Newbie 1336 (OVER)

[BrightEyedFish]

I can see why you would think that. But my vote on you was based on the information I posted in Post 181

The reason I did not directly vote for Jason as I did with you is because I was also considering my previous reads on him.
My voting for you was based purely on the information I gathered from your D1 voting patterns. But we have been though that already.

[Mr E Roll]

Here is the order of votes for MrZep:
1. AssMuffin
2. Jason
3. Mr E Roll (First vote, directly after replacing.)
4. BrightEyedFish (L-1)
5. Mr E Roll (UNVOTE)
6. Mr E Roll (Re-Vote for L-1)
7. reham008 (HAMMER)

Hope this helps.

Can you tell me why you put a footnote next to number 3 indicating it was my first vote? But you didn’t put footnotes next to 1 or 2 indicating what vote it was for Muffin or Jason?

[BrightEyedFish]

I can't recall exactly, but I believe I put the footnote in because I thought it may have been that you were just jumping on the first wagon you came across in this game.

[Voodoo Lady]

I expect a wolf to do all of this. She has to make a read list.

I posted a very brief one earlier, if I'm not mistaken. But here, I'll post it again, updated with the relevant switches.

TOWN

Voodoo Lady
Mr. E Roll

NLT

Sven

NULL

Ms Marangal

NLS

Cybertronix

SCUM

BEF
Jason

I just can't wrap my head around why you'd say that you'd rescind your vote for someone if they claimed a PR, then go out of your way to explain why Mister Z was obviously fakeclaiming jailkeeper a few posts later.

Honestly, I think you're scum going after anyone you think might have a power role... which I think would explain your sudden change of heart re: reham quite well.

I saw this too. But Jason did say he would rescind if they claimed “a” PR not “any” PR, later he explained they he would have rescinded if MrZ claimed doctor.

Schrodinger's gun. If Mr. Z had claimed doctor, Jason would have said that he was obviously scum trying to bait out the town doctor before he died. And if Mr. Z claimed cop, Jason would have claimed that Mr. Z was scum trying to bait the protective roles into targeting him.

Of course, I know Jason's going to say that obviously he wasn't going to say what the most convenient claim was because it was a reaction test. But I don't believe him, unfortunately.

Personally, I think Jason is more likely to be scum than you, BEF. But I'd still be content with hammering you.

Also, Cyber, please don't promise content and then never deliver? I understand your life is busy but you did this in the last game I played with you as well and it's sort of frustrating.

[JasonWazza]

I expect a wolf to do all of this. She has to make a read list.

I posted a very brief one earlier, if I'm not mistaken. But here, I'll post it again, updated with the relevant switches.

TOWN

Voodoo Lady
Mr. E Roll

NLT

Sven

NULL

Ms Marangal

NLS

Cybertronix

SCUM

BEF
Jason

I just can't wrap my head around why you'd say that you'd rescind your vote for someone if they claimed a PR, then go out of your way to explain why Mister Z was obviously fakeclaiming jailkeeper a few posts later.

Honestly, I think you're scum going after anyone you think might have a power role... which I think would explain your sudden change of heart re: reham quite well.

I saw this too. But Jason did say he would rescind if they claimed “a” PR not “any” PR, later he explained they he would have rescinded if MrZ claimed doctor.

Schrodinger's gun. If Mr. Z had claimed doctor, Jason would have said that he was obviously scum trying to bait out the town doctor before he died. And if Mr. Z claimed cop, Jason would have claimed that Mr. Z was scum trying to bait the protective roles into targeting him.

Of course, I know Jason's going to say that obviously he wasn't going to say what the most convenient claim was because it was a reaction test. But I don't believe him, unfortunately.

Personally, I think Jason is more likely to be scum than you, BEF. But I'd still be content with hammering you.

Also, Cyber, please don't promise content and then never deliver? I understand your life is busy but you did this in the last game I played with you as well and it's sort of frustrating.

a) wasn't i null just before?
b) No i would NOT have lynched Mr Z if he claimed Doctor, there is next to no reason not to believe a doctor claim from scum.

[Mr E Roll]

Schrodinger's gun. If Mr. Z had claimed doctor, Jason would have said that he was obviously scum trying to bait out the town doctor before he died. And if Mr. Z claimed cop, Jason would have claimed that Mr. Z was scum trying to bait the protective roles into targeting him.

So if you think Jason was going to refute any PR claim why do you think he wanted one so bad? Couldn’t wait a few extra hours to see the flip to find out if he got a PR lynched? Do you think if MrZ claimed vanilla townie Jason would have backed off and looked for another target?

[Svenskt Stål]

Voodoo, if you are content with a BEF wagon why are you not voting him?

[Mr E Roll]

@Sven you seem to be a big advocate of using your vote why didn’t you use your vote between Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:54 am when you unvoted Jason and Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:12 am when you voted for Voodoo Lady? Couldn’t/shouldn’t you have been using your vote to pressure people as you are now calling for others to do?

[BrightEyedFish]

I would support a Jason wagon at this time. As he is also now high on my scumlist as I post earlier. Let see how he reacts if we can apply some pressure.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: JasonWazza

I know this is going to seem like I am jumping on Mr E Roll's thoughts of Jason being more scum then I am, but...
The voodoo case has not had any new evidence for awhile now and is tapering off. She has been at L-1 long enough and no one wants to hammer. I can take that as a sign for now that maybe I was focusing too much on reham and not enough on voodoo. However, I am not 100% convinced she is not scum.

I will have an updated read list later today.

[JasonWazza]

I would support a Jason wagon at this time. As he is also now high on my scumlist as I post earlier. Let see how he reacts if we can apply some pressure.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: JasonWazza

What reaction are you expecting?

[Svenskt Stål]

@ Mr E, I wanted to vote Reham/voodoo, but doing so would have hammered, made my move when Jason went all noble for the new girl.

[Mr E Roll]

I understand that reham was your first choice but you didn't apply it anywhere else so why do you expect Voodoo to move her vote from her first choice?

[Mr E Roll]

I think BEF/Jason or Sven/Jason are the two most likely scum pairings so...

UNVOTE: BEF

VOTE: Jason Wazza

This places Jason at L-1 do not vote for him unless you want to see him dead.

[Ms Marangal]

er... great,

I would still choose BEF over Jason, though I am starting to see E's reasoning on him. My strong town read on Sven is slowly slipping, I'm not liking how he such a strong advocate with using the vote... playstyle quirk more then likely though

[Svenskt Stål]

I understand that reham was your first choice but you didn't apply it anywhere else so why do you expect Voodoo to move her vote from her first choice?

Because Jason hasnt been a viable option, the vote hasnt done anything... but now it seems like there will be a Jason wagon so she wont have to move after all.

[Messiah]

Newbie 1336 - Vote Count 2.11

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JasonWazza [L-1] - Voodoo Lady, BrightEyedFish, Mr E Roll

Voodoo Lady [L-2] - Cybertronix, Svenskt Stål
BrightEyedFish [L-3] - JasonWazza

Not Voting (2):

Ms Marangal

With seven alive it takes four to lynch.

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Phase Deadline:

(expired on 2013-03-25 12:00:00)

[Cybertronix]

Sup. I'm here.

First off, I'm not sold on the Jason wagon. He's an aggressive player, but he's not stupid. I don't think scum would bring so much attention to himself by pushing the Mr. Z lynch so hard even after he claimed JK.

Reads (T to S):

Mr E Roll: I like his questions/analysis, although I disagree on Jason. Nothing sticks out to me as scummy.

Jason: Aggressive and pushes for action. Getting heat for D1, but I want to believe he wouldn't be that careless if he was scum.

Sven: Has been good as a replacement, and is active and and scum-hunting.

Ms. Marangal: No general feelings either way. Good activity level, but can't put her on either side right now.

Voodoo: Predecessor did a lot of damage, but she has managed to redeem herself a bit in my eyes.

BEF: Most likely scum in my eyes ATM. Will explain this in next post.

[Cybertronix]

Seriously, this is getting old. I HAVE ANSWERED! For the third time, the answer to your question is ""I did not think anything of it."
And this is why.
We all know that reham has made some questionable moves in this game. His post asking me to claim and his retraction of that post were 2 hours apart. I read them both for the first time in the same setting, so it is not as if I had time to sit and dwell on it. And there was no further discussion on it until you brought it back up.
Stop looking for problems where no problems exist.

Still find it suspect that he feels absolutely nothing, or has no input in regards to reham's play here. Perhaps afraid his reaction may incriminate him?

Ok, back to reham. He has been at L-1 for awhile now and I believe he has quit the game (over 5 days since last post).

How do you think we should proceed here.

Something tells me that we should just go on and lynch reham.

As of right now, I do not think anyone else is deserving of a lynch.

Or should we wait on a replacement before a hammer?

Here he expresses desire to lynch an empty slot. Definitely not townie motivated.

I wanted to give Jason a chance to address what I said before I threw my vote his way.

Also, I will just tell you now, I will not flip scum.

WIFOM. [sarcasm]Of course you won't[/sarcasm]

Starting with Post 389 the tone Jason's post has changed. I am not for certain why I think so, but something tells me it has to do with the reham/Voodoo replacement.
First he votes reham. Does not want a lynch. Marangal comes in and he directly unvotes to get her off of L-1. He turns his focus to me, I guess to start a counter wagon.

In my last list Jason was my top town read, but has now fell to the bottom. But now I think a Jason/Voodoo pairing is very plausible. Jason removed his vote on voodoo and since has half supported my lynch but also stated

Actually Voodoo i am not changed on your slot all that much to be perfectly fucking honest

, i'd just prefer more of a read on Ms M and what better way then to make her pick from two wagons.

To me this seems like a fallback in case voodoo is lynched and flips scum. But Now I am feeling that Jason may not be as much town as I thought.

I don't understand how Jason went from the top of your list to the bottom. I don't see a Jason/Voodoo pairing either based on him unvoting a replacement?

Also if I understand this correctly, Jason didn't want to lynch an empty slot yet you are holding this against him?

Your case is crap and your play is erratic.

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

[BrightEyedFish]

Seriously, this is getting old. I HAVE ANSWERED! For the third time, the answer to your question is ""I did not think anything of it."
And this is why.
We all know that reham has made some questionable moves in this game. His post asking me to claim and his retraction of that post were 2 hours apart. I read them both for the first time in the same setting, so it is not as if I had time to sit and dwell on it. And there was no further discussion on it until you brought it back up.
Stop looking for problems where no problems exist.

Still find it suspect that he feels absolutely nothing, or has no input in regards to reham's play here. Perhaps afraid his reaction may incriminate him?

He asked for a claim and then he rescinded the claim request. Should I still have a made a claim? Would it have mattered it I did?

Ok, back to reham. He has been at L-1 for awhile now and I believe he has quit the game (over 5 days since last post).

How do you think we should proceed here.

Something tells me that we should just go on and lynch reham.

As of right now, I do not think anyone else is deserving of a lynch.

Or should we wait on a replacement before a hammer?

Here he expresses desire to lynch an empty slot. Definitely not townie motivated.

Read the entire quote. I said I was in favor but in the same post after I asked everyone else

"Or should we wait on a replacement before a hammer?"

For the rest of your post, I will answer it my read list I was working on when I read your post.
List coming right up.

[Cybertronix]

He asked for a claim and then he rescinded the claim request. Should I still have a made a claim? Would it have mattered it I did?

No. Claiming would have been bad, but the fact that you have absolutely no thoughts on why he asked you to do it, nor did you question it is suspicious. Hell, if I was asked to claim out of the blue I would have said something about it. Even a "Why?" would make sense as a response. The fact that you didn't indicates to me that you weren't interested in scumhunting or finding out answers to people's actions. Yes he did rescind it, but that doesn't change the fact that he asked it. Even those actions strike me as odd. You not noticing this, nor caring makes me suspect you.

Read the entire quote. I said I was in favor but in the same post after I asked everyone else "Or should we wait on a replacement before a hammer?"

I did. It doesn't change the fact that you said that "SOMETHING TELLS ME WE SHOULD JUST GO ON AND LYNCH REHAM". Here you expressed your desire to lynch the empty slot.

[JasonWazza]

Sven you should vote BEF to keep with the Ms M read building exercise.

[BrightEyedFish]

JasonWazza
Leaning scum. I was agreeing with almost all of your post and was taking your posts as a guide. But I don't know what exactly it is, but since voodoo
has replaced reham, it feels like another person is posting. I do not so much believe the Jason/Voodoo scumparing as much now. That sudden change in posting style gave me alarm.

Ms Marangal
Town. Her thoughts on Jason are also what helped me realize that I wasn't crazy for thinking that Jason might be scum.

Mr E Roll
Town. I did think you were scum for beingon my case for the entirety of D2. Then I realized you are not just focusing on me, but others as well. Genuine scum hunting from what I can tell now.

Cybertronix
Null. Of course, I feel I have a good enough reason for a OMGUS against Cyber from his last post, but I like how he is digging into things and looking for problems. I feel he is wasting his time looking into me, but any lead is a good lead.

Svenskt Stål
Null. I do not see much direct scum-hunting coming directly from Sven. I think he is using a more stratigic approach. If this is a good or bad thing, right now I can't tell.

Voodoo
Still leaning more to scum but moving towards town. Hasn't posted very much since replacing in.

[BrightEyedFish]

He asked for a claim and then he rescinded the claim request. Should I still have a made a claim? Would it have mattered it I did?

No. Claiming would have been bad, but the fact that you have absolutely no thoughts on why he asked you to do it, nor did you question it is suspicious. Hell, if I was asked to claim out of the blue I would have said something about it. Even a "Why?" would make sense as a response. The fact that you didn't indicates to me that you weren't interested in scumhunting or finding out answers to people's actions. Yes he did rescind it, but that doesn't change the fact that he asked it. Even those actions strike me as odd. You not noticing this, nor caring makes me suspect you.

Read the entire quote. I said I was in favor but in the same post after I asked everyone else "Or should we wait on a replacement before a hammer?"

I did. It doesn't change the fact that you said that "SOMETHING TELLS ME WE SHOULD JUST GO ON AND LYNCH REHAM". Here you expressed your desire to lynch the empty slot.

I had no time to post a "Why" or anything like that before he rescinded his request.
and
Yes, I did express a desire to lynch an empty spot. Maybe this is my newbness, but I still had the same read on reham before he replaced out. Whether he was there or not did not change my opinion on him. Now, however I realize why lynching an empty slot is not only bad for town, but a douchey move.

[Svenskt Stål]

Unvote
VOTE: BrightEyedFish

Interesting movements, will give it some thoughts later.

[JasonWazza]

JasonWazza
Leaning scum. I was agreeing with almost all of your post and was taking your posts as a guide. But I don't know what exactly it is, but since voodoo has replaced reham, it feels like another person is posting. I do not so much believe the Jason/Voodoo scumparing as much now. That sudden change in posting style gave me alarm.

Well i'm still the same person so i don't see it, call me crazy, but if this is your case you need to find something more.

To all those voting me i am at L-1 and a quick check shows a VERY limited case, anyone got a reason for lynching me that isn't based on the good old "IC is a threat" shit please come forward and present it.

If my memory serves most of the case is "gut" and "changed posting style" and considering it's day 2 that is a pretty pathetic reasoning for an L-1 wagon.

I'd hazard a guess that both scum are on my wagon.