Newbie 1345: Mafia in a Bind (Game Over)

[Xiao Long]

Also, what about Kingpin makes you think he's mafia?

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.07

Xiao Long (3) - theslimer3, Spadille, Mutleyddmc
Mutleyddmc (2) - Voodoo Lady, Xiao Long
MP5 (1) - KingPin96

Not Voting (3) - Xegarus, MP5, Didi

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Tuesday, April 2, 2013, at 12:37 AM EDT (UTC-4).

Mod Notes

theslimer3 is V/LA for an undefined period.

[Mutleyddmc]

For me kingpin is likely mafia due to his not wanting to hammer me. He didnt want to get looked at as the final blow so was waiting for someone else. He lurked a bit and didnt get involved in the exchanges. If he is mafia he knew all I was doing was being 'anti town' therefore was happy to reinforce his opinion in it. So that the town would look at it as in a oh he was right etc He's not mafia!

You I feel are mafia because again you wanted me gone, but also tries to get me to defend myself. Knowing that I would flip town it would make you look town too even though you voted me. Also you posts that have been brought up previously about not thinking you look scummy. You are obviously worried about trying not to look scummy and not just playing the game knowing you don't need to lie because you are town and have nothing to hide.

As you feel the need to call someone a cunt I feel I'd rather vote you over king pin.
Also I feel you've changed slightly since votes have come off me because of my arrogance and stubbornness. You seem to be playing yourself towards that role too. So that you can use that defence of 'well you saw mutley as town because of that post style why not me?'

[Xiao Long]

For me kingpin is likely mafia due to his not wanting to hammer me. He didnt want to get looked at as the final blow so was waiting for someone else. He lurked a bit and didnt get involved in the exchanges. If he is mafia he knew all I was doing was being 'anti town' therefore was happy to reinforce his opinion in it. So that the town would look at it as in a oh he was right etc He's not mafia!

Makes sense, I agree his lurkiness and lack of involvement in the action is scummy. I haven't looked at his past games though, I so I don't know if that's just his playstyle.

You I feel are mafia because again you wanted me gone, but also tries to get me to defend myself.

Oh, do quit reading my words incorrectly. I didn't want you to "defend" yourself, I wanted you to actually play the game instead of douching around like you were. Notice how much more useful the discussion here has gotten since you quit derailing the game?

Knowing that I would flip town it would make you look town too even though you voted me.

I don't know anything about what you would flip. I knew it was possible you would flip town, but I didn't KNOW. Hell, I'm still not so sure you would flip town.

Also you posts that have been brought up previously about not thinking you look scummy. You are obviously worried about trying not to look scummy and not just playing the game knowing you don't need to lie because you are town and have nothing to hide.

Worried about not looking scummy =/= rebutting shitty logic. Obviously some people still think I look scummy, so if my objective was to make myself not look scummy, I'm not doing a very good job of it. I have no problem with people voting me if they have legitimate reasons. And where have I lied? I've been pretty open and blunt the whole time.

As you feel the need to call someone a cunt I feel I'd rather vote you over king pin.

Again, this is not a good enough reason to vote for someone. Try again.

Also I feel you've changed slightly since votes have come off me because of my arrogance and stubbornness. You seem to be playing yourself towards that role too. So that you can use that defence of 'well you saw mutley as town because of that post style why not me?'

You're full of shit here. I'm not playing anything like you. I didn't spend four pages ignoring questions directed at me until I got to L-1.
My vote is still on you, btw. You haven't given me much reason to take it off.

[Mutleyddmc]

Well I'm not voting for you just cos of what you've called me how can you not see that. I have two options you or kingpin your horrible nature was the deciding factor in the two.

You say people don't read maybe you should too! I never said you've actually lied about anything. I meant that you are over trying to not be scummy hence why you don't feel you aren't scummy where us the townies play the game not having to think about the posts because they aren't lying or hiding anything. I don't mind coming across scummy because I know I'm not. As it was said before commenting in your own scumminess is doing it wrong.

[Xiao Long]

Well I'm not voting for you just cos of what you've called me

your horrible nature was the deciding factor in the two.

lolwut?

You say people don't read maybe you should too! I never said you've actually lied about anything.

You're right, you implied it.

I meant that you are over trying to not be scummy

How? As I said, if I was trying not to act scummy, then I'm not doing a very good job of it because people clearly think I am scum.

where us the townies play the game not having to think about the posts because they aren't lying or hiding anything.

The whole game is about thinking. Thinking what could draw scum out. Thinking what could make townies reveal themselves. Your problem is you don't seem to think whatsoever.

I don't mind coming across scummy because I know I'm not.

However, I don't know you're not scummy. Which is why my vote is still on you.

As it was said before commenting in your own scumminess is doing it wrong.

Different =/= wrong. I have no intention of playing the way people expect me to play. If this results in me being lynched, so be it.

[Mutleyddmc]

How do you not understand that I'm not voting for you just because you called me a cunt. I'm voting you over the other scummy person in my mind. Not like I've gone he's not scummy at all but he's a cunt so I'm voting him. Well of course I'm implying you are lying cos I've voted you and said you are scum. Which means I've implied it. But not picked out one clear lie.

You have no intention of playing the way people expect you too. However because I play by being a bit of a troll etc you thought I was scum? Pot kettle and black springs to mind.

[KingPin96]

For me kingpin is likely mafia due to his not wanting to hammer me. He didnt want to get looked at as the final blow so was waiting for someone else. He lurked a bit and didnt get involved in the exchanges. If he is mafia he knew all I was doing was being 'anti town' therefore was happy to reinforce his opinion in it. So that the town would look at it as in a oh he was right etc He's not mafia!

You I feel are mafia because again you wanted me gone, but also tries to get me to defend myself. Knowing that I would flip town it would make you look town too even though you voted me. Also you posts that have been brought up previously about not thinking you look scummy. You are obviously worried about trying not to look scummy and not just playing the game knowing you don't need to lie because you are town and have nothing to hide.

As you feel the need to call someone a cunt I feel I'd rather vote you over king pin.
Also I feel you've changed slightly since votes have come off me because of my arrogance and stubbornness. You seem to be playing yourself towards that role too. So that you can use that defence of 'well you saw mutley as town because of that post style why not me?'

I didnt want to hammer because like i said, i'd rather wait till close to the end of the day, that way we'll have more information and it you should be more clearer who should be finally lynched.

[Xiao Long]

How do you not understand that I'm not voting for you just because you called me a cunt. I'm voting you over the other scummy person in my mind. Not like I've gone he's not scummy at all but he's a cunt so I'm voting him. Well of course I'm implying you are lying cos I've voted you and said you are scum. Which means I've implied it. But not picked out one clear lie.

You blatantly stated the only reason you voted for me over Kingpin was because I called you a cunt. This means you voted for me because I called you a cunt. While it may be true that me and Kingpin are equally scummy in your eyes, the point still stands that you only voted me over him because I called you a cunt. If you wanted me to think your vote was legit, you should probably have left that part out of it.

You have no intention of playing the way people expect you too. However because I play by being a bit of a troll etc you thought I was scum? Pot kettle and black springs to mind.

Here's the thing, I may not be playing the way people expect me to, but I'm STILL PLAYING. YOU, on the other hand, were ignoring everything and NOT PLAYING AT ALL. Trolling isn't playing, it's trolling, and that's exactly what you were doing. So go fuck your pot/kettle analogy.

[Xiao Long]

Oh, and I forgot to address this:

Well of course I'm implying you are lying cos I've voted you and said you are scum. Which means I've implied it. But not picked out one clear lie.

Well, if you're implying I'm lying, please point me in the direction of what you believe are lies. Otherwise I assume you're just talking out of your ass again.

[Mutleyddmc]

Lol getting wound up. Not my fault you don't call this as playing pretty sure I was playing as I was posting and voted. thats surely playing? just not your way?
So my vote isn't legit even though I've given other reasons so had to pick something as a tie breaker what do you expect me to do? Plus I'm sure it is legit as it will count in the vote count therefore legit!

Oh and you are lying by not saying you are scum. Again you should read I never said you lied in one particular statement. But because you are scum you are therefore lying to the town.

[Mutleyddmc]

I will be referring to you as PKB from now on.

[Spadille]

Please, do not derail my argument. I voted you for being agressively defensive and distancing from the real issue with your ad hominems. Your reply explained what needs to be explained for every player here that is town.

And I didn't vote him for that reason. You clearly missed where I explained I thought he was scum trying to start a wagon on the newest player.

And this changes everything, doesn't it? You assume you are the newest player? Boy, you literally claimed that you initially thinks he is 'reation hunting by using crappy logic'.

Explain this for me, please.

Scums trying to fit in town, doing what town wants him to do and quickly changes. Strong scum tell.

Did you completely ignore the entire Mutley ordeal? The dude was clearly being anti-town and ruining the game by being a cunt in general. Are you implying this is what I'm doing? I voted Mutley because I thought him being at L-1 would make him stop ruining the game. It's not that hard to comprehend.

I did not. But you didn't, did you? Clearly after building up some tension with your exchange with MP5, you needed someone to 'scumhunt' and use as a scapegoat. Mutley would be perfect for you.

I'm honestly not sure what you're getting at here.

I understand your pain.

Scums trying to wash hands just before someone's execution to prevent fingers pointed

You're not very good at reading, are you? Take a look at post 90.

Neither you are at rebuttals. What does post 90 says? Post 90 says you don't really want to look like as if you have 'strong scum reads' so when it comes a time that someone calls you out on it, you'd play the 'I'm not even sure' card.


Also, a quick warning for your scum-buddy. If you want to look like as if you are a town, please do not play this game by just defending yourself. Learn to town.

[Xiao Long]

Lol getting wound up. Not my fault you don't call this as playing pretty sure I was playing as I was posting and voted. thats surely playing? just not your way?
So my vote isn't legit even though I've given other reasons so had to pick something as a tie breaker what do you expect me to do? Plus I'm sure it is legit as it will count in the vote count therefore legit!

No, I don't call trolling for four pages until you get to L-1 as playing. You're actually playing now, and for that, I thank you.
I clearly meant legit as in sound, it counts yes, but it's hardly sound.

Oh and you are lying by not saying you are scum. Again you should read I never said you lied in one particular statement. But because you are scum you are therefore lying to the town.

Except I'm not scum, so me saying I'm scum would make me a liar.

I will be referring to you as PKB from now on.

I honestly don't know what this means.

Please, do not derail my argument. I voted you for being agressively defensive and distancing from the real issue with your ad hominems. Your reply explained what needs to be explained for every player here that is town.

How am I derailing your argument? By stating what you're wrong about? I mean, shit, yeah, I'd be annoyed if someone showed me why my argument against them was incorrect. And yes, I am very aggressive. Tis my playstyle. But I know you can't exactly meta me to verify it. But I don't think ad hominems make a difference here. My reply explains to every player that is town? Well, I'm town, so...

And I didn't vote him for that reason. You clearly missed where I explained I thought he was scum trying to start a wagon on the newest player.

And this changes everything, doesn't it? You assume you are the newest player? Boy, you literally claimed that you initially thinks he is 'reation hunting by using crappy logic'.

Yes, I assumed I was the newest player. If I'm wrong, then sorry. Doesn't change that this is my first game of Mafia ever. Looking back, it appears it was also FSnakes first game, so I guess I am wrong about that.
And yes, I did INITIALLY claim that I thought he was just reaction hunting by using crappy logic. I then said my thinking CHANGED to him trying to start a wagon against (one of) the newest players. My thoughts change. Boy, that's a shocker.

Explain this for me, please.

Scums trying to fit in town, doing what town wants him to do and quickly changes. Strong scum tell.

Eh? What was I doing trying to fit in with town? Actually quite seriously asking this cause I don't know how you mean.

Did you completely ignore the entire Mutley ordeal? The dude was clearly being anti-town and ruining the game by being a cunt in general. Are you implying this is what I'm doing? I voted Mutley because I thought him being at L-1 would make him stop ruining the game. It's not that hard to comprehend.

I did not. But you didn't, did you? Clearly after building up some tension with your exchange with MP5, you needed someone to 'scumhunt' and use as a scapegoat. Mutley would be perfect for you.

You're really reaching here. I'm still quite suspicious of MP5, I believe I even made a post stating that. Funny how someone thought Mutley was my scum partner and now you think he's my scapegoat. Shows me how clueless you are.

I'm honestly not sure what you're getting at here.

I understand your pain.

Scums trying to wash hands just before someone's execution to prevent fingers pointed

Nope, but it makes sense that you would read it this way. You're wrong, though.

You're not very good at reading, are you? Take a look at post 90.

Neither you are at rebuttals. What does post 90 says? Post 90 says you don't really want to look like as if you have 'strong scum reads' so when it comes a time that someone calls you out on it, you'd play the 'I'm not even sure' card.

Post 90 was on page four. Do you honestly expect me to have set in stone ideas of who is and isn't scum by page four? Honestly.

I originally was suspicious of Fsnake, and you've made me even more suspicious of your character (is it okay if I call it that?). You come into the game and immediately try to push votes on who you think will be the most disagreeable. Perhaps you're actually scum and you know I'm town and are therefore trying to get town to lynch who you think will be easiest to lynch.

[Voodoo Lady]

Xiao and Mutley-- calm it down, alright? It's very easy for scum to avoid the spotlight when there are two people going at each others throats.

[Xiao Long]

Precisely what I'm banking on. ;]

[MP5]

Woah, hold up guys. Had just started going through everyone's ISO (short for "isolation", click the drop-down box at the bottom of any game thread where it has "Display posts by user" to read one person in isolation (or add another with the [ + ] sign)), was going to attempt some PoE as I have town reads on half of you, but I think I've caught scum in the very first person I was looking at alphabetically: Didi.

#11-#22: He throws on a joke vote, takes it off when his target complies, then after being questioned on that decides to be compliant and put his vote somewhere else. First instance of trying to "look town" I think, he attempts to avert any suspicion before it can even begin.

For now I feel TheSlimer is the most suspicious. He hasn't really contributed anything useful yet, and jokingaround posts like 'You're wrong about this videogame so YOU'RE SCUM OBVIOUSLY' are more often than not Mafia trying to blend in, in my experience.

Rearrange these words: black, pot, kettle, the, calling. Tries to create serious suspicion on someone for a crappy reason - what were you doing while you were asking Muttley to get an avatar and telling Xiao his formatting was annoying? "contributed anything useful" in there?

#56 he is overexplaining himself, I read as another instance of trying to "look town". If you're voting for pressure, you don't need to say (and in fact shouldn't tell) that it is for pressure. Explanations will come later, and if they have substance to them will stand any scrutiny, however I don't think you want any scrutiny.

But relax, if you're truly innocent I'm sure I'll come around and even if not, it's just 1 vote.

Ugh, this is horrible. You've got both of your bases covered here so that you don't look bad, whichever way it turns out; except that the whole tone of it reads as one yet again trying to "look town" but not attract any scrutiny.

#82-#118 - now the real scumhunting has begun, Didi changes his tack and instead of trying to pressure or build any sort of case, he becomes non-committal, and throws out general and vague suspicions.

Woah that escalated quickly while I was asleep.

Mutley had better fucking be scum.

Scum! Lynch this now.
VOTE: Didi
VOTE: Didi
VOTE: Didi
VOTE: Didi
VOTE: Didi

if Mutley isn't mafia though I don't know what to think

More non-committal stuff, still trying to throw suspicion back on to what I believe would have been a mislynch, but nothing substantial outside that.

I agree with Xeg, a mafia probably wouldn't be so brazen, this feels like town responses.

UNVOTE:


My gut atm says Kingpin and Slimer are the mafia team.
Both just throwing some stuff around left and right, but not really involved.

Really? Now you change your mind on Muttley after both Xeg and I read him as town, you got on to the scum-Muttley bandwagon, now you're trying to get on to the town-Muttley bandwagon quick enough. And then KingPin and slimer? You've twice tried to non-committally cast suspicion on slimer before but haven't mentioned anything else about him/her, and you haven't even mentioned KP all game.

Xeg is town, Muttley is town, Voodoo I'm pretty sure is town too. Might even throw slimer on to the town pile for now too as PoE. Based off interactions and how scummy they are in their own right, I've got FSnake/Spadille (although Spadille has helped this slot since coming in), KingPin, and Xiao as possible partners.

And after how I went at Xiao, I can't even believe I missed this:

Hello everybody. Excited to play my first game on this particular site. ^^

Lol.
No, in and of itself, excitement is not a fantastic indicator of scum (although it was nice to use as a little substance for pressure), but coupled with the rest and in hindsight, I think it did in this case come from scum.

[Didi]

I can see where you're coming from, but you're wrong.
I was actually expecting to get called out sooner for changing votes and suspicions so often, but the truth is, I just don't know atm who to suspect. I suck at day 1 (and am not used to dayphases being this long either), and while I tried to apply pressure here and there nobody really responded in a manner that I really distrusted (except maybe Xegarus). And I am easy to convince as long as people give sound arguments, and well, a lot of those are being given.

So, I get it that you suspect me, but you're on the wrong track. I'm just a clueless townie.

[Xiao Long]

Xeg is town, Muttley is town, Voodoo I'm pretty sure is town too.

I agree with you that Voodoo is most likely town, but am I the only one who still thinks Mutley is a bit scummy? I have suspicions about Xeg, too, but he's null for me atm.

Might even throw slimer on to the town pile for now too as PoE.

idk, with how inactive Slimer is, it's hard to get a decent read on him. I know he's v/la, so that's not exactly helping.

Based off interactions and how scummy they are in their own right, I've got FSnake/Spadille (although Spadille has helped this slot since coming in), KingPin, and Xiao as possible partners.

Me and Kinpin as partners makes more sense than me and Spadille, honestly. Kingpin has defended me more than once, iirc. I'd put Spadille with Mutley over Spadille and Kingpin too.

I can see where you're coming from, but you're wrong.
I was actually expecting to get called out sooner for changing votes and suspicions so often, but the truth is, I just don't know atm who to suspect. I suck at day 1 (and am not used to dayphases being this long either), and while I tried to apply pressure here and there nobody really responded in a manner that I really distrusted (except maybe Xegarus). And I am easy to convince as long as people give sound arguments, and well, a lot of those are being given.

So, I get it that you suspect me, but you're on the wrong track. I'm just a clueless townie.

What about Xeg made you distrust him?

[Mutleyddmc]

I have to agree with xiao. While not impossible i don't think xiao and kingpin are both scum. If they are it would be a bit obvious? However that can also be a ploy, sometimes it's so obvious it can't be true! So they could be playing that angle.

I like the post on didi and those posts of his are definitely scum like, and what I look for. The whole pot kettle black, the whole covering all bases. His response afterwards of clueless townie but understand while you suspect him, also shouts scum to me. A few more scummy posts could put him up there with xiao and kingpin for me.

[Didi]

Xeg is town, Muttley is town, Voodoo I'm pretty sure is town too.

I agree with you that Voodoo is most likely town, but am I the only one who still thinks Mutley is a bit scummy? I have suspicions about Xeg, too, but he's null for me atm.

Might even throw slimer on to the town pile for now too as PoE.

idk, with how inactive Slimer is, it's hard to get a decent read on him. I know he's v/la, so that's not exactly helping.

Based off interactions and how scummy they are in their own right, I've got FSnake/Spadille (although Spadille has helped this slot since coming in), KingPin, and Xiao as possible partners.

Me and Kinpin as partners makes more sense than me and Spadille, honestly. Kingpin has defended me more than once, iirc. I'd put Spadille with Mutley over Spadille and Kingpin too.

I can see where you're coming from, but you're wrong.
I was actually expecting to get called out sooner for changing votes and suspicions so often, but the truth is, I just don't know atm who to suspect. I suck at day 1 (and am not used to dayphases being this long either), and while I tried to apply pressure here and there nobody really responded in a manner that I really distrusted (except maybe Xegarus). And I am easy to convince as long as people give sound arguments, and well, a lot of those are being given.

So, I get it that you suspect me, but you're on the wrong track. I'm just a clueless townie.

What about Xeg made you distrust him?

Like I said before in my exchange with him, I still think he was reacting overly defensive. He might claim that's his meta, but that's not enough to totally convince me.

[Voodoo Lady]

Precisely what I'm banking on. ;]

... :0? I don't know what you're getting at here. How is inviting everyone to sit back and watch you and Mutley devour each other part of your plan?

I agree with you that Voodoo is most likely town, but am I the only one who still thinks Mutley is a bit scummy?

I still think Mutley's behavior is the scummiest out of everyone here... less because he's incredibly aggressive and more because he seems to be passing off scummy behavior as just being his playstyle, as well as a couple of snakey posts. More on that later tonight hopefully (need to do homework and etc right now).

[Xegarus]

scummy behavior as just being his playstyle

Mind telling me exactly what scummy behaviour is?

@Mod, do you think you can contact slimer to see when his V/LA will end?

[KingPin96]

I wasnt trying to defend xio earlier, i just found it odd that mp5 found him scummy without providing a reason.

[Mutleyddmc]

This is going slow now. I'm tempted to join MP5 on the didi lynch. As the more I read the post the more it makes sense. I have this feeling though I can't shake and there's nothing to it really but that xiao and mp5 are the mafia.