Sotty7 wrote:What did you expect him to do, it's CES? REASONS just makes me shake my head. I feel like you are just asking a billion questions and not actually drawing any conculsions from it. I don't even know why I just answered because you STILL didn't answer my question of why you spent the first few posts of this day getting me NOT to vote CES when your vote was on him. I'd love your scum reads right now or any kind of actual stance.
I meant I wanted to see what
jason
would do. He said the only reason he wasn't voting CES was that it'd put him at L-1, so I took away his reason for withholding his vote.
I'm bombarding people with questions because every time I'm on the verge of coming to a conclusion, something else sends me spiraling into paranoia, and I need to tie up
another
loose end.
As for "REASONS", now's as good a time as any to come clean. Part of why I've been so evasive was that I felt as though people were circling the CES bandwagon ever since I made that "We're policy-lynching you, CES!" comment, as though they were testing the waters. So I thought it'd be most informative if I kept quiet on what I
actually
thought.
Here's my stance, which you probably didn't see coming. As sad as this is for us to admit, CES...might...actually be our strongest living town read right now. *sobs* (This is hard for me to write. Every time I work up the courage to type the words, "CES is town," it's like a shockwave of paranoia overcomes my body and I hear an evil cackle thousands of miles away.)
Empire and I both noticed Whiskers' vanilla claim on D1 (as well as Whiskers' post-hammer softclaim, but anyway). To be honest, we probably wouldn't have believed a cop claim from Whiskers barring a sudden flash of towniness, although the strategic move might have been to leave him alive one more day. This meant the worst of both worlds: the motivations behind CES's hammer were irritatingly null, even though it had a disastrous antitown effect.
We were paranoid as hell, particularly since neither of us trusts our ability to read him, and figured it couldn't hurt to start the day off by calling for CES's policy lynch to see the reactions (for example, if he mentioned the softclaim). And then I stuck to the vote even when we started thinking he was town again, for the reasons I mentioned above.
I should really be studying, and of course, just writing this post has made me
more
paranoid that I'm wrong, but I'll try to explain where this read came from. It's part just intuition based on what CES has been saying/how he's been voting. But twinges of paranoia aside, we've been fine with him for most of this game, because he usually points out the same stuff we're seeing and played D1 as though he was actually honing in on who he thought was scum and looking at the big picture. And I did think the post I quoted from him looked very town (and Empire agrees with this). He doesn't
have
to go the extra mile of giving your jason read weight, and his narrowing it down to Nacho seems natural. You can argue that he then said, "Well, maybe it's you/jason," but I really think his thought process looked very organic, and I never overtly suggested there was a link.
Add to that his only scum motivation for quickhammering someone he's sure will claim vanilla is to mimic what he'd actually do as town, or possibly prevent people from changing their minds on Whiskers (a good move if he thinks he can get away with it, but one that
really
wasn't necessary), and that his hammer made sense given how convinced he seemed that he'd wrapped up the game. (That doesn't change that it was stupid and needlessly flashy for the sake of it, of course.)
As for reads/stances...that's the tough part. I feel like we've gone from having very clear reads to very murky ones. Empire actually wants to lynch
you
, believe it or not, or possibly Nacho. I suspect pretty much everyone to some extent, but personally feel like jason is the "safest" option. I'm really on the fence on you, because some things you've said this game seem unlikely to be fake (for example, being so thrown off by the Sixty kill). But I wasn't fond of your stance on Whiskers, and your attack on CES...well, it's really, REALLY bad. Suspecting him is fine, but the reasons you're giving for suspecting him feel completely stretched. For example, although I can understand having a
town
read on Syryana based on that big post, agreeing with his
reasoniny
is weird. CES didn't contribute on D1? You had CES as a town read for his play on D1, for crying out loud! And that's not even getting into the NK WIFOM (which is a lot more plausible for an inexperienced player than an experienced one).
Speaking of which, I'll give Syryana a more in-depth answer to his question later.
