↑Knight of Cydonia wrote:Stop trying to bring logic into it, TBG. a) it's Panzer, and b) the circlejerk is on his side so at best you'll get "well you were both wrong" like you already did.
That's probably the best I'll get posted, but I'm pretty sure I know what the people who aren't saying anything are thinking, and it's not "wow that TBG dude is an ass".
I still think it's absolutely wtf that anyone expects me to lose an entire series over a simple accident so someone else doesn't have to lose a whole 3 LP, though.
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Actually I take back part of what I said, TBG. I didn't think about how the only person that wanted a dodge was Panzer. If you were fine with the game and didn't want a dodge at all- then there's no reason you should have been forced to.
I misread and thought the argument was that you both wanted to dodge but you felt it was more worthwhile for Panzer to dodge over you.
You wanted to play the game out despite your mistake, and Panzer is the only one who wanted a dodge. Therefore since he insisted a dodge must happen, then he should have done so because he didn't want to play the game.
Negativity loses a game at champ select more than bad picks.
Also yes you ONLY lose -3 lp for dodging, and you can only lose a tier due to inactivity or losing at 0 LP. The only way a person can lose more than 3 LP is if the game is slow at processing LP loss from a previous loss or if you've dodged multiple times in a row.
I still feel like it's still shit for panzer to agree to a duo and then the person he's duoing with fuck up champ select due to negligence. That's not really fair. I've had to deal with it before but I wasn't as angry about it.
↑Brandi wrote:Actually I take back part of what I said, TBG. I didn't think about how the only person that wanted a dodge was Panzer. If you were fine with the game and didn't want a dodge at all- then there's no reason you should have been forced to.
I misread and thought the argument was that you both wanted to dodge but you felt it was more worthwhile for Panzer to dodge over you.
You wanted to play the game out despite your mistake, and Panzer is the only one who wanted a dodge. Therefore since he insisted a dodge must happen, then he should have done so because he didn't want to play the game.
Negativity loses a game at champ select more than bad picks.
Also yes you ONLY lose -3 lp for dodging, and you can only lose a tier due to inactivity or losing at 0 LP. The only way a person can lose more than 3 LP is if the game is slow at processing LP loss from a previous loss or if you've dodged multiple times in a row
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This is untrue, I've seen people lose large quantities on their first dodge. Also 2 other people in queue told him to dodge. Honestly, I should of just afk'd and ignored him after the game and let that be that.
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↑TehBrawlGuy wrote:I'm pretty sure I know what the people who aren't saying anything are thinking, and it's not "wow that TBG dude is an ass".
I wasn't going to post anything directly relevant to this ~DRAMA~, but now I feel obligated to. Neither one of you is completely in the right or wrong here.
I'm also pretty sure there's not a single person in this thread who didn't already know that Panzer can be... volatile at times. Many of us enjoy playing with him despite this. If he's not your cup of tea, whatever, but ffs we didn't need more goddamn drama in this thread.
On a slightly different note, I didn't know that you could lose LP for dodging and that's... pretty fantastically bullshit especially if there's still a timer punishment on top of that. I don't believe I've dodged yet this season, but there are plenty of legitimate reasons for doing so that shouldn't have anything to do with LP. Even if it's only -3.
That'd be pretty awesome considering it'd cover most of the kinds of situations I was thinking of ("house/cat/kid/backyard is on fire!"; "oh god I think my wife just started going into labor"; "significant other is giving me that evil eye that says 'if you play one more goddamn LoL game today I'm withholding sex for a week' "; "close friend/roommate just called and asked if I could help him with his ~SUDDEN EMERGENCY SITUATION~", etc.)
In most of those situations you're probably not coming back to LoL anytime soon, anyway.
The only other reason would be a bug. Riot does not intend anyone to lose more than -3 LP for dodging.
Maybe it was something along those lines, Also, I clearly, was entirely unaware if it is truly set at just 3. Either way, only him(for selfish reasons) and Shen(for fuck if I know) wanted to play the game. Me and the other two players told him to dodge for fucking up and shen told everyone to calm down and he'd support ect. So sure, I guess I could of thrown in the courtesy dodge, but as fair as i knew at the time, Dodges varied in punishment.
↑Brandi wrote:Actually I take back part of what I said, TBG. I didn't think about how the only person that wanted a dodge was Panzer. If you were fine with the game and didn't want a dodge at all- then there's no reason you should have been forced to.
I misread and thought the argument was that you both wanted to dodge but you felt it was more worthwhile for Panzer to dodge over you.
You wanted to play the game out despite your mistake, and Panzer is the only one who wanted a dodge. Therefore since he insisted a dodge must happen, then he should have done so because he didn't want to play the game.
Negativity loses a game at champ select more than bad picks.
Also yes you ONLY lose -3 lp for dodging, and you can only lose a tier due to inactivity or losing at 0 LP. The only way a person can lose more than 3 LP is if the game is slow at processing LP loss from a previous loss or if you've dodged multiple times in a row.
I still feel like it's still shit for panzer to agree to a duo and then the person he's duoing with fuck up champ select due to negligence. That's not really fair. I've had to deal with it before but I wasn't as angry about it.
It's definitely shit, and I'd have taken the dodge for it had it been any other time. I'd be frustrated if my partner did it to me, too. I'm not arguing that he doesn't have right to be pissed at me; he does, and so do three other people. I'm just saying he's handling it awfully, considering it fucked me over more than anyone else anyway. I did mess it up due to just being zoned in on the other team's comp, rather than being lazy or afk, so I don't think it's toooo bad. Needless to say, that's something I'm going to check every game now. All I could do without re-doing 3 hours of games was say "sorry" and carry, and I did both.
↑Brandi wrote:Actually I take back part of what I said, TBG. I didn't think about how the only person that wanted a dodge was Panzer. If you were fine with the game and didn't want a dodge at all- then there's no reason you should have been forced to.
I misread and thought the argument was that you both wanted to dodge but you felt it was more worthwhile for Panzer to dodge over you.
You wanted to play the game out despite your mistake, and Panzer is the only one who wanted a dodge. Therefore since he insisted a dodge must happen, then he should have done so because he didn't want to play the game.
Negativity loses a game at champ select more than bad picks.
Also yes you ONLY lose -3 lp for dodging, and you can only lose a tier due to inactivity or losing at 0 LP. The only way a person can lose more than 3 LP is if the game is slow at processing LP loss from a previous loss or if you've dodged multiple times in a row
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This is untrue, I've seen people lose large quantities on their first dodge. Also 2 other people in queue told him to dodge. Honestly, I should of just afk'd and ignored him after the game and let that be that.
because losing however many LP you lost and 20 minutes is so much better than losing 3
↑TehBrawlGuy wrote:I'm pretty sure I know what the people who aren't saying anything are thinking, and it's not "wow that TBG dude is an ass".
I wasn't going to post anything directly relevant to this ~DRAMA~, but now I feel obligated to. Neither one of you is completely in the right or wrong here.
I'm also pretty sure there's not a single person in this thread who didn't already know that Panzer can be... volatile at times. Many of us enjoy playing with him despite this. If he's not your cup of tea, whatever, but ffs we didn't need more goddamn drama in this thread.
On a slightly different note, I didn't know that you could lose LP for dodging and that's... pretty fantastically bullshit especially if there's still a timer punishment on top of that. I don't believe I've dodged yet this season, but there are plenty of legitimate reasons for doing so that shouldn't have anything to do with LP. Even if it's only -3.
I'm aware I'm not entirely in the right, although I do fail to see how he's not entirely in the wrong.
I knew he could be angered, but I did not know we has as volatile (good choice of words) as he is.
The time penalty's shorter (it's like the normal penalties now), but yeah, it's still shit.
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I still don't see where I'm the one who is expected to dodge in that situation, reguardless of LP loss. You fucked the team comp. The guy playing shen clearly said top, NOT TO MENTION WE HAD 2 BRUISERS when you picked. Liek it doesn't take much mental capacity to realize in a team of Shen, Ryze, MF, Lee Sin, that the only guy left is support. You fucked it and you should of accepted the price instead of ruining 4 peoples games because you're an idiot. You should of been paying more attention especially if you had "the most to lose"
I think I already commented on the singed changes somewhere, but I can probably elaborate a little.
Last time they changed Singed's ult, it was debated if this was a nerf or a buff. They got some of his splitpushing power out of it and gave a little gem of value: the tenacity. Tenacity used to be and is still a stat that's not too easily aquired, so whatever the gold value is that people calculate for it, it's probably worth a little more. It wasn't overpowered, but it was nice. It's quite clear it wasn't, because they didn't change it for about a year. It's also not what makes singed who he is, so I'm pretty sure it changes little. Pre-ancient-ult change you gained attackspeed which did nothing for you being a tank who ran at people, just helped you push down towers. Singed was in that time the same champ, you also could go to an unkillable state and run through teams. Just, one has to pick their boots a bit more careful now, tenacity just got more valuable, so I can't imagine not running mercs against a team with cc.
The other change is something they've been doing through the years. Last time there was the threat that singed was overpowered, they reduced his burst in lane as well, then on the ticks his poison took. It removes the fringe cases where singed blows up a lane early, they never actually seriously went for his main damage: his poison. Hence, it can't be a major nerf. You only don't get to win the lane early. Now, this only happened when there was rather a skill gap between both toplaners, singed is a champ that is designed to suck early game, become unkillable then, and then let everybody suffocate in his poison. This is just a nerf making sure he doesn't accidentaly win his lane early.
Just as the earlier burst nerf (3 ticks of poison in stead of 5, with counting the initial tick is a 33% nerf, harsher then then this one) did exactly that. Before that, if one knew singed a little, a champ that was low could be flung, take those ticks and die, if you calculated it properly. That was pretty much the only difference it made though, it made it quite a bit harder to kill your direct opponent, but nothing else changed. I assume it's the same here.
Further, it nerves ap builds. Well, if you build them, you were winning anyway, or plain silly. The trouble with poison as main damage is that you have to run in front of it, so to deal damage you have to take some first. You better make sure you don't die before you start improving your poison damage. That one is a true symbolic nerf.
Buildwise, only the boots choice gets influenced, and it was a luxury you didn't buy mercs anyway, they are obviously a great item. And if I could hazard a guess, I think singed is still going to be on the stronger side of the spectrum. The thing that lately feels like it made him strong is liandry's, which rather extends the time you are useful. It's a true lategame item for an otherwise midgame champ. As long as they don't change that, I think Singed might be a tad stronger then he was before this season.
Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.
↑PJ. wrote:I still don't see where I'm the one who is expected to dodge in that situation, reguardless of LP loss. You fucked the team comp. The guy playing shen clearly said top, NOT TO MENTION WE HAD 2 BRUISERS when you picked. Liek it doesn't take much mental capacity to realize in a team of Shen, Ryze, MF, Lee Sin, that the only guy left is support. You fucked it and you should of accepted the price instead of ruining 4 peoples games because you're an idiot. You should of been paying more attention especially if you had "the most to lose"
Or you could have just taken the LP hit and earned it back if you really "deserved" to have them base in taker/merit.
This is a pretty moronic reason to drag out an argument on the forums. It's a few LP. Even knowing you thought it varied at the time, I'm really surprised that you'd bitch about who "should" have dodged, and not just manned up and won those LP back.
Yeah, TBG should have paid attention. But mistakes happen, and lambasting someone for making a careless mistake in champ select is just as bad as going off on them for making a mistake in game. The guy is human for fuck's sake. Cut him some slack.
Don't be silly Glork, everyone must be as inhumanly perfect as Panzer. Because clearly he is the best player on here what with his rapid ascension through the leagu-ohwait
On the Singed nerfs, I kind of understand where they're coming from. You shouldn't be able to win your lane that easily with him unless you are significantly better than your opponent. Take me for instance. I love playing Singed, but I absolutely suck playing toplane unless it's something stupidly easy (Garen). And yet I could still win top lane from time to time on Singed. Now I'll actually have to get good at playing him in order to do that. I think his E definitely needed to get nerfed. It gave him way too much burst in lane.
However, I'm worried that the tenacity change will make it harder to be Singed in teamfights.
↑quadz08 wrote:sorry about yorick again I didn't realize you built her wrong, what would ideal buildpath be there?
morellonomicon instead of hat and taking ignite instead of flash would have allowed me to kill you without dying, which would have allowed me to take towers, which would have allowed me to take total health pack control with the idea of killing you once every ignite cd, which would have allowed me to continue to snowball the game and itemize large amounts of MR upon death to counter your AP stacking
↑JDodge wrote:also the number of times you blew flash for health pack control was silly because flash was far more important for sticking to me once i had spirit bond levels (had i mantra-sb'd you i could have just walked away from you at any point)
playing current karma in a 1v1 involves sticking at as low of health as much as you can for as long as you can and then taking advantage of opponent all-in attempts while waveclearing and avoiding raw poke (go too low, die, go too high, lose passive power and remove the major threat of playing karma which is being the best bait in the game); because of this, she's very very all-in and i lack the mechanical skill at this time of night to play her properly in such a situation (i also don't really play many tanky APs nowadays like i used to, favoring assassins in general - my original plan was to pick something to blow you the fuck up like diana and i think i could have gotten away with that if i'd have ended it early, karma doesn't output enough raw damage - this means that i'm used to going in and killing shit lately instead of teetering on the brink waiting for an idiot to dive me)
tl;dr more gg more skill
That's all sensible. I really don't know anything about current Karma's kit, which was part of the reason I was so intimdated going into that match. A 1v1 when you don't know
anything
about the opposing champ's abilities doesn't bode well. I knew she had shit tons of shields, so I tried to most just harass with my Q, and occasionally try to do some more legit damage with an ult combo (though that didn't tend to work out well; I mostly just watched us both stand in place for a few seconds while I ate most of your shield). Flashing to get the health packs happened a couple of times simply because I didn't really know what else to use it for, and I wanted to retain the health advantage I had as much as possible; the only other times I'd be in a position to chase you down, the passive on my E would give me a speed buff anyway.
↑Bub Bidderskins wrote:On the Singed nerfs, I kind of understand where they're coming from. You shouldn't be able to win your lane that easily with him unless you are significantly better than your opponent. Take me for instance. I love playing Singed, but I absolutely suck playing toplane unless it's something stupidly easy (Garen). And yet I could still win top lane from time to time on Singed. Now I'll actually have to get good at playing him in order to do that. I think his E definitely needed to get nerfed. It gave him way too much burst in lane.
However, I'm worried that the tenacity change will make it harder to be Singed in teamfights.
The change on the E is good; Singed is supposed to be annoying as hell as he runs around you dealing poison damage and CCing you, not bursting you down. The tenacity changes just stop Singed from being Singed, though: the champion is based around (as above) running around you being annoying while outputting poison DPS. Now it just seems like he's too easily locked up and killed if he tries to run around the enemy team, or else if he builds full tank he doesn't cause enough of a threat to worry about.
(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record
good at finding reasons to not get along with people and I've never had trouble getting along with Panzer. He's a good guy who takes the game too seriously. And he's a funny guy in Skype calls.
↑TehBrawlGuy wrote:I'm pretty sure I know what the people who aren't saying anything are thinking, and it's not "wow that TBG dude is an ass".
As someone who was just sitting back and not saying anything - actually, that IS what I was thinking. I doubt anyone in this thread read your chat log and was particularly surprised about what Panzer said. We know Panzer. He goes overboard sometimes. This isn't something new. You, on the other hand...well, thank you for giving me a nice glimpse into your character. You posted chat logs with someone on a public forum, told him not to respond, and then tried to take the high road of how Panzer's lucky you're so chill and how you don't want this to cause a shitstorm. I don't believe for a second that you thought this wouldn't cause a dramafest and your "don't respond, I won't answer" is a dickish thing people say when they're afraid of not having the last word. And you posted chat logs on a public forum.
Classy
. If you had to question whether or not it was against the rules, maybe that's a sign you shouldn't do it, eh?
As for who's in the wrong here, yeah, Panzer should have dodged, but if he thought it could demote him, then obviously that wasn't something he would have or should have to have considered as a possibility. TBG was also entitled to not dodge, since it would have lost him his series. Net score of 0 on that. Then Panzer was a dick, TBG acted like himself (ewwww) in response, then posted logs on a public forum and started a dramafest. Net score: doesn't change my opinion of Panzer, still never playing with TBG and will go back to not clicking to display his posts after the dramafest is over. Exciting!
↑DeathRowKitty wrote:I am very good at finding reasons to not get along with people and I've never had trouble getting along with Panzer. He's a good guy who takes the game too seriously. And he's a funny guy in Skype calls.
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We know Panzer. He goes overboard sometimes.
well yes, if you are going to make excuses for him, then you'll get along fine.
"he might act like a dick, but he's a good guy at heart, really!"
Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.
Singed nerfs probably hit in the right place. It'll make him less impossible to deal with midgame without gutting his laning phase much more than it was already gutted. A singed that's too tanky to kill and impossible to lock down kinda sucked to deal with. This nerf at least gives the "cc him!" option if he gets out-of-hand, whereas the only real way to deal with him before was to either kill him or run somewhere so deep even he couldn't dive you (or to have 5 slows on every champion on your team).
↑DeathRowKitty wrote:I am very good at finding reasons to not get along with people and I've never had trouble getting along with Panzer. He's a good guy who takes the game too seriously. And he's a funny guy in Skype calls.
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We know Panzer. He goes overboard sometimes.
well yes, if you are going to make excuses for him, then you'll get along fine.
"he might act like a dick, but he's a good guy at heart, really!"
If that's true, is it really an excuse? Panzer takes the game too seriously. How totally terrible and unheard of. He is actually a good guy outside of the occasional taking-the-game-too-seriously-related incident and I've never had issues with him.
↑mykonian wrote:it's not as if tenacity was always on his ult.
and he's a tank... why shouldn't he build that?
Because tanks have to have some value. If Singed is building full tank, his damage is pretty non-existent and so he might as well just not be there at all since the other team won't focus him. We saw that in one of the LCS games where Dyrus (I think) was full tank Singed and Phreak commented that he needed to build damage if he wanted to contribute.
Singed's huge advantage was that you could build him off-tank (RoA, Rylai's, Seraph's, stuff like that) and run around the enemy team without being locked down, outputting enough damage that they need to deal with you while being tanky enough that you can't get bursted down. But now if you build off-tank, I'm afraid that you can just be CC'd down and rendered useless at the start of the fight.
(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record
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I didn't realize you built her wrong, what would ideal buildpath be there?
