Sven wrote:True, but thats not what you implied, you implied that since my predecessor "was a lazy scum" i.e. your mind is allready made up.
I was attempting to demonstrate how Muffin’s actions could be scum motivated. I then coupled this with my suspicions of you since entering the game. Your rebuttal was just because Muffin was lazy doesn’t mean you are scum. But if Muffin was lazy because he was scum then you are scum even if you aren’t lazy. I believe that you being scum is my strongest theory right now so in that sense yes my mind is made up. This does not mean that I will not consider other theories or consider new information as it appears.
Since I know that Assmuffin was a townie I know it was also only lazyness and not some under the radar mafia ploy.
Sven wrote:So how is that in any way part of my plan to "save weaker players"? You stated that it seemed like "I was saving weaker players".
Reham is the lowest hanging fruit, but he is not the weakest most easily manipulated player. In fact he is in such trouble because of his reckless independent play style. Getting rid of him quickly would fit in nicely with your self identified scum meta and my theory that you want players easy to manipulate at endgame.
This accusation is just stupid, its my first game, I have no clue about the players strengths except that Jason is a "guide". You are also missinterpreting my view on low hanging fruit. Low hanging fruit are people that the mafia can push that doesnt push back and I am not talking about people that are not playing the game. "Getting rid of him quickly?" I have never played with him. I have no master plan.
Sven wrote:I dont even know what you are saying here, if you are asking why I havent asked you for a readlist its because I havent felt a need for it.
My initial premise was that you only asked for certain read lists because you didn’t value others since you could manipulate other people more easily. You responded that you only asked for certain read lists based on activity and interaction. I attempted to show this was not true since I was more active than BEF and was interacting with you,
First of all, I have never played with anyone in this lineup, I am getting really sick of this manipulation talk. You are right that by strict "activity" you should have been asked for a readslist, I have not attempted to misslead you at any point, I just have not had any interest in your opinions. I pressured BEF because I made an observation that he only defended himself. Its that easy. I didnt get the thought in my head to ask you.
Sven wrote:Me implying that BEF only defended himself in his popin, he then posts a readlist.
Accusing some one of only defending themselves is nowhere near the same as asking for a read list.
Well it got us one. And if you belive that I didnt ask for a readlist then your previous accusation falls cause then I didnt ask BEF either.
Sven wrote:How am I supposed to change your mind when you build your case arround what my predecessor did? No matter what I do your view of him will be the same, which beg the questions why you didnt vote him at some point.
You won’t change my mind by insisting that I only think you’re scum based on Muffin. I didn't vote for Muffin since I only had his lurkerish behaviour to go on. Now I have a read list that doesn't seem genuine and a theory of a more experienced aggressive scum looking to exploit the weakness and vulnerablity of a newb town
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WHat about my readlist doeanst seem genuine, you have showed zero interest in trying to figure it out?
Okay so muffins behavior is not grounds for voting, but now his behavior falls badly on me? That doesnt make any sense, IF his behavior wasnt grounds for wvoting how can you use them as a case now?
You call me "experienced scum" but you give no reasoning, just paranoia.
Sven wrote:If you reallly have questions ask me and assess my answers, but when you say "look how he is saying what I should do" "He also is misrepresenting why I changed my vote" Like you are putting on a show and not really interested in trying to figure out my thinking, then I get suspicious and very uncooperative.
Some players might say that getting suspicious and uncooperative would be overly defensive and a scum tell. If you are town I understand the suspicion because I would be attacking a confirmed town in your view but why would you be uncooperative how is that helpful to town?
Because it feels like you are putting up a show instead of engaging me for information. I have been nothing but cooperative however annoyed I am at this situation. In a townies view wouldnt it after awhile be kinda annoying when you have answered all questions and still have a vote on you?
