Newbie 1345: Mafia in a Bind (Game Over)

[Mutleyddmc]

Well see you got a confirmed town and also similar ways of thinking. I normally look for those who are not pushing to hard for information out of the town, but 'buddying' up and trying too hard to come across as town.

[KingPin96]

Reads, Mut is confirmed town in my book. I love his responses. So arrogant and stubborn. Scum is NEVER like this. Not in my experience. Scum is fickle and trying to look good. ALWAYS. Mut isn't scum. He's not afraid to say no. This makes him look so shit to everyone but soo town to me.

Doesnt town not want to look good too? So a myslynch is less likely to happen?

Also its been said before, people act in different ways. Town-mutley could just have been bored and clueless and felt like fannying around, scum-mutley could have maybe felt clueless too, or maybe just didnt like being scum so he has less motivation and just gives up from the start.

In my opinion, it all comes down to opinions and not facts in terms of peoples play.

[Mutleyddmc]

Who doesn't like being scum? Well I'm sure there's some. But as this place is called mafiascum I'm sure most sign up to games hoping to be scum (I sure did). Then a PR then town.

[Xegarus]

Doesnt town not want to look good too? So a myslynch is less likely to happen?

Also its been said before, people act in different ways. Town-mutley could just have been bored and clueless and felt like fannying around, scum-mutley could have maybe felt clueless too, or maybe just didnt like being scum so he has less motivation and just gives up from the start.

In my opinion, it all comes down to opinions and not facts in terms of peoples play.

Let me link you to CF, he said it best.

" Later eventually comes, so it didn't bother me that he didn't answer right away. That was a towntell, imo. It shows he isn't afraid to tell people "no." Scum are appeasing because they want to be on everyone's good side

[Voodoo Lady]

Reads, Mut is confirmed town in my book. I love his responses. So arrogant and stubborn. Scum is NEVER like this. Not in my experience. Scum is fickle and trying to look good. ALWAYS. Mut isn't scum. He's not afraid to say no. This makes him look so shit to everyone but soo town to me.

So why'd you vote for Mutley in the first place? It's not like there's been a radical change in his behavior.

[MP5]

Damn you xiao for ruining xeg's fake hammer. I was about to tear xeg a new one for it, till I double checked and spotted his plan (did you like what I did in my last post xeg? )

I agree, Muttley is town guys, and so is xeg. Going to reread xiao tonight when I can get back to a laptop, something about his Omgus of me seems townie though, hmmm ...

UNVOTE:

@xiao - lets suppose my initial push on you was a reaction test. Would you classify the answer "is this a reaction test" as getting a pass mark or a fail?

[Xiao Long]

@xiao - lets suppose my initial push on you was a reaction test. Would you classify the answer "is this a reaction test" as getting a pass mark or a fail?

I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking whether I passed your reaction test of me? Not for me to decide. The only reason I asked if it was a reaction test was because you had nothing to vote me on in the first place, so logically this was the only assumption I could make. I assumed you wanted to basque in the pleasure of having me beg you to unvote me, which I wasn't going to do. I was going to go the "you have nothing on me, and if you do have something on me, perhaps you should state it" route.

Also, my vote on you was not an OMGUS. I stated legitimate reasons for voting you, and if the rest of town wishes to let sleeping Mutley's lie, my vote will go back to you for the same reasons I stated in the first place.
That said, your inactivity has made it difficult to truly pin the scum tail on you.

And yeah, sorry for ruining the fake hammer. Lapse of judgment on my part.

[Xiao Long]

Rereading that last post of mine has me thinking I sound like a cunt, nothing personal whatsoever MP5. =]

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.06

Mutleyddmc (3) - Voodoo Lady, Didi, Xiao Long
Xiao Long (2) - FSnake, theslimer3
MP5 (1) - KingPin96
Voodoo Lady (1) - Mutleyddmc

Not Voting (2) - Xegarus, MP5

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Tuesday, April 2, 2013, at 12:37 AM EDT (UTC-4).

Mod Notes

FSnake is V/LA until March 18.
theslimer3 is V/LA for an undefined period.

[FSnake]

I believe this is policy lynching, correct?
Not a good reason.

*snip*

Do you think you could
come up with a real reason
for voting for me?

No the first time I voted you was an RVS thing were i failed at trying something which i shouldn’t have tried from the start. nowhere there i talk about lynching, i wanted to build wagons/start discussions. from the people which had one vote i choose you, because of your formating. after that i was quite happy to let my vote stay on you because i thought MP5 had a point that you seemed dodgy with your “is this a reaction test?”-reactions. mutley was at this point scummier to me but he said he will answer the questions when he has the time. In that moment i was happy to let my vote sit on you. it’s a longer story why i suddenly went V/LA, had i known i wouldn’t be able to post for four days i would have unvoted you back then. you asking to replace mutley was shady at first, but i can get behind replacing someone if it means we can practice to invastigate more like you explained later.
(could somebody experienced definition a policy lynch to me, i often read the term in different circumstances. like lynch all liars or lynch somebody anti-town even if it is not expected that he will flip scum and now because of my reasoning about post formats. thanks in advance)

I have no idea what this just said. I'm not making fun of you if English isn't your native language, but could you rephrase this please?

I meant to say that I had misjudged an IC before and although you are a null tell i will always have this one game in mind. But I changed my mind a little bit over this the last days. (About my english, if somebody thinks my bad english is hurting the game I will ask to be replaced. I want to enjoy this and so do you all. I don’t want to burden you all because I think I can get better in english while playing)

Mind if i ask which game this was?

sorry for calling you xer before, i thought i spotted an “r” in there. the game was Newbie1322. but you were also in some micros if i remember right.



it’s was many times mentioned now that differenet people act different, but then i will struggle only more to build reads. i have to compare everybody to the things i know to a certain level.
xeg you say scum isn’t so stubborn and arrogant in your experience. i played with two really stubborn and arrogant people that were scum, so this wouldn’t mean town to me like it does to you. but while i don’t love his responses like you do this time it speaks town to me too
i hate when people play anti-town and claim later it will help because we can analyse the wagon. unfortunatly you (mutley) aren’t confirmed town until you die or a cop investigates you, so analysing the wagon could actually help scum. all that trolling allowes scum to hide in midst of town while everybody looks at you.

[Mutleyddmc]

Yes Fsnake the scum or at least one is likely to be hiding in the midst knowing that I would be an easy lynch. Which is why I am very much looking at Kingpin. He was around but never voted me even though he thinks I am scum or anti-town. Maybe because he knows I am going to flip town and therefore won't be looked at too much after cos he wasn't on the wagon.

[FSnake]

forgot to
UNVOTE: Xiao

i read it different somehow but i want to hear him answer it before i make my judgement on this.

[Didi]

I agree with Xeg, a mafia probably wouldn't be so brazen, this feels like town responses.

UNVOTE:


My gut atm says Kingpin and Slimer are the mafia team.
Both just throwing some stuff around left and right, but not really involved.

[FSnake]

hello everybody. i realised today that i’m just not suited for this kind of game. i like strategy and intelectual games but i have a hard time to be aggresive or to be investigative because i feel always like insulting someone. i appreciate that i had the possibility to try mafiascum in the newbie section and don’t want to angry someone by quiting midgame. but i think my playing along after i lost the motivation i had last week would be worse to the other new players that really like to play the game. everything said, i enjoy reading games and see games develop from an outsider view. i will follow this game to the end and others in the future. you won’t see me, but i will be watching =)
perhaps some day i will decide to try it again but not in the foreseeable future. again thank you everyone and sorry.

greetz FSNake

asking for replacement

[Xegarus]

Reads, Mut is confirmed town in my book. I love his responses. So arrogant and stubborn. Scum is NEVER like this. Not in my experience. Scum is fickle and trying to look good. ALWAYS. Mut isn't scum. He's not afraid to say no. This makes him look so shit to everyone but soo town to me.

So why'd you vote for Mutley in the first place? It's not like there's been a radical change in his behavior.

To pressure him.

i played with two really stubborn and arrogant people that were scum

Think you can link me to this game?

My gut atm says Kingpin and Slimer are the mafia team.

I dont like kingpin too much but not too sure about slimer.

@Slimer
Played as an IC before?
Ifso, care to link me to some games.

hello everybody. i realised today that i’m just not suited for this kind of game. i like strategy and intelectual games but i have a hard time to be aggresive or to be investigative because i feel always like insulting someone. i appreciate that i had the possibility to try mafiascum in the newbie section and don’t want to angry someone by quiting midgame. but i think my playing along after i lost the motivation i had last week would be worse to the other new players that really like to play the game. everything said, i enjoy reading games and see games develop from an outsider view. i will follow this game to the end and others in the future. you won’t see me, but i will be watching =)
perhaps some day i will decide to try it again but not in the foreseeable future. again thank you everyone and sorry.

greetz FSNake

asking for replacement

Thats a shame. It would be better to replace out now than later but its a shame you don't feel this game is for you just yet.
I hope you reconsider and try again someday.
Do you have any last reads you can give be fore you go?
Good luck out there (outside this site). Itrs dangerous to go alone,take this *hugs*.

[Xiao Long]

I agree with Xeg, a mafia probably wouldn't be so brazen, this feels like town responses.

UNVOTE:

Or perhaps he would be because he knows no one would ever vote for him if he acted like that.

[Xegarus]

I agree with Xeg, a mafia probably wouldn't be so brazen, this feels like town responses.

UNVOTE:

Or perhaps he would be because he knows no one would ever vote for him if he acted like that.

Thats a pretty ballsy move if thats his plan.

[Xiao Long]

I agree, it's ballsy and improbable. But it's still possible.

[Equinox]

Spadille replaces FSnake. Thank you!

[Spadille]

Unvote

Won't vote until I read the whole damn thing.

Hi Guys, I'm Spadille. I'll be replacing FSnake.

[KingPin96]

Yes Fsnake the scum or at least one is likely to be hiding in the midst knowing that I would be an easy lynch. Which is why I am very much looking at Kingpin. He was around but never voted me even though he thinks I am scum or anti-town. Maybe because he knows I am going to flip town and therefore won't be looked at too much after cos he wasn't on the wagon.

I never really said you were scum, i just said you were being anti town and a distraction. If i voted for you it would've been a hammer. I said i wouldnt mind lynching you but now that ive thought about it a bit more, I'd rather wait till near the end of day 1 before even considering hammering.

[Spadille]

VOTE: Xiao Long

Xiao Long withraws his RVS after MP5 calls him out for being scummy and votes him. This is a weak scum tell. Scumm will always want to look innocent, to the point of cleaning their hands off anything that they think would make them look scummy. In this case, Xiao Long having a vote 'out of RVS'. #47 (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4783012)

Xiao Long also tells us a tale of a boy who, instead of actually scumhunting, bashes his attackers in hopes of defending himself nonstop. Please take time to read his posts in isolation.

Xiao and Muttley jumping up there in the suspicion list with extremely weak/dodgy responses

What is dodgy about my response? If you feel like I'm scum, then vote for me, however this wagon MP5 has started against me is retarded and baseless. And with how quickly FSnake and Slimer have jumped on it, I'm finding it hard to not see them as scum.

VOTE: MP5

If you think FSnake(me) and Slimer are the ones who are scummy, then why vote MP5 who just casted the first vote?

#98

>Initially thinks MP5 is just reation hunting by using crappy logic.
>Votes him anyway

#55
Also:

>Knows what a pressure vote is and how it helps.
>Still thinks FSnake is scummy for voting for pressure.

This story stops once he was called out. An interesting reaction.

#113 and #120
These posts tells us a story of how our boy, Xiao Long, evolves. Even though he tells us that quickly jumping on wagons are scummy, he does so. With what reason? The same reason he keeps defending himself of, not scumhunting.

#125
125 is a story of Pontius Pilate washing his hands for the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

[Xiao Long]

VOTE: Xiao Long

Xiao Long withraws his RVS after MP5 calls him out for being scummy and votes him. This is a weak scum tell. Scumm will always want to look innocent, to the point of cleaning their hands off anything that they think would make them look scummy. In this case, Xiao Long having a vote 'out of RVS'. #47 (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4783012)

Withdrawing my RVS once we're out of RVS is a scum tell? lol, perhaps you didn't notice how blatant my RVS was in the first place. I voted for Kingpin because of his avatar. That's obviously a bullshit vote.

Xiao Long also tells us a tale of a boy who, instead of actually scumhunting, bashes his attackers in hopes of defending himself nonstop. Please take time to read his posts in isolation.

Yeah, you're right, me questioning MP5 and giving reasons why I think he's scum isn't scumhunting. Durrr

Xiao and Muttley jumping up there in the suspicion list with extremely weak/dodgy responses

What is dodgy about my response? If you feel like I'm scum, then vote for me, however this wagon MP5 has started against me is retarded and baseless. And with how quickly FSnake and Slimer have jumped on it, I'm finding it hard to not see them as scum.

VOTE: MP5

If you think FSnake(me) and Slimer are the ones who are scummy, then why vote MP5 who just casted the first vote?

You're not very good at reading, are you? Take a look at post 90.

#98

>Initially thinks MP5 is just reation hunting by using crappy logic.
>Votes him anyway

This isn't 4chan, quit trying to green text.
And I didn't vote him for that reason. You clearly missed where I explained I thought he was scum trying to start a wagon on the newest player.

#55
Also:

>Knows what a pressure vote is and how it helps.
>Still thinks FSnake is scummy for voting for pressure.

Yes, I thought Snake was scummy. And I still do to some extent. Well, null-scum. To be fair, he hasn't given me much to work with. You however, have given me a lot with just this post.

This story stops once he was called out. An interesting reaction.

Explain this for me, please.

#113 and #120
These posts tells us a story of how our boy, Xiao Long, evolves. Even though he tells us that quickly jumping on wagons are scummy, he does so. With what reason? The same reason he keeps defending himself of, not scumhunting.

Did you completely ignore the entire Mutley ordeal? The dude was clearly being anti-town and ruining the game by being a cunt in general. Are you implying this is what I'm doing? I voted Mutley because I thought him being at L-1 would make him stop ruining the game. It's not that hard to comprehend.

#125
125 is a story of Pontius Pilate washing his hands for the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

I'm honestly not sure what you're getting at here.


Also, your condescension is not appreciated. Quit calling me a boy and I'll quit insulting your reading comprehension ability.

[Mutleyddmc]

Pretty sure on of king pin or xiao are mafia. If not both.

VOTE:

xiao long

Mainly because he keeps calling everyone a cunt. Whereas at least kingpin is nice.

[Xiao Long]

I think I've only called you a cunt. And myself. Either way, not a good enough reason to vote for someone. Try again.