League of Legends (Old)

[DeathRowKitty]

I don't know, maybe I'm too hard on people that consistently post in this thread to whine about their OMG NOOB FEEDER TEAMMATES, but how hard is it to take the good with the bad and let it balance out while trying to improve the one person on your team you have control over? If you have some terrible player on your team in 80% of your games over the span of 100 games that causes you to lose, you are the least lucky man alive, you have issues with perception/memory, or the problem is you. One of those 3 options is least likely by a very very wide margin.

tl;dr: Keep playing and improving. If you find that you're not moving up after a lot of games, don't blame your teammates.

[JDodge]

I don't know, maybe I'm too hard on people that consistently post in this thread to whine about their OMG NOOB FEEDER TEAMMATES, but how hard is it to take the good with the bad and let it balance out while trying to improve the one person on your team you have control over? If you have some terrible player on your team in 80% of your games over the span of 100 games that causes you to lose, you are the least lucky man alive, you have issues with perception/memory, or the problem is you. One of those 3 options is least likely by a very very wide margin.

tl;dr: Keep playing and improving. If you find that you're not moving up after a lot of games, don't blame your teammates.

I feel like to an extent that's true (and you have a valid point on his post), but there's a certain negative feedback loop you can lock yourself into that makes things even worse. Self-examination and critique is important. Not locking yourself into a loop of "I'm the worst player in the planet and everything is terrible" is even more important. It's pretty much the entire reason why I've lost a lot of my desire to play this game, to be entirely honest. If venting about bad teammates helps keep them from being completely down on themselves it's probably not a bad thing.

[DeathRowKitty]

Not locking yourself into a loop of "I'm the worst player in the planet and everything is terrible" is even more important. It's pretty much the entire reason why I've lost a lot of my desire to play this game, to be entirely honest.

[TehBrawlGuy]

"We're losing, therefore I can't learn" is a terrible attitude. Any situation in which one does something wrong is a chance to learn.

I couldn't step up to the creep without Soraka and MF poking me while Lux sat at turret, probably because we had no ward coverage.

This is where he learns what warding is and that it's something that not only the support does. It's also where he learns to farm at tower so he doesn't get 59 cs in 20 minutes and call it 70. It's also where he learns how to play more safely in lane.


He had 8 deaths that game and the other team apparently had a fed Leblanc. How much do you want to bet at least one of those deaths wasn't from LEBLANC OUT OF NOWHERE? This is where he learns not to step out into areas of the map alone when his team doesn't have vision.


And so on and so forth. Unless he did nothing wrong that game, there's something to learn from it and saying "NOPE, CAN'T LEARN, WAITING 25 MINUTES TO LOSE" is a terrible attitude.

I'm not awful, I know how to ward and that I should as any role if I can't keep myself 100% safe. The only "gank" I died to was a behind-the-tower assault from LB after she already was super fed.

One of them was a LB OUT OF NOWHERE, after we were like 15 kills , 2 drags, 4 turrets, and an inhib down. I just lost all fun and/or morale. I knew it was probably stupid before did it, but it's not like the game was winnable at that point.

I was farming well at tower until Lux pushed the wave repeatedly. I can't un-push a lane unless I can reset it or something.

As far as the attitude, it's hard as hell to tell what I'm even doing wrong when I'm dying with no peel. Even if I do everything (what seems to be) right, I die anyway because LB/Mao/J4 jump me and I blow up even if I get out alive. There's no feedback. In a solo lane or a decently balanced lane, I can actually see what I'm doing and how it affects the game. If I knew how the hell to learn anything from a game like this, I'd at least be okay learning. As of now it's just a waste of my time, and I'd like to change that if possible. If you want to spectate or play a normal with me and tell me what I'm doing wrong, please do. I'm not interested in whining about shitty teams, but obviously I have to explain exactly what was going on there

I don't know, maybe I'm too hard on people that consistently post in this thread to whine about their OMG NOOB FEEDER TEAMMATES, but how hard is it to take the good with the bad and let it balance out while trying to improve the one person on your team you have control over? If you have some terrible player on your team in 80% of your games over the span of 100 games that causes you to lose, you are the least lucky man alive, you have issues with perception/memory, or the problem is you. One of those 3 options is least likely by a very very wide margin.

tl;dr: Keep playing and improving. If you find that you're not moving up after a lot of games, don't blame your teammates.

That's exactly what I'm trying to do, I just have no idea how. I'm not trying to vent or whine, I'm just legitimately confused about what the hell it is I'm supposed to do.

ftr, though, when I preface the whole post with "I'm not trying to complain, but seriously, how do you win these games?", you could stand to be less of an ass. If I'm already frustrated and down and making a legitimate request for advice, I don't need high-and-mighty all in my face. I need legitimate, down to earth help. If you want to give that to me, I'd gratefully take it.

[JDodge]

Not locking yourself into a loop of "I'm the worst player in the planet and everything is terrible" is even more important. It's pretty much the entire reason why I've lost a lot of my desire to play this game, to be entirely honest.

Eh, it's more the fact that I feel me being hard on myself spills over into me being hard on everyone else and I feel I make casual playing really, really unpleasant for the people playing with me in general (and the team's not doing well, so I'm not getting much playtime there either).

I also feel like a lot of trying to learn from absolutely everything is in the end almost pointless because you're focusing too little on any one specific of your play (and thus not getting any significant returns on it). My current strategy for self-improvement involves focusing on one little aspect and beating myself up over that one bit (currently warding in mid lane, next up is probably roaming more) until I'm magically better. I feel this will in turn cause stronger long-term gains than just nitpicking everything.

[Brandi]

TBG, you should start stretching to improve your confidence in league!

[Glork]

I'm guessing you complain about it on MS while saying you're not doing so.

When you get past that step, the next step is to try to get better instead of spending 25 minutes waiting around to lose.

To be fair, MS seems to be a setting more appropriate for whining, and less for seeking gameplay improvement. Feedback is only marginally more supportive (or even available) here than it is in games or on various LoL forums.

[TheButtonmen]

Jungle tax is stupid and people who try to use it as an excuse to steal a creep or two should feel bad.

1. Did you kill the hero / drive them out of lane?
Yes - Just start pushing and ram the lane to tower or take down the tower while they're gone.
No - Then go to 2.

2. Did you get the opponent's summoners?
Yes - Then FFS don't push the wave, you want to leave and come back and murder them before they get a chance to reward or get flash back up.
No - You didn't help your laner so don't put them behind by soaking up XP / CS.

[TheButtonmen]

Also Runic Bulwark / Locket of Iron Solari is op as hell and any jungler who isn't going that build path is either a snowballing, an assassin or bad, please stop trying to open warmogs on junglers.

[Bub Bidderskins]

"We're losing, therefore I can't learn" is a terrible attitude. Any situation in which one does something wrong is a chance to learn.

I couldn't step up to the creep without Soraka and MF poking me while Lux sat at turret, probably because we had no ward coverage.

This is where he learns what warding is and that it's something that not only the support does. It's also where he learns to farm at tower so he doesn't get 59 cs in 20 minutes and call it 70. It's also where he learns how to play more safely in lane.


He had 8 deaths that game and the other team apparently had a fed Leblanc. How much do you want to bet at least one of those deaths wasn't from LEBLANC OUT OF NOWHERE? This is where he learns not to step out into areas of the map alone when his team doesn't have vision.


And so on and so forth. Unless he did nothing wrong that game, there's something to learn from it and saying "NOPE, CAN'T LEARN, WAITING 25 MINUTES TO LOSE" is a terrible attitude.

I'm not awful, I know how to ward and that I should as any role if I can't keep myself 100% safe. The only "gank" I died to was a behind-the-tower assault from LB after she already was super fed.

One of them was a LB OUT OF NOWHERE, after we were like 15 kills , 2 drags, 4 turrets, and an inhib down. I just lost all fun and/or morale. I knew it was probably stupid before did it, but it's not like the game was winnable at that point.

I was farming well at tower until Lux pushed the wave repeatedly. I can't un-push a lane unless I can reset it or something.

As far as the attitude, it's hard as hell to tell what I'm even doing wrong when I'm dying with no peel. Even if I do everything (what seems to be) right, I die anyway because LB/Mao/J4 jump me and I blow up even if I get out alive. There's no feedback. In a solo lane or a decently balanced lane, I can actually see what I'm doing and how it affects the game. If I knew how the hell to learn anything from a game like this, I'd at least be okay learning. As of now it's just a waste of my time, and I'd like to change that if possible. If you want to spectate or play a normal with me and tell me what I'm doing wrong, please do. I'm not interested in whining about shitty teams, but obviously I have to explain exactly what was going on there

I don't know, maybe I'm too hard on people that consistently post in this thread to whine about their OMG NOOB FEEDER TEAMMATES, but how hard is it to take the good with the bad and let it balance out while trying to improve the one person on your team you have control over? If you have some terrible player on your team in 80% of your games over the span of 100 games that causes you to lose, you are the least lucky man alive, you have issues with perception/memory, or the problem is you. One of those 3 options is least likely by a very very wide margin.

tl;dr: Keep playing and improving. If you find that you're not moving up after a lot of games, don't blame your teammates.

That's exactly what I'm trying to do, I just have no idea how. I'm not trying to vent or whine, I'm just legitimately confused about what the hell it is I'm supposed to do.

ftr, though, when I preface the whole post with "I'm not trying to complain, but seriously, how do you win these games?", you could stand to be less of an ass. If I'm already frustrated and down and making a legitimate request for advice, I don't need high-and-mighty all in my face. I need legitimate, down to earth help. If you want to give that to me, I'd gratefully take it.

I try to keep my spirits up by laughing at my own mistakes. If I die in a hilariously bad way, I look at it and think, lol, that was hilariously bad. It makes me smile, but it also teaches me something. Also, remember to give yourself a pat on the back when you do something right, even if your teammates don't. One game, I landed a beautiful cross-map ashe arrow that resulted in a kill. I thought to myself "that was awesome," and I felt good, even if nobody said anything.

There is a balance to be had. If you only focus on your teammates, then you'll never improve, but if you always focus on yourself, you'll get depressed. Also keep in mind that you can learn from your teammates' mistakes as well. When they make a bad play, don't think "OMG noob team", and for the love of god don't abuse them in chat. Instead, think of what they should have done in that situation. Then, if you're put there some game, you'll make the right choice.

And never, EVER, forget that this is a game and you are supposed to have fun. I've played some really fun games that I ended up losing, just because I invested my energy into enjoying myself and not into trying to win at all costs.

[Ankamius]

I found so many garbage and terrible mistakes in that Ahri game today that it was actually pretty embarrassing.

[Brandi]

Just the title of this video, ahahahahah.

[IH]

Jungle tax is stupid and people who try to use it as an excuse to steal a creep or two should feel bad.

1. Did you kill the hero / drive them out of lane?
Yes - Just start pushing and ram the lane to tower or take down the tower while they're gone.
No - Then go to 2.

2. Did you get the opponent's summoners?
Yes - Then FFS don't push the wave, you want to leave and come back and murder them before they get a chance to reward or get flash back up.
No - You didn't help your laner so don't put them behind by soaking up XP / CS.

How dare someone on your team get money?

[Staeg]

Jungle tax is stupid and people who try to use it as an excuse to steal a creep or two should feel bad.

1. Did you kill the hero / drive them out of lane?
Yes - Just start pushing and ram the lane to tower or take down the tower while they're gone.
No - Then go to 2.

2. Did you get the opponent's summoners?
Yes - Then FFS don't push the wave, you want to leave and come back and murder them before they get a chance to reward or get flash back up.
No - You didn't help your laner so don't put them behind by soaking up XP / CS.

How dare someone on your team get money?

They don't get money, though. The money doesn't conjure itself. They literally steal it from you.

[IH]

Jungle tax is stupid and people who try to use it as an excuse to steal a creep or two should feel bad.

1. Did you kill the hero / drive them out of lane?
Yes - Just start pushing and ram the lane to tower or take down the tower while they're gone.
No - Then go to 2.

2. Did you get the opponent's summoners?
Yes - Then FFS don't push the wave, you want to leave and come back and murder them before they get a chance to reward or get flash back up.
No - You didn't help your laner so don't put them behind by soaking up XP / CS.

How dare someone on your team get money?

They don't get money, though. The money doesn't conjure itself. They literally steal it from you.

It's someone on your team, it's not like they're giving the enemy money?

Not only that, the xp is super huge to a jungler. Every bit of money and xp is important to them.

[Brandi]

Yeah, I mean- especially when your teammates generally feel free to help themselves to your blue, your wraiths, wolves, etc. constantly- I see nothing wrong with giving the jangler a little bit of money. Obviously not push up your lane when it's unnecessary, but a few creeps? Come on.

[Staeg]

Yeah, I mean- especially when your teammates generally feel free to help themselves to your blue, your wraiths, wolves, etc. constantly- I see nothing wrong with giving the jangler a little bit of money. Obviously not push up your lane when it's unnecessary, but a few creeps? Come on.

No, you don't take wraiths when your jungler is in full position to do it - that'd be this exact situation except in reverse. Same for golems. The blue buff? The laner can usually use it way more, and if he can't, then again, it's the same thing.
And yes, it probably won't make a big difference - but then, why do it when you can go and farm jungle camps and be efficient?

[TehBrawlGuy]

TBG, you should start stretching to improve your confidence in league!

That's fascinating.

Jungle tax is stupid and people who try to use it as an excuse to steal a creep or two should feel bad.

1. Did you kill the hero / drive them out of lane?
Yes - Just start pushing and ram the lane to tower or take down the tower while they're gone.
No - Then go to 2.

2. Did you get the opponent's summoners?
Yes - Then FFS don't push the wave, you want to leave and come back and murder them before they get a chance to reward or get flash back up.
No - You didn't help your laner so don't put them behind by soaking up XP / CS.

How dare someone on your team get money?

They don't get money, though. The money doesn't conjure itself. They literally steal it from you.

It's awful when the champ who's presence is global, is the most roaming, is the least well farmed of any non-support, and still somehow in charge of objectives gets gold. It really is.

Aside from blatant dumbness or selfishness, junglers need that gold. If I just spent half a minute ganking your lane instead of farming, and I didn't at least get assist gold, I'm falling behind. Obviously, if I can come back in a minute to get that assist gold, pushing is dumb, but if I can't, I need that gold .

There is a balance to be had. If you only focus on your teammates, then you'll never improve, but if you always focus on yourself, you'll get depressed. Also keep in mind that you can learn from your teammates' mistakes as well. When they make a bad play, don't think "OMG noob team", and for the love of god don't abuse them in chat. Instead, think of what they should have done in that situation. Then, if you're put there some game, you'll make the right choice.

And never, EVER, forget that this is a game and you are supposed to have fun. I've played some really fun games that I ended up losing, just because I invested my energy into enjoying myself and not into trying to win at all costs.

How can I do that when generally I can't even see what they did? If they're dying across the map, all I know is that _____ is fed and ______ is feeding. As far as bad plays in teamfights, it's always the same things. No peel, getting caught out, positioning mistakes, over chasing, etc.

Yeah, I just don't really have fun when I'm not getting any feedback. Losing lane/game to a team that legitimately plays better than I do is somewhat fun. Losing the game to someone that can just faceroll me because they're stupidly fed sucks. I had an awesome TT game today where I started 4/0, but my team fed a Gold AD Yi, and hilarity ensued. He rolled his way from like 1/4 to 12/4, one inhib, and one base turret down for us, thanks to our lack of coordination and CC. (Shy, Eve, Taric) Then I finally just said. "I am going to not stun anything, wait for Yi to jump us, and then stun him. BLOW HIM UP WHILE WE CAN." And so we did. He was surviving it with Meditate before we started to even the game, but once we did, he just would go boom instantly. He made a brilliant backdoor attempt and got the nexus turret and some damage on the Nexus, but I b'd quickly and stopped him. After a long series of teamfights and barely surviving, we did end up winning the game, but I would have still had a ton of fun if we lost it. For the last 15-20 minutes it was literally one bad fight and they'd GG.

I actually learned in that game, because I got feedback from the game. I would stun Yi when he overextended, but we weren't able to burst him fast enough since we had to walk there, and he'd ace us. When I saved it for when he was on top of us already, we blew him up even with perfect Galio ults on us. I learned how stupidly important it is to save that stun, and my Taric play has definitely improved as a result. Nidalee was chunking our Eve with pre-fight spears until I started blocking them with my face. (I could heal 2/3rds of it away on the spot, lol) I learned some about how you should play tanky characters, and do things like literally walk into every spear to cover your team's poor positioning.

[PJ.]

Eh, it's more the fact that I feel me being hard on myself spills over into me being hard on everyone else and I feel I make casual playing really, really unpleasant for the people playing with me in general (and the team's not doing well, so I'm not getting much playtime there either).

yup sounds like me too.

[Ankamius]

So I learned today that a dead Karthus picking up a buff means that it's off the map for five minutes.

Good to know.

[Staeg]

It's awful when the champ who's presence is global, is the most roaming, is the least well farmed of any non-support, and still somehow in charge of objectives gets gold. It really is.

Aside from blatant dumbness or selfishness, junglers need that gold. If I just spent half a minute ganking your lane instead of farming, and I didn't at least get assist gold, I'm falling behind. Obviously, if I can come back in a minute to get that assist gold, pushing is dumb, but if I can't, I need that gold .

Wrong. Again, you're assuming the money conjures itself.

[PJ.]

ftr, though, when I preface the whole post with "I'm not trying to complain, but seriously, how do you win these games?", you could stand to be less of an ass. If I'm already frustrated and down and making a legitimate request for advice, I don't need high-and-mighty all in my face. I need legitimate, down to earth help. If you want to give that to me, I'd gratefully take it.

1) Don't preface a complaint with "I'm not trying to complain"

2) Don't die 8 times

3) Farm better/convince your support to help you so you can farm better/farm under tower/ figure out how to get you average about where it needs to be. (Good = 75 per 10min, Average = 50 per 10, Less than 50 per 10 = it's probably your fault)

4) You're gonna lose 40% of your games even if you're the best player in the world. Don't let it get you down. Stay positive, try to win the winnable ones

[Brandi]

@TBG? Was that a sarcastic response? Because I wasn't being serious I just wanted to share the video.

[TehBrawlGuy]

ftr, though, when I preface the whole post with "I'm not trying to complain, but seriously, how do you win these games?", you could stand to be less of an ass. If I'm already frustrated and down and making a legitimate request for advice, I don't need high-and-mighty all in my face. I need legitimate, down to earth help. If you want to give that to me, I'd gratefully take it.

1) Don't preface a complaint with "I'm not trying to complain"

2) Don't die 8 times

3) Farm better/convince your support to help you so you can farm better/farm under tower/ figure out how to get you average about where it needs to be. (Good = 75 per 10min, Average = 50 per 10, Less than 50 per 10 = it's probably your fault)

4) You're gonna lose 40% of your games even if you're the best player in the world. Don't let it get you down. Stay positive, try to win the winnable ones

1) It wasn't a complaint. I know there are Plat/Diamond players that can get 80% winrates on Silver smurfs, so clearly most of these games are winnable by players better than myself. I did have to actually explain how fed the enemy team was for context. If they were like 6 kills up or something, "don't suck, position better" would have applied.

2) How would I have gone about doing that, considering who the enemy team was and how fed they were? I average 3.8/game. That's obviously nothing to write home about, but it's not 8.

3) I average a little under 150/game with Corki. (and that counts games like this where I just can't CS at all) Not amazing, but I don't think it's subpar, and I like to think that's somewhat offset by the fact that I'm usually playing pretty aggressive and get a little under 7 kills/game.

4) I try to, but I'm legitimately confused as to how the hell you win them. Here's my average K/D/A (in order) with Ryze, Corki, Sona, Taric, and Nunu, the five champs I know best and play the most of currently:

6.2/game 3.4/game 6.4/game
6.8/game 4.2/game 6.4/game
1.5/game 4.5/game 13.1/game
1.2/game 3.3/game 12.4/game
1.4/game 3.9/game 14.3/game


I'm consistently winning my lane by at LEAST 2.6 kills, over periods of ~40 games, so why have I lost 7 more than I've won this season? I just don't get it at all. I'm not just focusing on kills, I keep running Drag timers and, as Jungle, get more drags/barons than I lose.

My K/D/A over all ~160 of my ranked games this season 3.4/3.8/9.4. Considering about 60 of those were support games, I'm very happy with it.


@Brandi: That was dead serious. One of my IRL friends is planning to major in psychology, (and everyone can tell, lol) and I have a passing interest in it myself, so I thought that was really cool. It's absolutely crazy how the chemistry in your body affects your behavior.

[IH]

Yeah, I mean- especially when your teammates generally feel free to help themselves to your blue, your wraiths, wolves, etc. constantly- I see nothing wrong with giving the jangler a little bit of money. Obviously not push up your lane when it's unnecessary, but a few creeps? Come on.

No, you don't take wraiths when your jungler is in full position to do it - that'd be this exact situation except in reverse. Same for golems. The blue buff? The laner can usually use it way more, and if he can't, then again, it's the same thing.
And yes, it probably won't make a big difference - but then, why do it when you can go and farm jungle camps and be efficient?

Because I sat in a bush to get a good gank off, and I can fall behind and be useless, or I can take some xp and gold so I don't fall behind the enemy jungler who could be counterjungling or getting a successful gank off?