure you're not cool enough to get away with that.

Cool or otherwise, you still need to die. The very fact you're not dead already speaks volumes.

Those would have to be very thin volumes.

Have you read the entire thread?

[FourTrouble]

I get the feeling he skipped over a lot. And if he did read everything, he's clearly not putting any effort into finding scum, just going for an easy target with no reasoning whatsoever. Plus it doesn't help your lynch was given approval by Dazed and Confused.

[Sotty7]

How certain are you re: your town read of Jason, Sotty?

bout 90%.

VOTE: Cogito Ergo Sum

Gonna need way more than this.

[Sotty7]

I get the feeling he skipped over a lot. And if he did read everything, he's clearly not putting any effort into finding scum, just going for an easy target with no reasoning whatsoever. Plus it doesn't help your lynch was given approval by Dazed and Confused.

Can you explain how CES is an easy target?

[Zachrulez]

1st vote count of day 2:

Cogito Ergo Sum - 2 (Dazed and Confused, Syryana)
Syryana - 2 (Sotty7, FourTrouble)

Not Voting: (JasonT1981, Nachomamma8, Cogito Ergo Sum)

With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2013-03-18 20:00:00)

[Nachomamma8]

Mind you, whoever is scum clearly thinks we're incompetent braindead morons for

not

having killed us last night even though we were more trusted than Sixty, so fuck you guys.

CES, admit it. That makes you scum, because you definitely don't think of me as a threat, right?

Um.

VOTE: Cogito Ergo Sum

Pretty sure you're not cool enough to get away with that.

so there's this giant elephant in the room that has something to do with "CES why did you quickhammer yesterday"
would you like to escort it outside where elephants belong?

[Syryana]

I get the feeling he skipped over a lot. And if he did read everything, he's clearly not putting any effort into finding scum, just going for an easy target with no reasoning whatsoever. Plus it doesn't help your lynch was given approval by Dazed and Confused.

I did, in fact, read the entire thread. I find it amusing that you're attempting to discredit me to prevent a lynch on your scumpartner.

VOTE: Cogito Ergo Sum

Gonna need way more than this.

Very well. Why CES? In the 15 or so pages of this thread, I noticed the general consensus concerning him went something like this:

• CES is a dangerous player.
  
• He has a tendency to laser-eye people. In other words, very accurate if not dead-on D1 reads.
  
• Nobody can read CES, not even the veterans.
  
• CES is
  really
  fucking dangerous.

So, given the above points, it stands to reason that if CES is town, then he is a high-priority target for the scum. Nobody can read him, he can read everybody, and everybody knows that he can read everybody. Why, then, is he still alive? Because he is scum, of course. No other reason for his continued existence makes sense.

Moving onward from general analysis, let's delve into what CES actually did on D1. Lots of idle banter, prodding various folks (e.g. Nacho, RachMarie, etc.), voting Nacho, hammering Whiskers, more idle banter. So, in brief, a whole lot of nothing, minus quickhammering the cop. Granted the cop lynch was pretty well justified, considering how sketchy both Whiskers

and

Josh were being. However, even in the unlikely event that CES is town, his track record up to this point in the game is justification for a policy lynch, which is why I voted him along with D+C.

Now, some of you might be wondering why I made that comment up at the top about FT being scum. FT wasn't my top choice as CES's partner until he made that post; I felt Nacho was a better choice, given the contrived-sounding diatribe that went on between them in Day 1 and Nacho's curious analysis of the town in #154. Nacho still comes in as a close second, but FT has my attention. I originally got a town-read on him due to the "righteous indignation" that he showed when RachMarie impugned his play judgment. However, after the RM/FT incident resolved, he proceeds to "analyse" the town by waffling on everyone except for Sixty, and Sixty by reason of the massive dump truck of obvtown that Tierce graced us with. Afterwards, he does a poor job of defending himself from Sixty by trying to deflect onto RM and retract his statements about liking Sixty for town. This quote in particular bothered me:

Sotty is town as fvck. Her thought process mirrors a lot of my own and her response to Sixty's attack by trying to understand where Sixty was coming from was very pro-town. Especially trying to understand the reasoning behind Sixty's suspicion of me, not just herself, showed a lot of thought and effort to understand Sixty's motivations, very genuine scumhunting.

I translated the above as "Cool, now I have a townie to sheep!" First, he likes Sixty as town. Then, when Sixty calls him on his BS he retracts his town-read and attaches himself to Sotty. After Sixty gets distracted by a large ball (in the form of D+C, iirc), he shuts up and says nothing of consequence with the sole exception of voting Whiskers, until I come along and vote his scumpartner. Oh, and his vote of Whiskers had no justification provided, and he and CES put Whiskers from L-2 to dead in less than a half hour.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Very well. Why CES? In the 15 or so pages of this thread, I noticed the general consensus concerning him went something like this:
CES is a dangerous player.
He has a tendency to laser-eye people. In other words, very accurate if not dead-on D1 reads.
Nobody can read CES, not even the veterans.
CES is really fucking dangerous.
So, given the above points, it stands to reason that if CES is town, then he is a high-priority target for the scum. Nobody can read him, he can read everybody, and everybody knows that he can read everybody. Why, then, is he still alive? Because he is scum, of course. No other reason for his continued existence makes sense.

Right. I'm not magic + since no one can read me, there's nothing preventing me getting mislynched + me quickhammering the cop can't help but look quite bad (even though it's clearly bad luck).

[Nachomamma8]

magic man!
make the elephant disappear, please.

[jasonT1981]

You didn't respond to this, but I might as well come out with why this bugged the hell out of me: Sotty has been pretty much attacking you all game solely because you haven't been active. Didn't you just say that was her scum meta? Why are you suddenly clearing her for it?

very wrong, Sotty had not been calling me scum all d1 because of it. If she had, that would be more her scum meta. But it was gradual.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

so there's this giant elephant in the room that has something to do with "CES why did you quickhammer yesterday"
would you like to escort it outside where elephants belong?

I did mention the VT softclaim. Beyond that, it's fairly standard stuff? Didn't see any reason to let him claim if I was willing to lynch him despite one.

Moving onward from general analysis, let's delve into what CES actually did on D1. Lots of idle banter, prodding various folks (e.g. Nacho, RachMarie, etc.), voting Nacho, hammering Whiskers, more idle banter. So, in brief, a whole lot of nothing, minus quickhammering the cop. Granted the cop lynch was pretty well justified, considering how sketchy both Whiskers and Josh were being. However, even in the unlikely event that CES is town, his track record up to this point in the game is justification for a policy lynch, which is why I voted him along with D+C.

Good prodding though. Would you've wanted me to have asked more boring questions? I was feeling quite happy with my play myself up until Whiskers flipped.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Sotty's town read of Jason muddies the waters quite a bit w.r.t what the scum team is (Syryana's last post isn't bad either), but it only makes this vote easier:

Vote: Nacho

[jasonT1981]

Sotty's town read of Jason muddies the waters quite a bit w.r.t what the scum team is (Syryana's last post isn't bad either), but it only makes this vote easier:

Vote: Nacho

how so, do you not have your own opinions, or are you relying on Sotty to provide the scum team for you on a plate?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I'm not copying the read but I definitely give it weight.

[Nachomamma8]

I did mention the VT softclaim. Beyond that, it's fairly standard stuff? Didn't see any reason to let him claim if I was willing to lynch him despite one.

that's disappointing. i was hoping you would have something better than that.

[Dazed and Confused]

CES, assuming Whiskers had immediately gone, "I'm the cop," after FT's vote, you're saying you would have quickhammered him afterwards?

Also, did it occur to you that

other

people might not want to lynch him depending on his claim?

Syryana, welcome to the game. If you were scum, would you have killed CES last night? What if your buddy had pointed out the reasons that made him a bad nightkill--who would your next choice have been? (Also, not to turn this into MD, but why does being hard to read make you

more

likely to be nightkilled?)

Nacho, what do you think of CES? What do you think we should do with CES? (

Please

don't respond to this post by putting him at L-1, by the way.)

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: jasonT1981

Sotty-Jason. I don't think CES is scum because CESscum's biggest fight this game is going to be against paranoia. Quickhammering a cop or risking quickhammering a cop makes no sense for CES if he's trying to avoid paranoia.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

CES, assuming Whiskers had immediately gone, "I'm the cop," after FT's vote, you're saying you would have quickhammered him afterwards?

I'd've still been willing to lynch you but quickhammering a claimed cop seems like quite a bad idea in terms of how it looks if you're wrong.

[jasonT1981]

There is one flaw with the hammer on cop so can't be scum argument,

there was no cop claim until after the hammer had been laid down.......

As scum CES would not have known he was hammering the cop.. he would have just known he was hammering town who was seen as scummy and could have been hammering to earn town cred.

[Dazed and Confused]

Also, did it occur to you that

other

people might not want to lynch him depending on his claim?

This is an actual serious question, not just rhetorical whining.

jason, your turn: what do you think of CES? (You

sort

of ninja'd me, but I'd like more of a concrete answer. Do you suspect CES, and

why

?) What do you think we should do with CES? Policy lynch him?

Also, I'll look for quotes when I have more time, but I'm pretty sure the first negative thing Sotty said about you was that you were lurking.

[Dazed and Confused]

Mind you, whoever is scum clearly thinks we're incompetent braindead morons for

not

having killed us last night even though we were more trusted than Sixty, so fuck you guys.

CES, admit it. That makes you scum, because you definitely don't think of me as a threat, right?

Um.

Are you confessing?

[Nachomamma8]

No, I cut myself off before that happened.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Also, did it occur to you that

other

people might not want to lynch him depending on his claim?

This is an actual serious question, not just rhetorical whining.

Play to win means I'm ethically obligated to not consider your emotions unduly.

>_>
<_<