League of Legends (Old)

[MrZepher]

Oh yeah. Scot's right. My bad. I just keep picturing playing Diana and Ryze top because LOLVOYBOY.

Nasus jungle is fine if you don't need your jungler to babysit you. Wither is a fucking bullshit spell and he can gank well with it.
The buff to his Q really only means he needs to make sure he farms the big creep with it. That makes his jungle go a lot faster in terms of Q farming.
Basically Nasus jungle won't work for solo queue since it's the jungler's job to win your lane for you or something.

[xRECKONERx]

What the...

Bronze II.

Enter champ select...everyone goes..."My best role is _______, but I'll fill whatever we need". Things go well.

Our first pick takes support (

what

), everyone fills accordingly.

We proceed to absolutely shitstomp the enemy team after bot gets first blood and I manage to countergank mid lane to get an early double kill. We end up taking their nexus at like 23 minutes with the kills at 30-9, including me as a 9/0/9 J4.

I guess those rare awesome matches do happen

[Ankamius]

What the...

Bronze II.

Enter champ select...everyone goes..."My best role is _______, but I'll fill whatever we need". Things go well.

Our first pick takes support (

what

), everyone fills accordingly.

We proceed to absolutely shitstomp the enemy team after bot gets first blood and I manage to countergank mid lane to get an early double kill. We end up taking their nexus at like 23 minutes with the kills at 30-9, including me as a 9/0/9 J4.

I guess those rare awesome matches do happen

I've found that these games happen much more often now than they used to in ranked games. I'm not sure if it's the honor system or what, but I find productive teams far more than multiple raging arguephile teams.

[IH]

I'm generally pretty shit at mid-game champions, since I'm a passive player at heart and like ensuring I will be able to be relevant as time goes on even if I'm not fed.

Well, I know that Kennen is Ahri's biggest counter since his primary damage early game is the same as her E-Q combo but better, plus she can't really fight him level 6 very well with her ult.

Has the meta really shifted enough to make Irelia not terrible? I still never see her picked virtually anywhere. I'm not really sure I agree with AP tops being bad because they need to scale; a lot of AD tops are the same way (Jax and Nasus being the obvious two I can think of off hand) and it allows the mid player to go an AD caster. I'd rather stay away from Lux since I find her E to be bullshit and don't want to feel like I'm abusing it. Not sure about Diana since her role is really similar to Ahri's (assassinate ADC instantly). Plus I don't actually own her and I only have 1k IP, so it would take a while to get her. Same issue with Maokai, although I was considering getting him for a long time now.

PEdit: Swain? Oh fuck yes, I loved playing him back in the day. Ryze wouldn't be bad either, since he was the first AP I tried when I came back to the game with depressingly bad results.

Swain is a pretty big midgame champ fwiw.

Annie is a decent mid to pick up, good burst, and when her damage falls off she's a great stun bot. I recommend her to anyone who doesn't have a specific mid in mind, and is looking to enlarge their champ pool. I'd also suggest anivia and lux as well. Lux is really good at picking and choosing her fights like ahri because of her super long range, and anivia is relevant at like every stage of the game.

Top I'd recommend Renekton since he smashes like every lane these days, and rumble who's difficult to master, but his outrageous win rate speaks for himself. He's really really good.

[xRECKONERx]

I've been messing around with Annie and I absolutely

love

playing roaming Annie. Get mobi boots as soon as possible and then every time your lane is even moderately pushed after level 6, roam to another lane and drop a goddamned bear on their face. You might lose your tower early-ish, but not until you've secured 4-8 kills for your team.

[Ankamius]

I'm generally pretty shit at mid-game champions, since I'm a passive player at heart and like ensuring I will be able to be relevant as time goes on even if I'm not fed.

Well, I know that Kennen is Ahri's biggest counter since his primary damage early game is the same as her E-Q combo but better, plus she can't really fight him level 6 very well with her ult.

Has the meta really shifted enough to make Irelia not terrible? I still never see her picked virtually anywhere. I'm not really sure I agree with AP tops being bad because they need to scale; a lot of AD tops are the same way (Jax and Nasus being the obvious two I can think of off hand) and it allows the mid player to go an AD caster. I'd rather stay away from Lux since I find her E to be bullshit and don't want to feel like I'm abusing it. Not sure about Diana since her role is really similar to Ahri's (assassinate ADC instantly). Plus I don't actually own her and I only have 1k IP, so it would take a while to get her. Same issue with Maokai, although I was considering getting him for a long time now.

PEdit: Swain? Oh fuck yes, I loved playing him back in the day. Ryze wouldn't be bad either, since he was the first AP I tried when I came back to the game with depressingly bad results.

Swain is a pretty big midgame champ fwiw.

Annie is a decent mid to pick up, good burst, and when her damage falls off she's a great stun bot. I recommend her to anyone who doesn't have a specific mid in mind, and is looking to enlarge their champ pool. I'd also suggest anivia and lux as well. Lux is really good at picking and choosing her fights like ahri because of her super long range, and anivia is relevant at like every stage of the game.

Top I'd recommend Renekton since he smashes like every lane these days, and rumble who's difficult to master, but his outrageous win rate speaks for himself. He's really really good.

Alright, I need to learn more mid/top/jungle champions. Ahri mid,

Renekton

/Jax

top

and Vi/Nocturne jungle is not going to cut it.

Way ahead of you there

[Oversoul]

I've played 4 ranked games and I think I might never play ranked or this game again.

[Glork]

THE PATH TO PLAT BEGINS.

[lil g]

glork 1-0 in ranked.
congrats, my best and most heartfelt advice is to never play again.

[Brandi]

haha g you so funny

[Kise]

I've played 4 ranked games and I think I might never play ranked or this game again.

When I get Draven, I'll have all the confidence in the world to start this.

I feel helpless when I'm playing a damageless role (support, w/e else) and the enemy team snowballs. Just won lane with Nunu, everyone else fed Ryze & Darius, gg 5 man bot lane dive on us.

On another note, I always win when I can grab Malphite.

[PJ.]

@Lil G's Darisu guide: Top lane is probably the hardest lane to carry from and if you don't know what you're doing and don't want to get snowballed(or aren't confident you can snowball), just play Yorick. Then you can at least make a copy of a guy who does know what he's doing(presumably). Both Darius and Yorick can luck into lane stomp snowballs and have a strong mid game. Sure, you can dunk guys, but if you don't snowball, you're gonna have a rough time of it and i'm pretty sure the dream scenario of the 0-4 lane into Quadra steal Blake Griffin Dunk City routine is over with the 12 second CD.

@Anyone not pretending to be Froggen in soloqueue: Tell your worthless AP player to go top, take a mobile bruiser and gank all the lanes and take all the towers and take control of dragons.

@ Anyone saying support has more impact on the game then any of the 4 other roles, name something a support can do that any other role can't do.

[Nikanor]

@ Anyone saying support has more impact on the game then any of the 4 other roles, name something a support can do that any other role can't do.

buy wards

[TehBrawlGuy]

@ Anyone saying support has more impact on the game then any of the 4 other roles, name something a support can do that any other role can't do.

Correct mistakes. (to that degree) Nobody fixes slip-ups like supports.

[Brandi]

OMG ITS NIKANOR A-POSTIN IN THIS THREAD

HI NIKANOR

[Kawaii]

@ Anyone saying support has more impact on the game then any of the 4 other roles, name something a support can do that any other role can't do.

Correct mistakes. (to that degree) Nobody fixes slip-ups like supports.

Or a fed Darius

#stillmad

[Papa Zito]

@ Anyone saying support has more impact on the game then any of the 4 other roles, name something a support can do that any other role can't do.

buy wards

[DeathRowKitty]

HI NIKANOR

[TheButtonmen]

@ Anyone saying support has more impact on the game then any of the 4 other roles, name something a support can do that any other role can't do.

Be out on the map with needing to worry about missing farm.

Tempo and picks wins scrubgames like nothing else.

[Ankamius]

Wow, I'm getting a lot of bugsplats when I enter games now.

[mykonian]

@ Anyone saying support has more impact on the game then any of the 4 other roles, name something a support can do that any other role can't do.

buy wards

make them do no damage for 2.5 seconds, knocking them up for another 1.5 seconds, shielding at least 240 damage they do after that time if they still live, and providing not one but two aoe slows?

Sounds pretty amazing. (and the knockup is AoE).

The only thing it lacks is damage. But you've just made sure someone important with a huge amount of farm hasn't done shit for at least 4 seconds. If your team can't kill someone in that time, you kind of have a shitty team. The only two other champs that come close to that are two junglers (which both have quite the support nature as a result: even if they get shut down on farm hard, they keep having their use in the lategame) being Rammus (3sec taunt, 0.75 sec knockback) and fiddle (3 sec fear + 1.2 sec aoe silence), which are still obviously worse then the support example above, since a couple of their skills are dedicated to actually fighting (and hence they get shut down when they don't have the money to compete with the other team).

So yeah, if you have a half capable real support, that person can make or break your teamfight. A perfect nami/sona/lulu/janna/zyra ult just instantly wrecks the opposing team, and in 4 of the 5 champs named there they have some other skills that directly affect what the other team can actually do to you. Landing a nami q on two players in a teamfight is pretty huge for example. Taric/soraka are the choices if you don't know how to play a lategame support, as they really don't have to do anything complex in the teamfights. Both throw ult, one at the start, one halfway, soraka silences the apc, heals the guy getting targeted by their main ad damage, and sits back, taric stuns the thing targetting his carry, heals whatever is low, and is being manly otherwise. It's still 35 free ad and ap, and lets say at least 20 armor everywhere?

Apart from with those last two, having an actual competent support is pretty noticeable. 4 man or 5 man crescendos simply win games.

[SensFan]

Ugh. Please don't tell people who don't know how to play Support (or are trying to learn) to pick up Soraka. It's literally the worst possible Support they could try. Soraka is absolute trash in the laning phase, specifically in the early game, and if the Support doesn't really know what to do they will lose lane pretty much every time and the other ADC will snowball out of control.

As for what Supports can do that other roles cannot:
1) Lighting the map up with Wards
2) Constantly looking at the minimap during the laning phase and calling out all mias, and pinging any enemy you see out of lane
3) Keeping vision (and denying enemy vision) on objectives
Most importantly, though, win the lane. The winner of bottom lane is determined much more by the Support play than by the ADC play. The ADC will eventually outscale everyone and carry hard lategame, but they need to be carried just as hard through their weak laning phase. Your job is to carry them in the lane and set them up to be ahead of the opponent.

[mykonian]

Soraka kinda dies in the current meta, yes. Taric kinda wrecks her, as does tresh. She wins all poke botlanes. There simply isn't something like poking down a soraka/any lane. So she's a valid counterpick to sona/janna/lulu/nami to some extend, esspecially with low burst adc's. And the mana regen is rather abusable by a couple of adc's (sivir) who happily counters the lanes soraka generally does poorly against.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Ugh. Please don't tell people who don't know how to play Support (or are trying to learn) to pick up Soraka. It's literally the worst possible Support they could try. Soraka is absolute trash in the laning phase, specifically in the early game, and if the Support doesn't really know what to do they will lose lane pretty much every time and the other ADC will snowball out of control.

I couldn't disagree more. Soraka's mechanics are easy and intuitive, just sit back and be a heal bot. Her heals also make little mistakes much less punishing, and it's really hard to kill a Soraka lane unless you have a good gank, or your lane has a really good all-in.

[SensFan]

Soraka kinda dies in the current meta, yes. Taric kinda wrecks her, as does tresh. She wins all poke botlanes. There simply isn't something like poking down a soraka/any lane. So she's a valid counterpick to sona/janna/lulu/nami to some extend, esspecially with low burst adc's. And the mana regen is rather abusable by a couple of adc's (sivir) who happily counters the lanes soraka generally does poorly against.

Nah. Sona shits all over Raka in the laning phase. Sona's glaring weakness is that her lvl1 HP is slightly lower than a caster minion, and you beat her by jumping on her over and over again while she's super squishy, and having the damage to zone her from poking you at will. Soraka is by far the Support least capable of putting on pressure against the opponent in lane, and so Sona has much better poke, good enough sustain, and better in all-in fights. Late-game, Sona is just as valuable in teamfights as Soraka is.
I wouldn't pick Soraka unless I was on voicechat with my ADC and we both knew how to play the lane passively, and had an ADC that really needed the incredible sustain. Mind you, I also wouldn't pick Sona if I was queuing alone, but that's for a whole different reason.

Ninja-edit: Are you kidding me? Soraka lanes are easier to kill than literally any other Support, and it's not remotely close. You pretty much can't win a 2v2 unless you're already ahead in lane if the opponents know to focus the person that Raka doesn't heal.