Newbie 1336 (OVER)

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First game on this site, I have played before on other sites. Looks like a really slow pace compared to what I am used to which suites me just fine, I might get abit over eager thou if things doesnt happen as quickly as I want them to.

To the left of me you see my rolemodel and the person I strive to become, Dean Winchester. I play hard, I eat pie and I hopefully lynch bad guys.

[JasonWazza]

We don't need your life story just read the game >.>

No offense or anything.

[Messiah]

Newbie 1336 - Vote Count 2.4

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reham008 [L-1] - Cybertronix, JasonWazza, BrightEyedFish

JasonWazza [L-3] - reham008
BrightEyedFish [L-3] - Mr E Roll

Not Voting (2):

Captain Ribbit, Svenskt Stål

With seven alive it takes four to lynch.

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Phase Deadline:

(expired on 2013-03-25 12:00:00)

[Svenskt Stål]

We don't need your life story just read the game >.>

No offense or anything.

No offense given, none taken. From what I have picked up thus far you seem to be an experienced player in a sort of a guide role, could you talk to me about the general thoughts on cop cover, is it done, supposed to be done?

I have played on 2+2 and there we are supposed to "cover" the cop by leaving our own investigations.

I will give the game a solid reread tommorow, dont feel qualified to give any reads as of now, althou your "non bullshit" approach seems to stem from an eager gamesolver.

[JasonWazza]

I have no idea what 2+2 is BUT, we don't have any confirmed roles in the game and that's kinda the idea, we have at most 1 other power role (possibly none) and that would be either a cop or a doctor, we are already down a Jailkeeper however so claiming as any role is kinda wasteful right now.

[Mr E Roll]

I have played on 2+2 and there we are supposed to "cover" the cop by leaving our own investigations.

Is that supposed to say “leading” investigations?

If so, yes you are encouraged to lead your own investigations.

Town can’t rely on playing follow the cop since there is no certainty that there is one in the game. And even if there is one if he revealed himself he would certainly be targeted that night.

[Svenskt Stål]

The Night kill

So the wolves killed Xtian, I think that implicates Captain Ribbit. Xtian starts the game by voting him then associates him with MrZepher who would become the lynch. I can see this being a "Cop hunt" where the mafia thought Xtian had a mafia in Ribbit.

My town

BrightEyedFish
My most riliable town read, he was also the top townie for MrZepher who we know was a villager. I have been agreeing with his thoughtprocess in most posts.

MrE
Has had a more aggresive approach but I think he is a townie too. He has been suspicious with BEF this lynch day but I can see it being townie on townie violence.

Cybertronix
I liked his post where he explained concerns about loosing a power role, even if I dont agree with the content I can still see a townie doing it.

Jason Wazza
Having very little time for stupidity which I think and hope is a sign of an eager townie. I have also been agreeing with him on his case against reham, rehams vote yesterday really looked like it was a checklist for town approval. At the same time I am hesitant since he is the most experienced player in the game he would be capable of doing this as mafia. That is not fair, I know but still the thought bothers me.


Mafia
Ribbit - Is implicted by the NK
Reham - I agree with Jason on reham.

[Svenskt Stål]

I have no idea what 2+2 is BUT, we don't have any confirmed roles in the game and that's kinda the idea, we have at most 1 other power role (possibly none) and that would be either a cop or a doctor, we are already down a Jailkeeper however so claiming as any role is kinda wasteful right now.

I have played on 2+2 and there we are supposed to "cover" the cop by leaving our own investigations.

Not true. The fact that the mafia dont know for sure what the setup is is something the town can exploit.

Is that supposed to say “leading” investigations?

If so, yes you are encouraged to lead your own investigations.

Town can’t rely on playing follow the cop since there is no certainty that there is one in the game. And even if there is one if he revealed himself he would certainly be targeted that night.

No, its meant as "protect the cop". Like, we want the cop to continously provide his investigation for us in the thread, by dropping hints. But if he is the only one doing it then the wolfs can spot him easily. So what you do is that everyone acts like they are the cop, by saying something like "If I am cop then x is a good guy". The mafia will start killing people that are correct and we can draw info from it, also the cop can leave his info pretty clearly in the thread without muc suspicion.

That said, yes maybee there is no cop in this game, but thats not the point, the point is that the mafia dont know if there is a cop or not, and I belive that fact can be exploited.

[Svenskt Stål]

I have no idea what 2+2 is BUT, we don't have any confirmed roles in the game and that's kinda the idea, we have at most 1 other power role (possibly none) and that would be either a cop or a doctor, we are already down a Jailkeeper however so claiming as any role is kinda wasteful right now.

Fucked up my multi qoute. My answer to this is that I belive you are wrong.

[Svenskt Stål]

Oh, I keep using the term "wolf" instead of "mafia", its because that the forum I played on before used that setup.

[JasonWazza]

When i'm not on my phone I will go through all the theory for the above posts.

[Messiah]

Ms Marangal replaces Captain Ribbit effective immediately.

[JasonWazza]

Ms M stop stalking me

[Ms Marangal]

Pffttt... I am not stalking you, though I am surprised to see you're the IC. Give me a moment to catch up.

[Ms Marangal]

So. Many. Walls.

and why did you lynch Claimed JK?

[Ms Marangal]

I'm on page 7 and I'm already fairly convinced that Jason is scum. all I did was skim through, but he did a bucket load of IIoA (yeah, I get you're IC, but you do have to scum hunt too) and pushed some pretty bad stuff IMO and I'm still baffled as to why you decided to continue the claimed JK, the reason you used was intense as fuck WIFOM

[Svenskt Stål]

Marangal, I´d like to here your thoughts on the mafia kill night 1.

[Ms Marangal]

No, that's just going to be a ball of WIFOM. besides, I'm hardly caught up to the game. It'll be a while before I can truly be helpful

[Svenskt Stål]

No, that's just going to be a ball of WIFOM. besides, I'm hardly caught up to the game. It'll be a while before I can truly be helpful

You can not sum everything up to WIFOM, if you are a townie you are the only one with that information thus you can view the night kill in a way that we cant, its not like the mafia is spinning a fucking tombola.

[Ms Marangal]

you confuse me...

and speculating on the NK would be WIFOM, and a pretty messy one at that. Xtian didn't do much to draw my attention to him while I looked through the first day, which to me points to a somewhat experienced team. what we don't know however, is everyones experience in this game. I could use that knowledge to say that Jason is likely scum, or even Cybertronix and whoever the other SE is but the rebuttle to that will defintely lead to circular logic, and this WIFOM

[Svenskt Stål]

you confuse me...

and speculating on the NK would be WIFOM, and a pretty messy one at that. Xtian didn't do much to draw my attention to him while I looked through the first day, which to me points to a somewhat experienced team. what we don't know however, is everyones experience in this game. I could use that knowledge to say that Jason is likely scum, or even Cybertronix and whoever the other SE is but the rebuttle to that will defintely lead to circular logic, and this WIFOM

It must be the pie.

What I am trying to say is that the kills points towards you, and if you are not bad to the bone then you should be able to deduct other pieces. What makes you say that it was an experienced team behind the night kill?

[JasonWazza]

I have no idea what 2+2 is BUT, we don't have any confirmed roles in the game and that's kinda the idea, we have at most 1 other power role (possibly none) and that would be either a cop or a doctor, we are already down a Jailkeeper however so claiming as any role is kinda wasteful right now.

I have played on 2+2 and there we are supposed to "cover" the cop by leaving our own investigations.

Not true. The fact that the mafia dont know for sure what the setup is is something the town can exploit.

Is that supposed to say “leading” investigations?

If so, yes you are encouraged to lead your own investigations.

Town can’t rely on playing follow the cop since there is no certainty that there is one in the game. And even if there is one if he revealed himself he would certainly be targeted that night.

No, its meant as "protect the cop". Like, we want the cop to continously provide his investigation for us in the thread, by dropping hints. But if he is the only one doing it then the wolfs can spot him easily. So what you do is that everyone acts like they are the cop, by saying something like "If I am cop then x is a good guy". The mafia will start killing people that are correct and we can draw info from it, also the cop can leave his info pretty clearly in the thread without muc suspicion.

That said, yes maybee there is no cop in this game, but thats not the point, the point is that the mafia dont know if there is a cop or not, and I belive that fact can be exploited.

Problem is by Night 2 it would be obvious who is the real cop, now from the above i assume you played Chat Mafia to be honest.

However i think this is quite a good idea without the analysis that this forum goes under.

Pro's: Cop gives info
NK's could be more useful info (not likely though, mafia could deliberately be throwing people off)

Con's: Cop become majorly obvious as soon as all the VT's start changing their reads, eg. Player X the VT said Player Y was Town according to hypothetical cop search, later in the day Player Y acts scummy and Player X changes Player Y from being town to scum, Player X is then proven to not be the cop.

inb4 Ms M tells me off for more IIoA even though it's my job to point all that out.

I'm on page 7 and I'm already fairly convinced that Jason is scum. all I did was skim through, but he did a bucket load of IIoA (yeah, I get you're IC, but you do have to scum hunt too) and pushed some pretty bad stuff IMO and I'm still baffled as to why you decided to continue the claimed JK, the reason you used was intense as fuck WIFOM

I did a bucket load of IIoA and it's my job, and i have scumhunted.

If you recall i lead the MrZ wagon so obviously i am doing scumhunting, not to mention this Reham wagon as well.

Also JK being suspected by at least 6/7 of the players alive needs to be lynched regardless of being a claimed PR.

Also yes it was WIFOM, but it was another solid reason to suspect MrZ and MrZ was already scummy as fuck.

No, that's just going to be a ball of WIFOM. besides, I'm hardly caught up to the game. It'll be a while before I can truly be helpful

You can not sum everything up to WIFOM, if you are a townie you are the only one with that information thus you can view the night kill in a way that we cant, its not like the mafia is spinning a fucking tombola.

Why would you use a tombola when Random.org is on your side for choosing a kill?

But seriously i have seen people actually use Random.org to decide there kills in games off this forum.

[JasonWazza]

you confuse me...

and speculating on the NK would be WIFOM, and a pretty messy one at that. Xtian didn't do much to draw my attention to him while I looked through the first day, which to me points to a somewhat experienced team. what we don't know however, is everyones experience in this game. I could use that knowledge to say that Jason is likely scum, or even Cybertronix and whoever the other SE is but the rebuttle to that will defintely lead to circular logic, and this WIFOM

It must be the pie.

What I am trying to say is that the kills points towards you, and if you are not bad to the bone then you should be able to deduct other pieces. What makes you say that it was an experienced team behind the night kill?

I think her reasoning is "i'm not scum so it must be an experienced team trying to make me look like scum"

But lol that is stupid.

Could also have been a noob based kill by someone that was in the slot previously

[Ms Marangal]

lololol, no Jason

I didn't even realize that I was the main target of today, via results of the nightkill until after I had made my post. what I was saying is that I think the team is experienced because the kill was way out of the Norm.

[JasonWazza]

How was it way out of the norm?

The quiet guy in the corner is actually a normalish sort of kill target.

Less links to people.