Micro 134 (F11) (Game Over!)

[Zachrulez]

6th vote count of day 2:

Nachomamma8 - 2 (Cogito Ergo Sum, Dazed and Confused)
JasonT1981 - 2 (Nachomamma8, Syryana)
Syryana - 1 (FourTrouble)

Not Voting: (JasonT1981, Sotty7)

With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2013-03-18 20:00:00)

[jasonT1981]

Moe convinced on a CES flip scum than Nacho atm.

vote:CES

On the fence about Nacho. More sure CES will flip scum

[Dazed and Confused]

What is FourTrouble to you, chopped liver?

Speaking of which, I'd also like an answer to this:

Jason, I thought 145 referred to a different game?

[jasonT1981]

Yea, it did, sorry.. still getting games mixed up (im in 2 with him) but still very unsettled by his L-1 vote.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Sixty and Dazzled and Charmed both seemed like obvious enough kills. I don't think speculating on the nightkill is particularly fruitful when there are no strong reasons to favour one or the other; the reason could easily be something silly or idiosynchratic.

So why did you ask in the first place? I mean if there is no point specualting?

I didn't ask...

More tomorrow when I have actual time and/or space.

[Dazed and Confused]

Yea, it did, sorry.. still getting games mixed up (im in 2 with him) but still very unsettled by his L-1 vote.

Why are you unsettled by his vote? It seems like you haven't given any deeper analysis than "he cast the L-1 vote on a mislynch"! (That's not exactly a rare occurrence in Mafia.) What exactly is scummy about his vote in particular? Was Whiskers a bad target?

I was going to write off the game thing as an honest mistake, but the more I think about it, the more this is really something that shouldn't come from town (although after the Whiskers fiasco, I'm not ready to put

anything

past town). You just gave a made-up reason for why you suspect FT. If you're town, you shouldn't be going, "Look at this thing I said about FT early on D1! This proves that my stance on him is consistent." You should actually know in your head

what

behaviour of FT's is scummy.

Have you basically just admitted that your actual reasons for suspecting FT are fake?

Also, I'm confused by why you felt the need to announce that you'd be willing to "push" on FT, but then you decided to tell us that you were choosing CES over

Nacho

. Why was this a decision between CES and Nacho for you?

[Dazed and Confused]

FT, I've got a really random question. What do you know about Josh's meta?

A lot of lurking + him getting replaced out often.

Next question: how do you know this about his meta?

FT, what did/do you think of my hammer?

It didn't come as any surprise. I probably would have done the same if you had voted for Whiskers before me. Why did you say Syryana's 383 wasn't bad?

You'd have hammered Syryana immediately after if CES had cast an L-1 vote?

[Nachomamma8]

LA for the next week.

Nacho, do you still think it's a Sotty-jason scumteam?

Yes.

I don't want this to sound harsh, because I like you and respect you as a Mafia player, but we're here to find scum, not to keep you entertained. There's plenty of stuff to engage with if you try. (Alternately, don't sign up for additional games in the first place if you're in so many that you can't pretend to care about all of them). Did you read our posts before the last one? You'd see that you are actually our number one barrier to voting jason right now. If you got sucked into a black hole and removed from the game, or if you were mod-confirmed as town, our vote would be on jason. But you're here. So our vote is on you instead. How does that make you feel?

I didn't mean for it to come across that way. I do care about the game at the moment, but it's not important for me to engage CRISIS MODE right now, if that makes sense. I do plan on engaging Sotty after she follows up on her #476, but until then I have everything I need.

[jasonT1981]

Also, I'm confused by why you felt the need to announce that you'd be willing to "push" on FT, but then you decided to tell us that you were choosing CES over Nacho. Why was this a decision between CES and Nacho for you?

Nacho is lower on my scum - read, I don't even think I have come out and said he is scum. why is that hard to understand? right now CES/FT are my two picks for scum not Nacho.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Why did you mention Nacho then when you decided to vote for me?

[Syryana]

Why did you mention Nacho then when you decided to vote for me?

Because he's wildly inconsistent and can't keep his scumlogic straight?

[jasonT1981]

Why did you mention Nacho then when you decided to vote for me?

gee, why would I mention the leading wagon at the time of the vote? and then give a reason as to why I was going elsewhere other than the leading wagon.

Maybe because as I said, I am more on the fence about Nacho, and am more sure about CES/FT

I don't understand what you're even getting at... can't I mention someone else when making a vote?

your making an issue out of a non-issue here.

[jasonT1981]

leading wagon that was not myself, even.

[Dazed and Confused]

jason, you still haven't explained why you used a post that wasn't even referring to this game as a reason for suspecting FT.

I don't want this to sound harsh, because I like you and respect you as a Mafia player, but we're here to find scum, not to keep you entertained. There's plenty of stuff to engage with if you try. (Alternately, don't sign up for additional games in the first place if you're in so many that you can't pretend to care about all of them). Did you read our posts before the last one? You'd see that you are actually our number one barrier to voting jason right now. If you got sucked into a black hole and removed from the game, or if you were mod-confirmed as town, our vote would be on jason. But you're here. So our vote is on you instead. How does that make you feel?

I didn't mean for it to come across that way. I do care about the game at the moment, but it's not important for me to engage CRISIS MODE right now, if that makes sense. I do plan on engaging Sotty after she follows up on her #476, but until then I have everything I need.

You're about to get lynched. How is that not crisis mode?

CES, thoughts on a Sotty-jason scumteam now?

*Mod Note: Quote Tag Fixed

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

gee, why would I mention the leading wagon at the time of the vote?

That's a good question. You should answer it. I thought you were leaning my way for a while when you made that vote; if there was an issue that was worth going into, it'd be that of timing. Mentioning Nacho just looks like you felt the need to justify the vote.

@D&C, I'm more inclined to believe that Sotty was simply wrong at this point.

[Dazed and Confused]

Hi, don't mind me. It's "bombard CES with paranoid questions" day again. I know this is irritating, but I'm pretty sure the game is won by process of elimination, and I'd really rather tie up all the loose ends:

1) What made you change your mind on Sotty?
2) So...way back on page 2 when you voted Nacho, what exactly made him suspicious?
3) ...why are you actually answering my questions this game?

[Dazed and Confused]

(fuck, you're not online anymore. I wanted to hear your answers before posting something.)

[Dazed and Confused]

FourTrouble, are you around? Thoughts on Syryana's explanation for his jason vote--does that make you more or less certain of your read? Anything else you're thinking about recent developments?

[Zachrulez]

FourTrouble has been prodded.

[Sotty7]

i'm here

should read

[Sotty7]

Vote: Nacho

Enough pussyfooting around. There is a reason that I think Jason is town but I really don't want to come out with it until tomorrow if I can help it. I will feel like a dink if I read too much into what I saw, but live by the sword, die by the sword.

Nacho is pushing a bad line of thought on Jason that pretty much amounts to he is lazy and is making points I disagree with and if you knew Jason you would know, this is what he does. He has been stupidly lazy in ALL OF HIS GAMES lately. Really, go and look for yourself. I love Jason but he prone to bad arguments as town. Naho's other real reason for finding Jason scum is that he thinks were are scum together. If he really believed that he would be pushing it much more and appealing to players to see what he sees. Instead he has pretty much ignored me and pushed the easier lynch. IF nacho really thinks we're scum together surely we would both be optimal lynch bait for him, but I have felt zero pressure from him which makes me think it's all fake.

Syryana's vote on Jason also seems pretty contrived. Voted for reactions but now likes to keep his vote. Not really sure I buy that, but it's a MUCH better effort than Nacho at least.

Lynch - 1 might make him "engage" me now.

[Sotty7]

Jason, just give me the names of your last few scum games, I can link look myself. I need to check something.

[jasonT1981]

Jason, just give me the names of your last few scum games, I can link look myself. I need to check something.

Had to hunt, not had many games as scum recently. Mostly town. Last 4 I can find as scum

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=25233 Micro 112 (most recent)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=19193 that 70s show UPick
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=21919 - Team Mafia

I had a few others, but replaced out very early in them (like 1-2 posts) Don't even remember what they are now.

[FourTrouble]

Sorry I don't have a lot of time right now, I'm really busy at the moment until March 15.

[FourTrouble]

FT, I've got a really random question. What do you know about Josh's meta?

A lot of lurking + him getting replaced out often.

Next question: how do you know this about his meta?

FT, what did/do you think of my hammer?

It didn't come as any surprise. I probably would have done the same if you had voted for Whiskers before me. Why did you say Syryana's 383 wasn't bad?

You'd have hammered Syryana immediately after if CES had cast an L-1 vote?

I know about Josh from looking through a few of his previous games.

Re: hammering, I dunno to be honest. I've never been put in a position to hammer someone before, but I do know that I've never hesitated to vote for people I'm confident are scum, don't see why hammering would be any different.