Newbie 1336 (OVER)

[Svenskt Stål]

Newbie 1336 - Vote Count 2.8

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reham008 [L-1] - Cybertronix, JasonWazza, BrightEyedFish

JasonWazza [L-3] - reham008
BrightEyedFish [L-3] - Mr E Roll

Not Voting (2):

Ms Marangal, Svenskt Stål

With seven alive it takes four to lynch.

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Phase Deadline:

(expired on 2013-03-25 12:00:00)

Replacing reham008.

Votecount is wrong, Mr E has moved from BEF to me.

Sorry! Fixed it. ~Messiah

@BEF I think your reads are superficial but genuine. But why is it that you have not tried to engage Cyber or Sven in any dialogue if you have a null read on them? It’s day two shouldn’t you be actively scum hunting?

UNVOTE: BrightEyedFish

To me it is abundantly clear that AssMuffin was lurking and not absent. He acknowledged game events as they occurred. I believe that he was busy, but not as busy as he would have us believe. I think he was content to watch town self-destruct. It was only when pressured to provide content that he decided to replace out. My theory is that he couldn’t be bothered to manufacture reads. Even in his final post he failed to provide any insights nor did he apologize for replacing out or wish the town good luck. I believe he had so little interest in helping town because he was scum.

Sven’s actions have compounded my suspicions of that slot.

His reads do not seem sincere to me. His town reads on BEF, myself and Cyber appear to me to based on a perceived weakness of our play. This is troubling to me because…

But this is a newbie game, players that havent thought about the game as much and that can be "bullied" into bad decisions.

I don’t think he intends on bullying us but instead intends on winning of over.

I think if Jason is a mafia he would think twice before being rude because its a newbie game and newbies apply alot of feelings into their voting. He would more likely befriend everyone in my opinion.

Additionally he has specifically asked Ms M and Jason for their list of reads, but has failed to do so for the rest of us I believe that is because he thinks our reads are unimportant since he feels he can manipulate us.

Lady, do I look like a follower? I am captaining this vessel.

One other point of concern for me is…

Oh, I keep using the term "wolf" instead of "mafia", its because that the forum I played on before used that setup.

I believe this is a clumsy attempt to lead us to believe he can’t be scum since he doesn’t even know what they are called.

VOTE: Svenskt Stal

[Messiah]

Newbie 1336 - Vote Count 2.9

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Voodoo Lady [L-1] - Cybertronix, BrightEyedFish, Svenskt Stål

JasonWazza [L-3] - Voodoo Lady
Svenskt Stål [L-3] - Mr E Roll

Not Voting (2):

Ms Marangal, JasonWazza

With seven alive it takes four to lynch.

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Phase Deadline:

(expired on 2013-03-25 12:00:00)

[Svenskt Stål]

I want Marangal to make a decision and place her vote somewhere
Voodoo LAdy should gives us some insight if she finds JAson wolfy and if not she should move.

I want two wagons prefferably, for pressure, can we agree on 2 ?

BEF, Voodoo and Marangal are all people I want to see pressured

[BrightEyedFish]

Why pressure Marangal to put her vote somewhere and not Jason?

[Svenskt Stål]

I belive Jasons suspicions still are at Voodoo and voting her would hammer.

[BrightEyedFish]

I don't think Marangal is suspicious of Voodoo, but theoretically she could also hammer.
Why would you put someone back at L-1 if you aren't OK with their lynching?

[BrightEyedFish]

I think the wording in my last post is a little confusing...
Sorry, I meant to say "Why would you put someone back at L-1 if you aren't OK with them being lynched?"

[Svenskt Stål]

I have no idea what you are talking about, obv she shouldnt hammer, I want her to use her vote, its scummie not to use it. Like it feels like she is affraid to vote and "upset" people, which is something I consider scummie.

I am very much OK with a Voodoo lynch, but we have like a week of time, there is no need to halt yet, my vote should be viewed as that she needs to pick it up.

[Mr E Roll]

And besides, I was not calling for the lynch, I was only putting it out there to see what others thought. Jason's comment in 345 was straight and to the point. I agreed with the logic.

I was giving you too much credit, of course you weren’t calling for the lynch that would require you to be held accountable. Something you are dreadfully afraid of. Of course you were going to follow the recommendations of somebody else because you seem incapable of independent thought.

UNVOTE: Sven

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

[Ms Marangal]

funny thing Sven, not voting upsets people way more then voting does. It's a play-style quirk and it isn't going to change.

here's what I find scummy about BEF. I did a re-read, or rather a re-skim, and what I found is that he seemingly explains every thing he has to do and more recently, I see his actions as buddying. he asks for permission for everything as if he's trying to not get on anyones bad side

Mr E does something similar, though I can actually say his posts are showing signs of scum hunting, while BEF's ones aren't. He also sheeps the IC

[Svenskt Stål]

Might be a good place to vote him then.

I also think you are being to broad with the term "upset", not voting upsets people that I think are more likely to be gamesolving, voting might upset gamesolvers, it probably upsets the votee (which is kinda he point, pressure for response), it also forces accountability from the voteer as he or she has to answer for his or hers vote.

[Svenskt Stål]

So you are robbing the town of information by not voting.

[Ms Marangal]

uhh...

you can also just continue to question the Person in question over and over again until they answer. voting them isn't going to make them answer any sooner

[JasonWazza]

It can, sometimes

[JasonWazza]

Also where did this voodoo lady go?

[Svenskt Stål]

Maybee not allways, but its a tool, its avaible, why not use it.

Its my experience that you get alot more with voting than without, the vote is the fist of reason.

[JasonWazza]

I find it funny that Voodoo has her vote on a guy she just called null, and didn't bother at least to make the counter wagon of BEF like it looked like she might have :/

[Svenskt Stål]

Voodoos vote is an remnant from reham, but yes she should obviously look it over, but it feels like she has given up.

[JasonWazza]

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

Counter Wagon CHOO CHOO!!!

[JasonWazza]

Also i just checked and she hasn't been online :3

Which is sad really

[JasonWazza]

Also i want to point out that vote is actually serious.

[Voodoo Lady]

Apologies for not being online earlier today... I try to get on once every 24 hours at least.

BEF's posts do strike me as a tad sycophantic... almost every change of vote you make is based on someone else's opinion.

You unvote after Ribbit defends him, vote for Mr. Z after Jason posts his argument, then vote for Mr. E because Mr. Z listed Mr. E as scum. (Well, technically he didn't but whatever.)

[An aside-- dead townies are just as likely to be misled as live townies. If Player A is suspicious of Player B and Player A is later lynched and flips town, that doesn't lend any credence to Player A's suspicions.]

I've pointed out time and time again why i kept my vote on Mr Z, please actually read the game.

I just can't wrap my head around why you'd say that you'd rescind your vote for someone if they claimed a PR, then go out of your way to explain why Mister Z was obviously fakeclaiming jailkeeper a few posts later.

Honestly, I think you're scum going after anyone you think might have a power role... which I think would explain your sudden change of heart re: reham quite well.

I would be very, very surprised if both you and BEF turned out to be innocent and not at all surprised if you two turned out to be the scumpair. I'd personally like to hear more from BEF before I change my vote over to him, though, so for now my vote stays on you.

[Svenskt Stål]

Voodoo Lady, vote BEF, Jason isnt not getting lynched today.

This means Ms Marangals vote will be deciding, but before hammering I think we should look at both wagons and talk about how things look depending on how they flip. This makes tommorow easier as no one can say something we havent thought of.

So, everyone should look at voodoo lady and BEF respectively, where are we if x falls town, where are we if y falls mafia etc.

[JasonWazza]

Actually Voodoo i am not changed on your slot all that much to be perfectly fucking honest, i'd just prefer more of a read on Ms M and what better way then to make her pick from two wagons.

[Ms Marangal]

I'm not feeling Voodoo at all, so if I hammer, I'll probably hammer BEF. before I make the hammer though, I do want to hear his defense.