Newbie 1339 - Game Over! (Scum Win)

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Sorry I've been gone for a few days. It's midterms week so I've been really busy, as well as playing other mafia games.

I'm catching up now.

[fuzzybutternut]

Are we positive we have scum in this game?
VOTE: No Lynch

[Approximately Normal Guy]

In post 119, Nabber wrote:
I don't think it's exactly a scrum move, but I'm wondering why Normal Guy only included five reads in his analysis a little bit up the page.

Yeah, that is a bit weird, but I think I am the only person who included himself in his reads.
Could have been that he left out people who he forgot were in game/people too inactive?
Either way, it was posted at like 1.30 AM and we've established not all of us are exactly night hawks.

Still, I'd like ANG to explain why.

I was posting on my phone, it was super late, and opening multiple tabs/going back and forth loading pages to read everybody was just too much hassle at the time. I mentioned in the post in question.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

You're mistaken. This would be a 2-for-1 in favor of scum. If they lie about a cop claim, and town lynches based off that, they get a day kill and a night kill, which could put town in a very sticky situation, mainly because the night kill is most likely going to be someone who is actually helping the game.

Well, I disagree here. The night kill is going to come no matter what, assuming it doesn't get blocked or saved. So the point I was making was that scum trades one of themselves to get the town power killed, hence 1 scum for 1 townie.

wait i'm almost certain that 87 is a huge buddying post atm

How's it buddying? I don't see it.

[fuzzybutternut]

Okay, I see what you're saying. I didn't realize you were saying that the scum would die too.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

A list!

Town
nacho
fuzzybutternut
Normal Guy
Varsoon (weak)

Null
kuror0
Nabber
kitiekatt

Scum
Random Yoshi

Could you elaborate on your town reads of nacho and fuzzy?

[Nobody Special]

fuzzy:

He was against the posting quota. I like his stance on Varsoon. His post 93 just drips of towniness. Post 111 is also a bright towntell. However, since then, his vote for NoLynch is troubling.

fuzzy, there are very, very few circumstances which call for no lynch. This is NOT one of them.



Nacho:

Well. Re-reading his iso, I have to shift nacho firmly to Null. He does agree with me on RY, and he disagrees with me on fuzzy. But he's just not doing any real scumhunting; he's only badgering people so far.

[fuzzybutternut]

I voted No Lynch because I honestly don't know who is scum and who isn't, and, rather than risk 2 townies, I'm only *maybe* risking 1.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Whoa. I missed the No lynch vote because it came between my catching up posts.

Yeah, you should not do that. No lynching just gives scum a free kill and we gain no information from the day.

[fuzzybutternut]

We do gain information from the night though, which is viable information to kill scum.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Yes, but we gain that information regardless. Trust me, no lynch is only ever a good move in like, a couple really specific end game scenarios.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Yes, but we gain that information regardless. Trust me, no lynch is only ever a good move in like, a couple really specific end game scenarios.

[kuror0]

A no lynch is the worst posible situation for town on D1, so i am taking your move as highly anti town.

It is the worst outcome for town because it denys any posible info from the flip and the people on the wagon and it just leaves scum take their night target to keep town in the dark.

[fuzzybutternut]

This coming from the guy who has helped town the least.

I can assure you that a no lynch on D1 is not the worst possible scenario for town.

[kuror0]

This coming from the guy who has helped town the least.

I can assure you that a no lynch on D1 is not the worst possible scenario for town.

That was adressed to me? And regardless of that even a mislynch will be better for town on the long run. Fact.

[fuzzybutternut]

Fact? Really? Okay, let's mislynch our cop or doctor, and let scum NK or Jk or cop. That is the worst case scenario.

[Nobody Special]

This coming from the guy who has helped town the least.

I can assure you that a no lynch on D1 is not the worst possible scenario for town.

Well, that's just stubborn.

And wrong. And scummy.

unvote

Vote: fuzzybutternut

[kuror0]

To mislynch a PR means someone didn't gave time to claim and that's valuable info. And like i said, even a mislynch will be more usefull on the long run. Scum gona kill someone wether we lynch or not so giving them the head start for no reason is just dumb, we will be at D2 exactly like we were at D1(in terms of information) but with 1 less town among us.

[fuzzybutternut]

Not necessarily. Wanna see some games where it happened? Meta me.

[Nobody Special]

Please define "it."

[fuzzybutternut]

Someone claimed a PR, they were lynched, they flipped said PR. Town is it's own worst enemy sometimes.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Someone claimed a PR, they were lynched, they flipped said PR. Town is it's own worst enemy sometimes.

And then you look at their lynch and glean information from it.

If you no lynch d1, you don't have anything to hold people accountable for.

[fuzzybutternut]

Sure you do. Look at the NK, and re-read the thread. I've done it before.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

But a simple night kill doesn't have any votes tied to it. You just WIFOM yourself into the ground trying to figure anything out from it.

I understand where you are coming from, you're just wrong here.

[fuzzybutternut]

*shrug* it's worked before, that's all I'm saying.