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Post Post #650 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:07 am

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RandomYoshi wrote:It's not that hard to spot. Before you voted him, you were his strongest scumread. But when you voted him, you suddenly became a townread of his. Then, when I was beginning to suspect him, he puts me in a "confirmed Town club".

It's all so clear. He's also very, very quick to try to blend in.


Remembrance wrote:Guys. Varsoon probably called it.

It's Fuzzy and NS.

This totally isn't you sheeping the collaborative townread's thoughts exactly. Nope, totally not.


That's pretty much how I'm feeling about this situation right now.
Although, if he flips town, you're pretty screwed, Yoshi.
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Post Post #651 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:46 am

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Doing what GuyInfreezer just did goes against his win con. And so does it go for me. I'd be trolling if I were scum. This is how reads work. I don't believe you lied to me and were actually fooled by GuyInfreezer's bluff. If GuyInfreezer is scum, then he deserves to live to day two for having the balls to go against his won con to get there. Because he has directly aided town to get that level of trust and lowered his own chance of victory. Not day 3, but easily day 2.

I don't want to be all "you probably should unvote me" because the last two times I did it, I just got voted more. But, you should probably unvote me. I don't work well under pressure. Seriously, I get distracted.

These reads are there for a reason. They change for a reason. Why the fuzzy read change? Because he's directly complained to me about my reads twice. His read of Varsoon seemed fake. And other such things. ISO him. He's doing a job of being town. But he hasn't directly scum hunted and I don't think Kuror is scum, especially when he keeps trying to correct my perspective (which, he needs to realize is that I'm not as confident about these things as I appear). Like I said, Fuzzy had the power, but he hasn't really used it to be more town. But to SEEM more town. The same with NS he's being too slow and appearing town, too late. Which is why I suspect him.

NS thought Yoshi was scum, when he was in fact town and told me I hit my head. Is this someone whos plans have been ruined or town suffering from minor cognitive dissonance? Why did he say that Varsoon was not so town? These are questions that deserve to be asked.

I might seem overconfident, but I spent twenty minutes analyzing Yoshi's posts making sure I just didn't get wifomed before coming to the conclusion that he was town, I'm more cautious than most of you. GuyInfreezer is more overconfident than I am for quickly calling that Yoshi was town when he very well might have faked his death posts (but I've read it and read his iso and am satisfied that scum would not play like he has). His perspective on my lack of "faith" in my own reads is something I can emphasize with, because I don't know who's scum and who is not, I just know who probably isn't scum and who is probably town and who gives us the most information when they flip

Two heavily leaning town members at this point is bad for scum. Extremely bad for scum. Scum don't do what I just did. But, I'm used to not being listened too yet and as well I shouldn't be, it's day 1. But like I said what I'm doing is providing information for day 2. And :( Well, I'd really appreciate if you'd let me live to day 2, because the only case on me so far is, "Too sure of himself, oh and his reads flip every few pages" How this has gotten me to l-2 is beyond me.

I think Varsoon and Yoshi are town. Who doesn't think they are town and doing the greatest con-game ever? I don't think they are. They're town to me. If that makes me suspicious then so be it.

Why is it that all 3 probable town members are voted on me? I don't get it. Maybe GuyInfreezer is just trying to bug me, like he knows it does. Get off. Better spent elsewhere. I am scum hunting. Meta me. I might be flailing but I am town and the fact you guys can't see it (Only mean Yoshi and Varsoon) is showing your clear inexperience. Which is good, because it just gives me more confidence in my reads about you two. But it's bad because you've both parked your vote where it shouldn't be. I shut up because Varsoon voted me and requested it of me. But Yoshi just paranoia voted me, not good.
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Post Post #652 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:19 am

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Remembrance wrote:Doing what GuyInfreezer just did goes against
his
win con. And so does it go for me. I'd be trolling if I were scum. This is how reads work. I don't believe
you
lied to me and were actually fooled by GuyInfreezer's bluff. If GuyInfreezer is scum, then he deserves to live to day two for having the balls to go against his won con to get there. Because he has directly aided town to get that level of trust and lowered his own chance of victory. Not day 3, but easily day 2.


Who is this "he"? Who is this "you"? Why would you troll as scum? Trolling will only get you a policy lynch on yourself, which is not favorable to you regardless of your alignment.

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I don't want to be all "you probably should unvote me" because the last two times I did it, I just got voted more. But, you should probably unvote me. I don't work well under pressure. Seriously, I get distracted.

Are you seriously asking us to unvote you just because you don't work well under pressure? People who doesn't work under pressure is a very good wagon target because people can get a really good reaction out of them by just wagoning.

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These reads are there for a reason. They change for a reason. Why the fuzzy read change? Because he's directly complained to me about my reads twice. His read of Varsoon seemed fake. And other such things. ISO him. He's doing a job of being town. But he hasn't directly scum hunted and I don't think Kuror is scum, especially when he keeps trying to correct my perspective (which, he needs to realize is that I'm not as confident about these things as I appear). Like I said, Fuzzy had the power, but he hasn't really used it to be more town. But to SEEM more town. The same with NS he's being too slow and appearing town, too late. Which is why I suspect him.

Don't just tell people to ISO themselves to prove your point. Once you make your point, it is your job to convince other people with various evidence that YOU found.

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NS thought Yoshi was scum, when
he was in fact town
and told me I hit my head. Is this someone whos plans have been ruined or town suffering from minor cognitive dissonance? Why did he say that Varsoon was not so town? These are questions that deserve to be asked.

These kind of things are the part of the reason I have my vote on you. How are you SO sure that someone is town? People can be confident about calling someone town, but stating someone as "confirmed" town implies that you 100% KNOW that he's town. And at this point, who knows which people are 100% town? Scums.

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I might seem overconfident, but I spent twenty minutes analyzing Yoshi's posts making sure I just didn't get wifomed before coming to the conclusion that he was town, I'm more cautious than most of you. GuyInfreezer is more overconfident than I am for quickly calling that Yoshi was town when he very well might have faked his death posts (but I've read it and read his iso and am satisfied that scum would not play like he has). His perspective on my lack of "faith" in my own reads is something I can emphasize with, because
I don't know who's scum and who is not
, I just know who probably isn't scum and who is probably town and who gives us the most information when they flip

This directly contradicts your previous paragraph.

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Two heavily leaning town members at this point is bad for scum. Extremely bad for scum. Scum don't do what I just did. But, I'm used to not being listened too yet and as well I shouldn't be, it's day 1. But like I said what I'm doing is providing information for day 2. And :(
Well, I'd really appreciate if you'd let me live to day 2
, because the only case on me so far is, "Too sure of himself, oh and his reads flip every few pages" How this has gotten me to l-2 is beyond me.

I'm beginning to see a survivalism from you, which is almost always a scumtell.

Remembrance wrote:
I think Varsoon and Yoshi are town. Who doesn't think they are town and doing the greatest con-game ever? I don't think they are. They're town to me. If that makes me suspicious then so be it.

It will make you suspicious of course. BTW I have Varsoon as null. I didn't like his "oh RY is not getting lynched. Moving on." part.

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Why is it that all 3
probable
town members are voted on me? I don't get it. Maybe GuyInfreezer is just trying to bug me, like he knows it does. Get off. Better spent elsewhere. I am scum hunting. Meta me. I might be flailing but I am town and the fact you guys can't see it (Only mean Yoshi and Varsoon) is showing your clear inexperience. Which is good, because it just gives me more confidence in my reads about you two. But it's bad because you've both parked your vote where it shouldn't be. I shut up because Varsoon voted me and requested it of me. But Yoshi just paranoia voted me, not good.

Probable? You just called Varsoon and Yoshi town in your previous paragraph. Sure, I started with little joke-poke on you, but I've been serious for a while.
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Post Post #653 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:20 am

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He = GuyInfreezer
You = Yoshi.
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Post Post #654 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:21 am

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They're prob town, not "They're town, but I'll actually change my mind tomorrow after they post some more."
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Post Post #655 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:22 am

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Seriously, legitimately playing toward your win con earns a pretty strong town read from me. Scum don't town hunt. Scum don't break down viable wagons on VANILLA town.
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Post Post #656 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:28 am

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Didn't you see my reasoning posts for Yoshi being Prob town?

He said day 2, Nacho needs to post more. Which means he thought he was actually dead.

He also made that scum slip, which was not a scum slip, but indicative of being town because scum don't write like that and make that sorta mistake. They type neater.
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Post Post #657 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:29 am

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@Mod: It's prod time for Nacho
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Post Post #658 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:30 am

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Scum don't town hunt and make me look good by offering to self-hammer.

They don't say "I'll flip town just saying"

Because I do that, when I'm actually town.

Whatever, I make cases for both alignments. I try to trap scum or catch scum. Right now, I'm trapping scum by getting strong town reads. I'm killing this game to death and the scum know it.
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Post Post #659 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:32 am

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wait. nvm. 1 hour left. stupid summertime stuff.

p-edit: Woah there.

Saying "I'll flip town just saying" is a null-tell at best. What makes you think that scum will NOT say such thing?
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Post Post #660 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:34 am

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Do you think that's the only thing I said? I've made a case. Deconstruct the whole thing. He's confident he's town enough to claim. I believe him right now. He's a strong town read. And scum wanted him dead because the wagon wasn't stalling. That's my case. It's a good one, my logic might be strange, but there you go, I'm strange and probably right.
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Post Post #661 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:39 am

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I'm not saying that it's the only reason that you think Yoshi is town. I'm asking your reasoning behind it, because imo you're not considering a wifom with your reasoning.
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Post Post #662 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:40 am

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I did consider a wifom. Look at my posts. I was only "I'm oscillating, and I hope they're not a scum team"

Read my posts :( please, I was totally worried I got tricked and so started investigating. That's why I backed UP my reasoning, because I wasn't sure.
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Post Post #663 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:43 am

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Oops. Sorry. I had your posts and Varsoon's posts mixed up. (TBH, there were not much difference between you guys' posts lately <_<)
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Post Post #664 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:43 am

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FYI I was thinking of Varsoon's 603.
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Post Post #665 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:45 am

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Oh Varsoon, in case you're wondering what "wifom" is.

It stands for "Wine In Front of Me." It's this type of thinking: "scum would do this because they think I would do this, but actually they might think I'm doing that but I should do this, but what if THAT'S WHAT THEY EXPECTED ME TO DO!?!?" Mind games, basically.
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Post Post #666 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:47 am

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That's IC's job, Rem.

Oh wait. He's not even here. :igmeou:
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Post Post #667 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:48 am

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Null tell, check the meta. I'm just the helpful sort. And Varsoon refuses to check the wiki.
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Post Post #668 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:51 am

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You didn't get it, did you? :P
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Post Post #669 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:51 am

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Nope :(
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Post Post #670 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:52 am

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GuyInFreezer wrote:That's IC's job, Rem.

Oh wait. He's not even here.
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Post Post #671 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:55 am

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*Checks role pm* Unvote me please, I'm town. I just want to know if it's even possible for someone to do it if I ask at this point. You can revote me again in another post on a whim if you want.
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Post Post #672 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:55 am

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Just stalked Nacho's profile and it seems like he's announcing his LA that lasts about a week. and we have about week left. :<
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Post Post #673 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:06 am

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Varsoon wrote:Although, if he flips town, you're pretty screwed, Yoshi.

Why am I the only one who is screwed if Rem flips Town?
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Post Post #674 (ISO) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:09 am

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@GuyInfreezer: I'd be trolling if I were scum, because I'm calling out extremely probable town reads with their Iso's clearly indicating that they're probably town. I'd be playing against my win con by pointing these factors out.
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