Newbie 1339 - Game Over! (Scum Win)

[fuzzybutternut]

They should, yes. But don't you think scum would be more inclined to read it than town would?

[Remembrance]

Aren't scum more likely to look for players weaknesses and exploit them? Because that's what he did.

[Remembrance]

Gunna have to live with the fact Goku is scum Fuzzy, and Kuror0 isn't.

[RandomYoshi]

Fuzzy, Town should comment on things and make their voice heard. That's what they should do if they're good townies. But, Goku did not do that. He just commented on what the recent happenings were. That's not pro-Town.

[fuzzybutternut]

Yoshi-Where the hell did you come from?
Rem- I'm not saying he isn't scum, I just wanted your general opinion on the matter.

[Remembrance]

Look, I'm not even saying sheep me, just Iso him. That's what scum looks like that is what scum IS. It is their nature to manipulate. And that is what he did.

[RandomYoshi]

Fuzzy, realise how Goku attributed townpoints to you when you unvoted Goku but attributed scumpoints to me when I voted him for no apparent reason when I in fact already had my reasons out in the thread that supported my vote. He's just trying to mislead the Town, which is not pro-Town.

[Remembrance]

I think I get the question better now Fuzzy.

1. I pretty much refuse to believe that an initial reading of a town replacement would turn up with Yoshi being likely scum after that reaction test.
2.Look at RandomYoshi, just look at how that reaction test went. Could scum fake that? How good of a scum would you have to be to react that fast and write those reads in? Near impossible.

Goku has been buddying everywhere, he's using positive reinforcement to manipulate us. Maybe it's not that clear to you, but it's crystal clear to me. Iso read, read again. Keep looking. There's too much wrong and what Goku has done since he has joined this game. That's trapped scum, not a scum hunter.

[Varsoon]

You know what? Fine I'll just build a huge case on Goku, thought maybe I could get you guys just to look over Goku and see that he's scum by PoE but

I really want to win because I'm town

and I want to lynch scum.

Be grateful.

I want you guys to go to post 747#
1. Varsoon states he was frustrated that the wagon with Yoshi went no where when he worked on getting him lynched for so long.
2. Goku says he thinks Varsoon is town and agrees that Yoshi is scumcy (even though he both dropped his role and gave out ridiculously authentic rushed reads)
3. Varsoon, suffering from cognitive dissonance feels relieved to know that someone agrees with him ( says it himself)
4. At some point Varsoon revotes Yoshi.
5. Goku votes Yoshi. Plays the time card too, which is ridiculously scummy and says he won't lynch the second most likely scum player (who was the first until goku started posting and it became obvious he was scum)
6. #782 more buddying.
7. #835 Varsoon blatantly returns the favor, defending him, when he's actually scum. Buddying successful. I wasn't trying to pressure Goku, I already knew he was scum.
8.Varsoon begins openly to insult

Yoshi and I who both believe each other to be town

. Reminder, Guilt by association. Read my iso, I explicitly warned him of it, and he still ended up doing it, proving me completely right.
9. Varsoon says he's going to kill Yoshi and Fuzzy. Both are town and he's making a mistake doing, it not even examining the case on goku.
10. Goku is an alt, an experienced alt and he played Varsoon like a harp.

Can we lynch Goku now?

Goku reads Yoshi as scum in 711
I say I'm relieved someone else thinks that way of Yoshi in 749 as a litmus.
Goku put his vote on Random Yoshi in post 781.
I'll agree that 782 seems like buddying, but even I'd be interested in people's play-styles.

Except, after that, I don't mention Goku or post again until 835.
At this point, I bring up that you're (as you have always been), constantly reminding us that you're town, and that you're shifting the focus of the game on yet another person. It's too schizophrenic for me to comfortably accept. I took the chance to bold/underline you -still- doing that in the post I'm quoting. It just happened that your new target was Goku, who, at that point, had posted a meager 9 times, which hardly lets you build a case out of him. In fact, if anything, it seems like you're trying to illicit a response, or look for a slip, but that's so transparent that it's laughable. No, you're just upholding your current typical, annoying posting style.

I've been insulting you guys for a few reasons, but, at the most surface level, it's because you're both being annoying and contributing nothing to town.

It's actually worth noting that you've been building cases against people who suspect you--but the most obvious time this has happened is with Goku.
You read goku isn't scum in 640.
But he's on your scumlist in 765.
At this point, Goku had only read Kur0 and Yoshi as scum.
You vote Goku in 818.
At this point, the only thing you have to go off of is slight buddying reads with me.
It's pretty hypocritical, considering the levels of buddying you've been attempting.
Speaking of hypocrites, in 819 alone, you say that he's scumslipped for saying that you're town--except that he never called you town in the game. Ever. Oh, and just a few lines down in 819? You claim to know that Yoshi is town.


I could be missing something, but that's what I'm getting from my ISO's.

Nice try.
Here's where you build a case that he's playing me SO HARD.
Except even if he is, and you or Yoshi flips town, then he's immediate scum suspect.
If he isn't, and you or Yoshi flip scum, well, that makes my day and ruins yours.
Regardless,
Town wins in either scenario, which are both pretty likely at this point.


Rem, a strategy of several-posts-per-hour and no quoting makes ISOs harder to do. This is anti-town.
Employing a rhetoric of repetiton to constantly say "Lynch X, he is scum" and "I am town" is also really scummy.
I don't like your play-style, and I don't like the plays you've made during this game.
Let me re-iterate what this means for you.
It makes me pay more attention to you, and it makes you seem more like scum.
Even if you aren't scum, it makes you annoying to play with.
It's not a good way to play the game.
If I end up in another game with you, if you play this way, I will just quit the game.
It isn't fun.
It isn't town.


PREDIT
Also, your reaction test was terrible, contrived, and transparent.
Furthermore, all the points you make about other players (bussing,buddying,coaching,WIFOM,scumbluffing) are far more applicable when setting them upon you.

[Remembrance]

I'm not contributing anything to the town? How about you vote goku and find out.

[Varsoon]

UNVOTE: Random Yoshi
VOTE: Remembrance

I'm lynching your play-style.

[Varsoon]

My vote puts Remembrance at L-2.

[RandomYoshi]

Has anyone noticed how Goku has managed to split the Town into pieces with just a few posts?

[Remembrance]

I'm still town you know. You're playing directly against your win con by policy lynching me because you don't like my play style. That's anti-town. Extremely Anti-town. Read the theory.

[Remembrance]

Gunna have to live with the fake you're a puppet. You'll improve, I promise.

[Varsoon]

Has anyone noticed how Goku has managed to split the Town into pieces with just a few posts?

Nice redirect, Yoshi, but I'd prefer if you'd focus on the case that I am making against Rem.

Also, it was Rem who caused any reactions based around Goku. This is evident from my ISO.

If anyone's been making chaos this game, it's the guy who came in half-way through and has twice as many posts as me.

[Remembrance]

Yup, but I caught the scum team, so I did better than you.

[Varsoon]

I'm still town you know. You're playing directly against your win con by policy lynching me because you don't like my play style. That's anti-town. Extremely Anti-town. Read the theory.

Gunna have to live with the fake you're a puppet. You'll improve, I promise.

You replied exactly like I expected you to.
I specifically have been running a wagon on your playstyle, just to see when you'd bring up that it is a policy lynch.
Which is a misdirect, as
A- You're only at L-2.
B- I've been coupling every criticism of your play-style along with legitimate scum-reads of you.


Appeal to emotion?
Squeal more.

[RandomYoshi]

Remembrance is Town, which is why I am not participating in his lynch. His reaction test against me made me really certain that he was Town.

[Remembrance]

I guess you would rather lose, then be wrong about something. Remember Varsoon you're human. I'm human. And the fact you're doing this just shows you're human. This is nothing to be ashamed of after the game has ended. And both the scum players are dead. Don't let this bother you. It's normal to get emotional in mafia. At first at least.

[Remembrance]

Yoshi is mah buddy. Just saying. *hugs* But he's my town buddy. Town need teams too you know. Or else how does town win?

[Varsoon]

Yup, but I caught the scum team, so I did better than you.

A healthy compromise.
If you flip town,
then we lynch your 'scum team'.
If you flip scum,
Then we win.


Hey, look, town only loses after, what? 3-mislynches?
This will only result in one mislynch, tops, and in gives us town security.

I like the idea of security.

[Varsoon]

I guess you would rather lose, then be wrong about something. Remember Varsoon you're human. I'm human. And the fact you're doing this just shows you're human. This is nothing to be ashamed of after the game has ended. And both the scum players are dead. Don't let this bother you. It's normal to get emotional in mafia. At first at least.

Another appeal.

Keep Squealing.

[Remembrance]

Thank you Varsoon. I love you too. See you after the game. It's almost over

[Remembrance]

Yup, but I caught the scum team, so I did better than you.

A healthy compromise.
If you flip town,
then we lynch your 'scum team'.
If you flip scum,
Then we win.


Hey, look, town only loses after, what? 3-mislynches?
This will only result in one mislynch, tops, and in gives us town security.

I like the idea of security.

^ That's town, just saying.