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[Syryana]

Well what was the point? To avoid the night kill?

What was the point of hammering? I wanted to see my strongest scumread die. That was the point.

Yeah, don't do stuff like that, Syryana.

Are you referring to the quickhammer, or what I did with regards to Jason?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

What you did w.r.t. to Jason.

[Syryana]

What you did w.r.t. to Jason.

Why not?

[Sotty7]

Stop deflecting. Why the decoy crap?

[Syryana]

After I gave up on my case against CES, my main scumread was Nacho. There wasn't really a logical case I could make against Nacho that didn't sound like I was copying either you or D+C. Trust me, I tried. Since I couldn't get him logically without you lot tearing me apart for it, I decided to move in a somewhat sneakier manner. The idea was born because it felt at the time like I was the main reason the lynch against CES fell apart because my reasoning against him caused the rest of you to look at other possibilities. So I figured, if it was me that caused the CES lynch to fall apart, and I want Nacho to die, the best course of action would be to throw my support on the Jason wagon, since if I went with Nacho it would likely prevent him from getting lynched. Completely illogical, and almost certainly doomed to backfire, yet somehow it worked.

[Zachrulez]

1st vote count of day 3:

FourTrouble - 2 (Cogito Ergo Sum, Syryana)
Syryana - 1 (FourTrouble)

Not Voting: (JasonT1981, Sotty7, Dazed and Confused)

With 6 alive it's 4 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2013-03-30 09:00:00)

[FourTrouble]

There wasn't really a logical case I could make against Nacho that didn't sound like I was copying either you or D+C. Trust me, I tried.

Why would you care about that? If you thought Nacho was scum for the same reasons as someone else, why not say that?

[Syryana]

There wasn't really a logical case I could make against Nacho that didn't sound like I was copying either you or D+C. Trust me, I tried.

Why would you care about that? If you thought Nacho was scum for the same reasons as someone else, why not say that?

Because I was already fighting an uphill battle from the effects of RachMarie on Day 1. She was so scummy, I was genuinely surprised when my role PM popped up town. I figured that a case that looked like a copycat would be a one-way ticket to the noose.

[Sotty7]

Le sigh. The Amished tell rears it's ugly head. This is going to be a tougher choice than I thought. I don't think you were that close to the noose yesterday, plus I don't think I made a Nacho case until I put my vote on him. In fact I almost voted with minimal expiation but stopped myself because I hadn't detailed why I found him scummy after I called him town earlier in the day. Your vote for Jason came waaaaaaaay before my move so this part of your explanation really doesn't add up.

It's like you're throwing shit out to see just what will stick. How about you give us a detailed non bullshit list of your reads. For example, I feel like your 535 is a pretty forced reasoning for a Four vote. Expand?

[Syryana]

What's an Amished tell?

As for detailed reads, you asked, I shall deliver.

D+C - My towniest townread. They've been pretty obvtown the whole game, they've followed good lines of reasoning all game (well, minus a policy lynch on CES, that kinda backfired), and out of all their 100 posts I can't point to anything that would make me think they're scum.

CES - Town. Though originally I suspected him of being scum for the quickhammer and living through the night, I came to agree with D+C's townread on him, especially given that his partner would be Nacho. It really doesn't make a whole lot of sense for CES to bus his partner from the first day

and

quickhammer. He's done too many high-profile things when all he really needed to do was sit back and, as he put it, "amble along to the finish line."

Sotty7 - I've been up and down on you pretty much this entire time. Originally I had a townread on you thanks to that wonderful frustration you showed on Day 1, then CES went and pointed out you're good enough to manufacture that sort of thing. So much for that, back to null read. On day 2, you didn't do anything outright scummy, but there were a bunch of little question marks that made me wonder. For example, your read swap on Jason and deliberately being obtuse when I was explaining my thought processes (e.g. #463). Nothing overt enough to change my scumread from FT, but little things. You'd be my next choice if FT for some ungodly reason flips town.

Jason - Town. This guy's so scummy it hurts. Inconsistent logic, perma-lurking, scumtells out the wazoo both in content and in tone. I'm sure you're wondering at this point why I wrote town? Because after looking at those scumgames he linked, there's no way he's scum. His scumplay is much more consistent and he puts a heck of a lot more effort into his reads. Most of his scumposting is clear, even polished. This go-round has none of that and I just don't think he's capable of playing the dunce to that degree.

FT - The final scumpartner. He was fiendishly aggressive on just about everyone (the RachMarie misrep, the Sixty attack, the attack on my 383 implicating him, etc.)

except

Nacho. He even contradicted himself, saying that if a hammer situation arose on someone he was confident were scum that he would feel no problem hammering. Yet, when his buddy Nacho was on the line, he blinked. Now, I'm all for being cautious on a hammer, but it's wildly out of character for the otherwise aggressive FT. The Sixty kill also makes sense coming from him considering that attack they led on him on Day 1.

Another scumtell I've noticed is he's fixated on me. He hasn't said a word regarding anyone else in the game since I joined (I sit corrected, he had a single line saying his reads in #449, but the point still stands). His singlemindedness in pursuing me is quite odd, especially since I let my case against him slide away while I was sitting decoy on Jason. He spent all of Day 2 tunneling me and providing short answers to questions from CES and D+C. In short, he waffled on his partner and has been tunneling on me for the sake of consistency.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

What did you read before getting your role PM?

[Syryana]

What did you read before getting your role PM?

As in, what were my reads before getting my role PM, or how far into the thread did I get before reading my role PM? Not sure which one you're asking.

[Sotty7]

The Amished tell is basically when scum replaces in and talks about how scummy the person they replaced was. It's really hit or miss depending on the player but it threw up a red flag because of the other read flags I have been seeing lately from you.

Thanks for posting your reads. Will chew it over. It is interesting that I am scum for finding Jason town, who you also find town. I have detailed why I find him town (see my nacho vote for example) just not given all the reasons. (Anything you can do etc..)

[Syryana]

It is interesting that I am scum for finding Jason town, who you also find town. I have detailed why I find him town (see my nacho vote for example) just not given all the reasons. (Anything you can do etc..)

I don't find you scum for finding Jason town. I think it raised a question mark when you flip-flopped on Jason with no explanation other than "I'd rather not give my reasons out today, thanks." I know why

I

find Jason town, but I don't know why

you

find Jason town.

And where the heck is D+C? I feel like they should have some fun opinions about the goings on around here.

[Syryana]

It is interesting that I am scum for finding Jason town, who you also find town. I have detailed why I find him town (see my nacho vote for example) just not given all the reasons. (Anything you can do etc..)

I don't find you scum for finding Jason town. I think it raised a question mark when you flip-flopped on Jason with no explanation other than "I'd rather not give my reasons out today, thanks." I know why

I

find Jason town, but I don't know why

you

find Jason town.

And where the heck is D+C? I feel like they should have some fun opinions about the goings on around here.

[Syryana]

Sonofabitch.

Zach, would you delete the double there? Sorry.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

As in, what were my reads before getting my role PM, or how far into the thread did I get before reading my role PM? Not sure which one you're asking.

I was asking the latter but you can also answer the former.

(Empire is V/LA by the bye.)

[Sotty7]

I think it raised a question mark when you flip-flopped on Jason with no explanation other than "I'd rather not give my reasons out today, thanks."

Check again?

[Syryana]

I was asking the latter but you can also answer the former.

If I recall correctly, I was in the vicinity of page 8 or 9.

At the time, I had gut town reads on the hydras and Sotty, null on you and FT, and scumreads on Josh, Rach and Jason.

Josh was overly sure Nacho was town and had difficulty articulating his reads on everyone else. He also went afk and got replaced by Whiskers, which really didn't help my read on the slot. Whiskers was a character. He had inconsistent logic, tons of gaps. Then he went into ragefests when people called him on it.

Nacho wasn't a huge scumread on the first day, but there were some weird things he did that were pretty off to me. Like the whole "making myself a threat to CES as scum" seemed pretty contrived, as did his rather arbitrary defense of Rach. He was also just vague in general.

RachMarie. Her posts were super fluffy. All she really did was banter with a few people, give some unsubstantiated votes and reads, and post a whole ton of links that she did nothing with. Combine her almost total lack of substance and analysis with the fact that Nacho was defending her for no apparent reason from an irate FourTrouble, she ended up on the scummy end of my scum-o-meter.

[Syryana]

Check again?

I see your reason in #420, Sotty. I had to read it a couple of times to realize it was Jason you were calling lazy and not Nacho. You also mentioned you had another reason for thinking Jason town in that same post; that reason was the one I was looking for.

[Dazed and Confused]

Sorry, just got back from a trip. Won't be able to post until tomorrow (I haven't even read anything yet). Would've announced it but the thread opened while I was away.

CES, I just saw that this game just finished. It's FT's only completed scum game on the site and I suggest you take a look at it (haven't read it myself yet).

[FourTrouble]

Syryana, if I was null on page 8, at what point did I become a scum read? The moment I defended CES from reasoning you now admit was weak?

[FourTrouble]

FT - The final scumpartner. He was fiendishly aggressive on just about everyone (the RachMarie misrep, the Sixty attack, the attack on my 383 implicating him, etc.) except Nacho. He even contradicted himself, saying that if a hammer situation arose on someone he was confident were scum that he would feel no problem hammering. Yet, when his buddy Nacho was on the line, he blinked. Now, I'm all for being cautious on a hammer, but it's wildly out of character for the otherwise aggressive FT. The Sixty kill also makes sense coming from him considering that attack they led on him on Day 1.

Another scumtell I've noticed is he's fixated on me. He hasn't said a word regarding anyone else in the game since I joined (I sit corrected, he had a single line saying his reads in #449, but the point still stands). His singlemindedness in pursuing me is quite odd, especially since I let my case against him slide away while I was sitting decoy on Jason. He spent all of Day 2 tunneling me and providing short answers to questions from CES and D+C. In short, he waffled on his partner and has been tunneling on me for the sake of consistency.

I didn't aggressively attack everyone, in fact I wouldn't even consider my attacks that aggressive on anyone except you. You also seem to forget I defended CES when he was on the verge of getting lynched.

I didn't really contradict myself, hammering Whiskers back then was not a surprise because it was something that at the time made sense. In retrospect, I realize there is no reason to rush lynches like that. And when I skimmed Timeshift mafia, it made that fact pretty clear. It is a lot more pro-town to reassess everything before hammering.

For the record, if I were scum, I'd have hammered Nacho without hesitation. He was obviously getting lynched. I had already voiced support for his lynch. By taking time to reassess things, I basically forfeit all town cred I could have got from his lynch. I get how it may look scummy.

What I don't understand is the way Syryana's opinion keeps changing -- first I was scum because I defended CES, then I'm scum because of my exchange with Sixty and my L-1 vote on Whiskers, then I'm scum for hesitating to hammer Nacho, and now I'm scum because I have pursued him even when he stopped attacking me? How does any of that even make any sense? The reason I've "fixated" on him is straightforward, Dazed and Confused and Sotty are extremely town, CES is probably town and if he's mafia then I'll feel like an idiot, and between Syryana and Jason, its no contest who is more scummy.

[Syryana]

I didn't aggressively attack everyone, in fact I wouldn't even consider my attacks that aggressive on anyone except you. You also seem to forget I defended CES when he was on the verge of getting lynched.

Yeah, you defended CES. By chopping at my case like a howling insane axe-bearing Willy Wonka on chocolate deprivation. And of course you weren't aggressive on anyone else after Day 2 started; you were attacking me exclusively. I'd characterize your behavior as if you were a badger in his den; content to leave everyone alone as long as they stay out, but you will by God bloody the nose of anyone that gets near you. (RachMarie, Sixty, myself).

What I don't understand is the way Syryana's opinion keeps changing -- first I was scum because I defended CES, then I'm scum because of my exchange with Sixty and my L-1 vote on Whiskers, then I'm scum for hesitating to hammer Nacho, and now I'm scum because I have pursued him even when he stopped attacking me? How does any of that even make any sense? The reason I've "fixated" on him is straightforward, Dazed and Confused and Sotty are extremely town, CES is probably town and if he's mafia then I'll feel like an idiot, and between Syryana and Jason, its no contest who is more scummy.

Oh look, he's talking about someone that's not me for once. I feel like I mentioned that recently. Nah, just a feeling. Also, why is Sotty "extremely town"? Funny, I seem to remember Nacho using that precise expression about Rach.

I would like to point out that I'm not at all changing my opinion about you. I don't feel the need to rehash every reason I've made about you since the game started in every post; my posts would be even longer. Taking any one of my reasons singly is just silly. Besides, some of my reads came from what I was thinking

earlier

in the game. The null read for example was somewhere around page 9 of the thread; by then I'd degenerated you from town to null thanks to your poor reaction to the Sixty attack. If my reads seem disjointed to you, that's because the timeline of my reads is not synchronous with that of the thread.

[Zachrulez]

Bumptacular