Newbie 1336 (OVER)

[Ms Marangal]

in fact, Voodoo feels very town to me

[JasonWazza]

I have no idea what you mean to be perfectly honest, in fact she clearly misreped me by saying that i flipped on reham.

[Messiah]

Newbie 1336 - Vote Count 2.10

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Voodoo Lady [L-1] - Cybertronix, BrightEyedFish, Svenskt Stål

BrightEyedFish [L-2] - Mr E Roll, JasonWazza
JasonWazza [L-3] - Voodoo Lady

Not Voting (2):

Ms Marangal

With seven alive it takes four to lynch.

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Phase Deadline:

(expired on 2013-03-25 12:00:00)

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[Svenskt Stål]

Ms marangal, no one is asking you to hammer yet, as I stated I think we can use remaining time well if we want to.

Could you explain your Voodoo read? Or is it guts?

[Ms Marangal]

Voodoo came in during crunch time, Reham wasn't the best person to replace into, yet during the time she's been here, she hasn't once shown any adverse reaction to the wagon, or the pressure that was handed down to her from Reham. true, she did talk about her Predecessor and tried to figure out what he did to earn that wagon, but it isn't anything to alarming. She also immediately voiced her suspicions and made her own list of suspects, stating that she will try to catch up the next day. the counter-wagon is on BEF, but she attacks Jason, a person who never was voted on in the first place when she could have picked up on someone who did have a vote or two on them.

[Ms Marangal]

and jason, the misrep, to me sounds kinda like town trying to find something on their target.

[Svenskt Stål]

Voodoo came in during crunch time, Reham wasn't the best person to replace into, yet during the time she's been here, she hasn't once shown any adverse reaction to the wagon, or the pressure that was handed down to her from Reham. true, she did talk about her Predecessor and tried to figure out what he did to earn that wagon, but it isn't anything to alarming. She also immediately voiced her suspicions and made her own list of suspects, stating that she will try to catch up the next day. the counter-wagon is on BEF, but she attacks Jason, a person who never was voted on in the first place when she could have picked up on someone who did have a vote or two on them.

I expect a wolf to do all of this. She has to make a read list. I agree on your Jason point, thats townish but my problem is that I dont see the desperation I would assume a townie would show, to me it looks like a mafia who knows this will be a uphill battle.

[Ms Marangal]

Why would town show desperation though? I would think scum would be far more desperate to being lynched since there really is only a few of them to begin with

[Svenskt Stål]

This isnt my experience, I have found that mafia tends to think that "its supposed to happen", while townies knows that something horribly wrong is about to happen.

Might be diffrent on this site thou.

[BrightEyedFish]

And besides, I was not calling for the lynch, I was only putting it out there to see what others thought. Jason's comment in 345 was straight and to the point. I agreed with the logic.

I was giving you too much credit, of course you weren’t calling for the lynch that would require you to be held accountable. Something you are dreadfully afraid of. Of course you were going to follow the recommendations of somebody else because you seem incapable of independent thought.

UNVOTE: Sven

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

I wasn't calling for the lynch. I was just voicing my support in favor of a voodoo/reham lynch... to me there is a difference. I still stand behind a voodoo lynch, as I still believe she is the best candidate.

funny thing Sven, not voting upsets people way more then voting does. It's a play-style quirk and it isn't going to change.

here's what I find scummy about BEF. I did a re-read, or rather a re-skim, and what I found is that he seemingly explains every thing he has to do and more recently, I see his actions as buddying. he asks for permission for everything as if he's trying to not get on anyones bad side

Mr E does something similar, though I can actually say his posts are showing signs of scum hunting, while BEF's ones aren't. He also sheeps the IC

I am not trying any "buddying” I am just trying to make sure that any of my actions are in the best interest of town and if someone has a rational argument against one of my votes/ideas then I will acknowledge it and change my mind if I feel it is best.

[Svenskt Stål]

BEF, if you are town you should not limit your participation. Our number one tool of reading you is your constant flow of thoughts, so if you are restraining yourself from posting because you fear it might be unwise then you are doing it wrong.

[BrightEyedFish]

I do not feel that I am restraining from posting, but what gives you that impression? Is it my overall post count, or something else?

[Svenskt Stål]

I am not trying any "buddying”

I am just trying to make sure that any of my actions are in the best interest of town

and if someone has a rational argument against one of my votes/ideas then I will acknowledge it and change my mind if I feel it is best.

The bolded sounds like you are restraining yourself, and if you are doing it as a townie you should stop right now and start to just say everything that comes to mind, you wont blow shit up.

[JasonWazza]

Woops

Also say whats on your mind, town has no need to hold back, scum does.

Why would town show desperation though? I would think scum would be far more desperate to being lynched since there really is only a few of them to begin with

Ummm town would be losing our final mislynch before a loss, they shouldn't be just lieing back and letting it happen, but they should fight back just like scum should, but town being lynched isn't the end of the world.

and jason, the misrep, to me sounds kinda like town trying to find something on their target.

So you think townies would be making shit up?

[Mr E Roll]

Voodoo Lady, vote BEF, Jason isnt not getting lynched today.

I hate you. This is exactly what I saw happening, you manipulating people to pick who you want to take to the end. Don’t bother Jason I know this can be town motivated and I should stop posting stupid crap.

Just like Voodoo Lady I can see a BEF/Jason scum pairing. I can also see a Sven/Jason scum pairing. In fact I’d vote Jason right now except I think that would force a Voodoo Lady lynch and obviously I’d prefer a BEF lynch.

I just can't wrap my head around why you'd say that you'd rescind your vote for someone if they claimed a PR, then go out of your way to explain why Mister Z was obviously fakeclaiming jailkeeper a few posts later.

Honestly, I think you're scum going after anyone you think might have a power role... which I think would explain your sudden change of heart re: reham quite well.

I saw this too. But Jason did say he would rescind if they claimed “a” PR not “any” PR, later he explained they he would have rescinded if MrZ claimed doctor.

What I find most suspicious is his case earlier today against Ribbit(now Ms M).

Hardcore defense of MrZ (seems like it was for town cred) Backing off once MrE gets involved (not likely a partner more then likely didn't want to have to try and fight against 2 people for town credit)
Xtian had suspicions of Ribbit.

I actually agree that he defended MrZ, but was it for town cred? that’s a hypothetical theory. Backing off once I got involved because he didn’t want to fight against 2 people that’s also a hypothetical theory. Xtian had suspicions of Ribbit. That’s true but so what, it’s only relevant if that was the motive for the night kill which would be a hypothetical theory. Damn Jason you need to knock it off with all these theories.

This is what I saw happening all day one Jason insisted that MrZ had to be scum. But he kept stressing Ribbit was town only if MrZ was scum. It was like he was setting up his next days kill in advance. Which is fine if it’s not solely dictated on how somebody flips. Scum knows how somebody is going to flip.

So why would he be singling Ribbit out?

Major difference between him and everyone else is he is looking back and going through everything and actually using HIS OWN logic to be convinced of town/scum

, not to mention do you see scum defending a partner;
a) this early
b) that hard
c) and one that already has like 5-6 votes prone on him.
I think his actions thus far is more likely to be town.

I’ve included the whole post so as not to accused of trying to manipulate context but have bolded what I find relevant.

I also didn’t like that he included the night kill motive since that was in my opinion an openly WIFOMIC attack which is something I’m ok using but he seems to hate. What made me go hmmm even harder was when he admitted this later.

How was it way out of the norm?

The quiet guy in the corner is actually a normalish sort of kill target.

Less links to people.

Really it’s normal to kill the quiet in the corner? So why paint a picture that Xtian was NK’ed because he was suspicious of Ribbit.

[Cybertronix]

Sup. Sorry went on a last minute snowboard trip this weekend and just got back last night.

I'll catch up and post this afternoon.

[BrightEyedFish]

Starting with Post 389 the tone Jason's post has changed. I am not for certain why I think so, but something tells me it has to do with the reham/Voodoo replacement.
First he votes reham. Does not want a lynch. Marangal comes in and he directly unvotes to get her off of L-1. He turns his focus to me, I guess to start a counter wagon.

In my last list Jason was my top town read, but has now fell to the bottom. But now I think a Jason/Voodoo pairing is very plausible. Jason removed his vote on voodoo and since has half supported my lynch but also stated

Actually Voodoo i am not changed on your slot all that much to be perfectly fucking honest

, i'd just prefer more of a read on Ms M and what better way then to make her pick from two wagons.

To me this seems like a fallback in case voodoo is lynched and flips scum. But Now I am feeling that Jason may not be as much town as I thought.

[JasonWazza]

Yes cause trying to get reads from making Ms M pick a wagon is totally scummy, and your totally not scummy.

Also how is 389 a tone change i honestly had a feeling she'd shift the feel of that wagon because she seemed ~somewhat~ genuine to start off with, though i didn't feel it was all that genuine and the genuine ended up seeming mostly scummy because of how she presented it.

Also is that 3 people supporting my lynch now?

Someone should have the guts to start a wagon.

[BrightEyedFish]

Also how is 389 a tone change i honestly had a feeling she'd shift the feel of that wagon because she seemed ~somewhat~ genuine to start off with, though i didn't feel it was all that genuine and the genuine ended up seeming mostly scummy because of how she presented it.

I just got a totally different vibe from your posts, starting with that one. It just seems like you were ready and set for a reham lynch, and as soon as voodoo replaced, you took her off L-1 and nothing had changed. The only post you had from voodoo was this:

Hi everyone! It would seem I'm at L-1.

Give me half an hour or so to read through the thread and see what reham did to warrant all this suspicion.

Was this enough for you to change your mind or was it just a cautious move on your part to stop a mislynch, or do you feel that Voodoo is scum?

[Mr E Roll]

In my last list Jason was my top town read, but has now fell to the bottom. But now I think a Jason/Voodoo pairing is very plausible.

I’m not seeing this.

Reham/Voodoo voted Jason.

Jason voted Reham.

Jason definitely seemed willing to lynch reham. Although I’m sure the scum are willing to bus each other it definitely wasn’t necessary for them to do so at that time.

In fact to me it seems more likely that Jason is bussing you than he was reham. And that this post is just you trying to distance yourself from Jason so as not to implicate him when you flip scum.

But if you believe that Jason is now you biggest scum read why are you still voting for Voodoo?

[BrightEyedFish]

I wanted to give Jason a chance to address what I said before I threw my vote his way.

Also, I will just tell you now, I will not flip scum.

[JasonWazza]

Was this enough for you to change your mind or was it just a cautious move on your part to stop a mislynch, or do you feel that Voodoo is scum?

I generally have a policy of unvoting replacements that don't half ass it.

[BrightEyedFish]

Ok, I respect that answer. But maybe we just think differently, but I am still in favor of a voodoo lynch.

[JasonWazza]

I also tend to null a slot if there's a replacement earlier on in the game, unless it's like the scummiest slot in the game then i just push it nullwards.

Ok, I respect that answer. But maybe we just think differently, but I am still in favor of a voodoo lynch.

Meh lot of people are against it, i just think it's courteous and I'm not a total ass when it comes to mafia, and it gives a person a chance to actually impact on the slot.

[Mr E Roll]

I wanted to give Jason a chance to address what I said before I threw my vote his way.

That’s a courtesy you didn’t provide to me.

You seem to have been very deferential to Jason all game can you tell me why?