Newbie 1345: Mafia in a Bind (Game Over)

[Mutleyddmc]

We can say you didn't fuck up if thats what you are into.

[Xegarus]

Why would I claim something though? I would only be helping the mafia by possibly getting town roles out in the open on day 1, how would that help?

Cause i see no reason to keep you alive.
If you don't claim and you are lynched, you may flip town. This means we waste one lynch. If you claim and we believe you, we can lynch somone else and we may lynch scum.

[Didi]

Pretty sure that if Mutley is mafia, Xiao is as well.
1) wanting him to be replaced instead of lynched (maybe a new scummate would be less likely to get lynched because less abrasive playstyle)
2) calling out the fake hammer before Mutley could react to it
3) talking to him now, actively trying to make him act less scummy

Sounds like he's trying to do everything in his power to make sure Mutley doesn't get lynched


if Mutley isn't mafia though I don't know what to think

[Mutleyddmc]

But I'm not going to claim a role if I am not one, that's just stupid.

[Mutleyddmc]

Pretty sure that if Mutley is mafia, Xiao is as well.
1) wanting him to be replaced instead of lynched (maybe a new scummate would be less likely to get lynched because less abrasive playstyle)
2) calling out the fake hammer before Mutley could react to it
3) talking to him now, actively trying to make him act less scummy

Sounds like he's trying to do everything in his power to make sure Mutley doesn't get lynched


if Mutley isn't mafia though I don't know what to think

Im not defending xiao here but point out a little flaw in your logic. Trying to do everything in his power would mean removing his vote just saying.

[Xegarus]

We can say you didn't fuck up if thats what you are into.

Oh newbies. So much fun.
Listen, there are many ways to play but there are some things that wont ever make sense. You find these out through the motivation behind them. Now then, what motivation would i have had by hammering you in such a bold fashion? Heck it would go against my own philosophy (see sig). Find my motivation before. Dont just brush what i say off the side with out backing it up.

But I'm not going to claim a role if I am not one, that's just stupid.

I want you to claim what you are.
Are you a VT, cop, doc, JK or a scum?

[Xiao Long]

I'm sure when the day ends, 1 mafia will be voting me and 1 won't.

Except for the fact that everyone who is active here wants you lynched - therefore it doesn't help us find scum at all.

Pretty sure that if Mutley is mafia, Xiao is as well.
1) wanting him to be replaced instead of lynched (maybe a new scummate would be less likely to get lynched because less abrasive playstyle)
2) calling out the fake hammer before Mutley could react to it
3) talking to him now, actively trying to make him act less scummy

Sounds like he's trying to do everything in his power to make sure Mutley doesn't get lynched


if Mutley isn't mafia though I don't know what to think

I can see why it sounds scummy that I'm saying to have him replaced. My reasoning is actually different though. The whole fun of this game is using powers of deduction to find scum. If someone is doing nothing but being a distraction, I'd rather have them replaced with someone who will actually play the game. Especially this early in the day. That said, I'm not going to be unvoting him, and as it seems he doesn't give a shit about claiming, perhaps it's time for him to be hammered.

(As far as calling out the fake hammer, I legitimately was not aware of Xeg's plan, sorry.)

But I'm not going to claim a role if I am not one, that's just stupid.

Then you'll be lynched.

[Xiao Long]

Pretty sure that if Mutley is mafia, Xiao is as well.
1) wanting him to be replaced instead of lynched (maybe a new scummate would be less likely to get lynched because less abrasive playstyle)
2) calling out the fake hammer before Mutley could react to it
3) talking to him now, actively trying to make him act less scummy

Sounds like he's trying to do everything in his power to make sure Mutley doesn't get lynched


if Mutley isn't mafia though I don't know what to think

Im not defending xiao here but point out a little flaw in your logic. Trying to do everything in his power would mean removing his vote just saying.

Not necessarily, it's sometimes a good tactic for scum to lynch fellow scum. However, I'm not so sure you're scum, I just think you're ruining the game.

[Mutleyddmc]

Lol you are the easiest person to make bite, I like you.

Yes there are a lot of ways to play, mine is usually troll day 1 maybe day 2. Then I get good reads by the end of day 2.

Oh I've said I am a vanilla, I'm sure I have. Even if not I've implied it a lot.

[Didi]

@muttley (damn ninjas xeg and xiao)(and goddamn xiao again and now muttley)
Oh. Yeah. Lol.

My point still kinda stands because he might be trying to do it without removing his vote, so that if you do get lynched now or later he can claim he's not mafia because then he wouldn't have voted you. But you are right that he's not literally doing everything in his power.

@xiao
but replacing someone from the game essentially removes a hell of a lot of information from the game. It goes against the spirit of mafia, imo.

[Mutleyddmc]

I also think wires have been crossed a little. In other forums when you say claim, that's always meant claim a power role. You are claiming VT just by posting surely until you claim otherwise.

[Xegarus]

Even if not I've implied it a lot.

No, you haven't.
If anythng you implied you were a power role.

[Xiao Long]

@xiao
but replacing someone from the game essentially removes a hell of a lot of information from the game. It goes against the spirit of mafia, imo.

To some extent, but I don't really see how he's given us any usable information so far. He's now stated he's VT, but before he was just really antagonistic without much to go on.

[Mutleyddmc]

You thought you had ended it, you didn't realise your vote was already on me. You thought you had taken a power role out first day mr mafia.

A power role would have had more motivation to defend themselves and scumhunt. You have pretty much done neither.

I'm not a power role. I said he thought he had taken one out. also in previous games when being a power role surely scumhunting too much early on is more likely to make you a kill target and therefore you would be killed and losing the town a big weapon.

Here I clearly say I am not a power role? is that not therefore implying VT?

[Xegarus]

You thought you had ended it, you didn't realise your vote was already on me. You thought you had taken a power role out first day mr mafia.

You brought up the PR part yourself. No one said anything about lynching a PR. And even if my fake hammer was real, i made no comment as to whethr or not you were a PR.
The fact that you even brough it up looks like a PR slip of somekind.
I think you may be scum role blocker.

[Mutleyddmc]

So you ignore my last post after you said that I hadn't implied VT. Even though I had porved that I had implied it? My point about the PR was more that I put a fake something out there hoping it would be picked up on. Therefore if I survived a day 1 lynch the mafia would have to kill me if they saw it. That way they would only get a VT kill and not a PR.

[Xegarus]

So you ignore my last post after you said that I hadn't implied VT. Even though I had porved that I had implied it? My point about the PR was more that I put a fake something out there hoping it would be picked up on. Therefore if I survived a day 1 lynch the mafia would have to kill me if they saw it. That way they would only get a VT kill and not a PR.

I'm not ignoreing it. It was a post made after the slip so obviously you would try to deflect it.
Heres how i see it. You mentioned something.
Were called out for it and so you denied it. I believe you scum slipped when you even brought up the PR talk.
I think you denied it cause you realised that you shouldn't have. I believe you have the words POWER ROLE ingraved into your head that you might have mispoke.
If you did claim a PR, i would have believed it easily since it sounded plausible. But now that you claimed VT, i think you are a scum pr.

[Mutleyddmc]

Well you will be wrong. I'm just waiting for the final vote. You say your fake hammer was and plan. I've also done my plan and you will see that I'm not lying when someone finally comes in a votes me. My point of that post even if it was after the slip you asked me to claim. Surely I had already claimed by saying I am not a power role (whether or not you think I am covering up) as by saying I am not a power role leaves only VT.

[Mutleyddmc]

So you ignore my last post after you said that I hadn't implied VT. Even though I had porved that I had implied it? My point about the PR was more that I put a fake something out there hoping it would be picked up on. Therefore if I survived a day 1 lynch the mafia would have to kill me if they saw it. That way they would only get a VT kill and not a PR.

I'm not ignoreing it. It was a post made after the slip so obviously you would try to deflect it.
Heres how i see it. You mentioned something.
Were called out for it and so you denied it. I believe you scum slipped when you even brought up the PR talk.
I think you denied it cause you realised that you shouldn't have. I believe you have the words POWER ROLE ingraved into your head that you might have mispoke.
If you did claim a PR, i would have believed it easily since it sounded plausible. But now that you claimed VT, i think you are a scum pr.

also you are being very noobish your self in thinking that me claiming VT means I am scum. If I was scum I'd have claimed power role. It would likely have saved me for at least one day. If not it would have got that PR to have to counter the claim. Giving vital info to the other scum.

[Xegarus]

Surely I had already claimed by saying I am not a power role (whether or not you think I am covering up) as by saying I am not a power role leaves only VT.

No. Mafia isn't VT or a standard PR. Therefore it doesnt only leave to VT.

And yeh we'll see. But why are you 'accepting' your lynch already?
Why not move onto something else. If you change the subject, i wont mind. If you are town, by all means look for scum.

[Mutleyddmc]

well I call any mafia a power role. It is some kind of role. Ive said why I am accepting it. I don't care for being the first one lynched because you guys can hopefully get some info from the last few hours exchange. plus someone has to go its only a game. I am looking for scum by carrying on these exchanges and seeing people reactions. Theres not exactly a whole lot of other ways to look on day 1 is there?

[Xegarus]

well I call any mafia a power role.

Cool. I dont.

Ive said why I am accepting it. I don't care for being the first one lynched because you guys can hopefully get some info from the last few hours exchange. plus someone has to go its only a game.

UNVOTE:
I like you.

I am looking for scum by carrying on these exchanges and seeing people reactions.

These exchanges are against you and everyone else as a collective mind.
Not too good for checking reactions.

Theres not exactly a whole lot of other ways to look on day 1 is there?

What makes you think day 2 will be any better?
Discussion from day 1 carries over to day 2.
An inactive day 1 leads to a really shitty day 2.

[KingPin96]

Mutley if this is your form of scum/reaction hunting, its not worked very well.

You dont mind if we lynch you and you say it will provide useful info. No, if we lynch you and you do actually flip town, it just continues to prove that you were being a distraction and were hindering our efforts to find real scum.

If we lynch you and you flip scum, then hooray!

[Mutleyddmc]

day 2 is better because we get to see who the mafia kills if they did? etc. It's still not great but better than day 1. Exchanges may be against me but also its only really bene you pushing, giving me a little bit more into thinking you are town, the mafia are probably sitting back watching? Hello kingpin? You've viewed the thread during these exchanges but nothing to add.

damn he posted but still took him a while is still a point

[Xegarus]

Reads, Mut is confirmed town in my book. I love his responses. So arrogant and stubborn. Scum is NEVER like this. Not in my experience. Scum is fickle and trying to look good. ALWAYS. Mut isn't scum. He's not afraid to say no. This makes him look so shit to everyone but soo town to me.