Newbie 1339 - Game Over! (Scum Win)

[Remembrance]

I'm not saying lynch all lurkers Kuror0 that would be dumb, I'm saying lynch all lurkers who start posting everywhere but here when they're in a bad position.

[Remembrance]

And there's a case on him beyond the lurking it's not the only thing we have on him, it's just one of the many things he has done that is scummy this game. He really did misrepresent Varsoon when he told me he wasn't town.

[Remembrance]

You have to take NS's experience into account as a moderator too, he has seen hundreds of newbie town (or close to that) , Varsoon isn't some magical creature that he couldn't get a read on. He's just scum this game.

[kuror0]

As i said, if you flip town you may convince me to go after NS. I thought that would make you happy. I mean if you are convinced of him being scum then after your flip he will definitely eventually go down don't you think?

[Remembrance]

I'm cool with that, but I can't be cool with that because I could get banned for martyring so I can't self-hammer for you to pursue my reads. I can't ask anyone to hammer me either since it's the same. Don't put me in that position kuror0, it's anti-Remembrance.

[Remembrance]

I'd rather you just accept my argument on NS and have you change your vote so that we can have more information to go on from there. You don't have to accept I'm town, just that it's plausible that NS might be scum. Which, statistically (from your role pm) is a 1/8 chance anyway.

[kuror0]

You don't need to ask for a hammer. It will come eventually. On the other hand, I've seen scum self hammer and at the same time not going against their win-con. But self hammering is something will only benefit scum, that's why self voting is also considered anti-town.

I have never said it is impossible that NS is scum. I just don't think is the right target for today. His flip will yield very little information, at least imo, while yours will give me loads to work with.

[kuror0]

And that i believe you are more likely to flip scum than him at this point.

[Remembrance]

That's true, Nacho will hammer, he's pragmatic like that. Or he might just argue his way to my freedom. This was a really interesting conversation Kuror0, I liked it(thank you for your time), probably the high light (other than me catching both scum on day 1).

[kuror0]

Np.

Speaking of Nacho, I checked his posts the same way i did with NS and seems he was also here yesterday posting on 2 threads. But he ignored my question that i did [quote="In here, kuror0"]. What do you think about that? If we add that he didn't post anything until i requested a prod on him, I see him climbing on my scum list.

[kuror0]

the link is good just forgot to delete the quote tag <.<. It still serves the purpose.

[RandomYoshi]

Goku doesn't think that Remembrance is Scum, while fuzzybutternut, kuror0, Varsoon and GuyInFreezer are on Remembrance's bandwagon. Goku is a scumread of Remembrance. Goku stated that he did not think that Remembrance was Scum when Remembrance was at L-1. Remembrance flipping Town will give away a lot of information to the Town. If Goku thought that Remembrance was Scum when Remembrance was at L-1, he would have probably hammered Remembrance. But he did not do that. This can be viewed from two different angles. One, Remembrance is actually Town and his flip will doom the game for Scum; two, Goku is Remembrance's scumbuddy and he doesn't want to hammer his scumbuddy. The second alternative is out of the way: I cannot see a Goku/Remembrance scumteam, and, if Remembrance flips Scum, then Nacho becomes my next suspect. No, I am not sheeping your thoughts here. I have been suspecting Remembrance's almost constant mentioning of Nacho being a clue to the scumteam. But with Remembrance's recent postings, I really can't see Remembrance flipping anything else than Town. He is nearly begging to be hammered, which would reveal a bunch of information to the Town. Again, this is Town behaviour, and this is why his bandwagon is bad, and that you should just hammer Nobody Special already.

But then again, I have not actually been able to solidify a read on Nacho. He's not posting as much as he usually posts. I want to see a bit more from Nacho before this Day ends.

[GuyInFreezer]

I think it's probably safe to say that Nacho is prod dodging at this point.

[Remembrance]

^ Who else is prod dodging. One person is on vacation, the other person is posting everywhere else but in this thread.

[GuyInFreezer]

I already made that decision that NS is prod dodging already. I just didn't say it out loud publicly.

[RandomYoshi]

VOTE: Nobody Special

[kuror0]

^ Who else is prod dodging. One person is on vacation, the other person is posting everywhere else but in this thread.

So you didn't answer me about your thoughts on Nacho behavior but you did try to redirect to NS again...

[Remembrance]

I'm not him Kuror0, I can't answer that question.

[kuror0]

I didn't asked to explain me his actions, i asked what you thought about them.

[Remembrance]

He seems to be short posting everywhere. And he's kinda always been like that, that's my opinion on the matter. He reads, he demonstrates his opinion with his vote and a few sparse comments, and he's usually right because, he has the title "devil in the details" because he's good at picking the details out.

[kuror0]

The same explanation can't be used about NS? I mean he has always posted short stuff as far as I've seen. And he is not posting much since the day he came here. You also mentioned his experience as mod, so maybe he is capable of picking small stuff too and notice scum patterns? Just saying i find them both almost equally scummy on their behavior but you find NS scum and Nacho town so i wonder where is the difference.

[Remembrance]

I haven't changed my read on nacho, because he hasn't said or done anything scummy enough (that I can see after looking twice) that I want to lynch him for it. maybe I'm just really bad at determining Nacho's alignment, but he seems protown, which is good enough for me day one. Like I said, I was going to capture him day 2 with the code tell, but that fell to pieces because I was put into this position. You should know about this Kuror0 and you should have prevented my lynch, I caught Insanity with the same tell (rather, I used it as one possible scum tell). And honestly, I've read a lot of newbie games that were completely, where I just skipped to day 2 and caught scum 50% of the time with a blatant code post.

[Remembrance]

Okay, not 50%, I'm just being retarded now. More like 25% of the time, but that is better than the average.

[kuror0]

I really don't understand the code. I mean it has no use besides a form of soft claim which at the end is nothing, that and ofc the use to fake one to pass as town, which would only benefit scum so i won't rely on it. I am like that, I don't trust too many of this "tells". I like to trust on my instinct, it usually tells me where to look, then I try to rationalize why my instinct points in that direction. It is just the way I play the game and I am happy about it.

[RandomYoshi]

I have intentions to hammer Remembrance to see what he flips.