Open 485: Polygamist Mafia - GAME OVER

[orcinus_theoriginal]

And if anyone could tell me how "interesting" is equivalent to "hey this guy is scum"

That would be much appreciated

[Ms Marangal]

You aren't talking about me in that deathy right TAM?

I was thinking that Orci was probable scum, but now I'm not entirely sure... TAM's IIoA so far is bothersome, and it seems like he's being to nice. as if he doesn't want to attract attention

Pedit: no, I was talking about your vote to FF

[orcinus_theoriginal]

oh ok it didn't come across that way in which case answer me this

And if anyone could tell me how "interesting" is equivalent to "hey this guy is scum"

That would be much appreciated

[Ms Marangal]

I can't because I don't equate "Interesting" to "this guy is scum". I do equate it to mean "I should take a closer look at this guy over here, and so should others" kinda thing. I'm not to incredibly thrilled with you reaction to FF's "interesting" though.

[TraceyLyn11]

VOTE COUNT 1.3

[L-6] Ms Marangal: (FuDuzn)

[L-7] The Acting Method:

[L-7] FuDuzn:

[L-7] JKMatthews:

[L-7] Klick:

[L-6] Keybladewielder: (Klick)

[L-6] Messiah: (Keybladewielder)

[L-7] leviathan93:

[L-7] Nekoko:

[L-7] orcinus_theoriginal:

[L-6] fferyllt: (orcinus_theoriginal)

[L-6] Voodoo Lady: (JKMatthews)

Not Voting:

7 (Ms Marangal, The Acting Method, Messiah, leviathan93, Nekoko, fferyllt, Voodoo Lady)

• With twelve alive, it takes seven to lynch.
  
• Day One's deadline: April 9, 2013 CST or in (expired on 2013-04-09 17:30:00).
  
• V/LA: No one.

"Minds are like parachutes. They only function when they are open."

-Sir James Dewar

[orcinus_theoriginal]

So why are you thrilled with FF's reaction to me?

Here is how the conversation went down.

I posted a fluff post.
FF posts "interesting". Whatever this means, FF didn't have me as a scum read at the time.
I RV him.
FF lists me as a scumread.

So really, I RV'd FF, and then FF OMGUS'd me.

Logic with me.

[fferyllt]

You people.

I exchanged 3 messages with my partner in pregame, we bought meta up but not specifics.

My initial vote on ff was a RV, because I saw that she was online and I reckoned that we could have a live-time conversation for a while which i find all too useful (since scum don't have time to mask their posts). That, and "interesting" is a pretty cruddy post.

Spin your narratives with evidence please

Maraganal didn't describe my vote as OMGUS, she described ff's reaction to my vote OMGUS, which is how it should be read.

We moved out of RV pretty fast...like almost instantaneously. Did you read the thread?

I have a different read on Maraganal's post, so I'll wait for her to clear it up. I commented on your post "Interesting", and you immediately voted me. That looked OMGUS to me. If it's random, cool beans. I already thought there was a disconnect of some sort.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You people.

I exchanged 3 messages with my partner in pregame, we bought meta up but not specifics.

My initial vote on ff was a RV, because I saw that she was online and I reckoned that we could have a live-time conversation for a while which i find all too useful (since scum don't have time to mask their posts). That, and "interesting" is a pretty cruddy post.

Spin your narratives with evidence please

Maraganal didn't describe my vote as OMGUS, she described ff's reaction to my vote OMGUS, which is how it should be read.

We moved out of RV pretty fast...like almost instantaneously. Did you read the thread?

Well, no.

I have a different read on Maraganal's post, so I'll wait for her to clear it up. I commented on your post "Interesting", and you immediately voted me. That looked OMGUS to me. If it's random, cool beans. I already thought there was a disconnect of some sort.

It was random, I've explained this. Now explain your OMGUS.

Unless something really weird happened where you thought I was OMGUSing so voted me, and then I saw you voting me and thought you were OMGUSing.

What were you trying to achieve with your post?

[Ms Marangal]

you mean the post where I called Orci out for OMGUS? I had assumed the same thing you assumed in regards to Orci's vote

and I'm not exactly thrilled with FF's response to you either, never said I was.

[fferyllt]

I was trying to get a reaction, orcinus. your post looked almost too breezy and "oh my what's going on?" it was enough to perk my interest. From my perspective, my one word comment drew a vote from you. An almost instantaneous vote. That looked like an overreaction. Scum often either overreact or under-react to unexpected attention. So my initial reaction was "what have we here? Scum?"

Your posts after that gave me reason to reevaluate, hence my backing off my initial concern about your vote.

[The Acting Method]

81, 81, 81... Orc, it seems to pretty much everyone reading the thread whose commented on it, your vote for fferyllt looked like a scummy OMGUS. Which he responded to by going "Okay then, your scum."

Marangal intended her comment that way.

And Marangal, No, Town won that game... This was a game that town lost... on Mafia scum. Not our home site.

And Orc, My narration sounds like a pretty accurate representation of how your posts appeared.

You made a post, Ffer quoted it and said interesting. You responded by voting him with no reason given, (natural thought: He's OMGUSing) fferyllt's reaction was probably "That's a scummy response to a single post." She was also probably seeing you as a badly reacting caught out scum.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

you mean the post where I called Orci out for OMGUS? I had assumed the same thing you assumed in regards to Orci's vote

and I'm not exactly thrilled with FF's response to you either, never said I was.

So since nobody can explain how "interesting" was supposed to equate to "scum", I'm still not sure how my vote could be seen as anything other than RV.

So Marangal, why were you going after me and not FF?

I've been muling TAM's post over in my head. It looks like opportunistic scum because none of the points really hold.

Orcinus, and you couldn't have done this pregame? Gathered all of the neccesary meta and ideas before hand? Your meta excuse seems a bit sloppy... I can kind of accept the reaction test stuff though. Kind of, as in, reaction testing in Polygamist can be unwise and again, I refer to the game I played where town claimed scum and got themselves lynched.

Orc... OMGUS is maybe the wrong word, but your vote with no reason just for saying "Interesting" Looks scummy.

For one thing, you could be scum pouting about not being able to talk to your buddies in the day.

Please note that someone else used OMGUS to describe your vote before Fferllyt... and you didn't react then.

First off, I obviously didn't know that the QT would be locked, so I obviously didn't do it pregame. I don't get how meta excuse looks sloppy and that needs to be explained.

Why does everyone think it was a serious vote, I didn't even put anything else in that post

Yes, and you could be a duck who's very lucky at hitting keys on the keyboard so I don't really understand that sentence. I could be a lot of things. It's your job to use evidence to prove that I'm one of them.

I can live with the last sentence, and I don't understand how everybody's been seeing this conversation from a different viewpoint as me, but whatever.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I was trying to get a reaction, orcinus. your post looked almost too breezy and "oh my what's going on?" it was enough to perk my interest. From my perspective, my one word comment drew a vote from you. An almost instantaneous vote. That looked like an overreaction. Scum often either overreact or under-react to unexpected attention. So my initial reaction was "what have we here? Scum?"

Your posts after that gave me reason to reevaluate, hence my backing off my initial concern about your vote.

An /overreaction/

/Really/

I'm better as scum than you give me credit.

But anyways I think this was a shitfest of misunderstanding.

81, 81, 81... Orc, it seems to pretty much everyone reading the thread whose commented on it, your vote for fferyllt looked like a scummy OMGUS. Which he responded to by going "Okay then, your scum."

Ad populum, but okay sure

Marangal intended her comment that way.

Sure

And Marangal, No, Town won that game... This was a game that town lost... on Mafia scum. Not our home site.

And Orc, My narration sounds like a pretty accurate representation of how your posts appeared.

Well, no.

You made a post, Ffer quoted it and said interesting. You responded by voting him with no reason given, (natural thought: He's OMGUSing) fferyllt's reaction was probably "That's a scummy response to a single post." She was also probably seeing you as a badly reacting caught out scum.

The post was good until now. How was I "caught out"?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: TAM

[orcinus_theoriginal]

My narration

Wait where is this narration?

[Ms Marangal]

Because, while I'm not exactly thrilled with FFertyl's response to you, it didn't give me the adverse reaction yours had to his. at that point, you, TAM and ffertyl were both leaning scum, my read on you slightly stronger then my read on him. I doubt that scum would bus in this set-up, so I went after you. TAM is scummy, though I can't decide who's the scummier one between the two of you. TAM is coming off as a tad bit opportunistic, and his passiveness bothers me, while you seem incredibly jumpy to everything.

[The Acting Method]

My narration

Wait where is this narration?

What ever you are referring to in the bolded of the quoted post below.

You people.

I exchanged 3 messages with my partner in pregame, we bought meta up but not specifics.

My initial vote on ff was a RV, because I saw that she was online and I reckoned that we could have a live-time conversation for a while which i find all too useful (since scum don't have time to mask their posts). That, and "interesting" is a pretty cruddy post.

Spin your narratives with evidence please

Maraganal didn't describe my vote as OMGUS, she described ff's reaction to my vote OMGUS, which is how it should be read.

Last line already disproven.

you mean the post where I called Orci out for OMGUS? I had assumed the same thing you assumed in regards to Orci's vote

and I'm not exactly thrilled with FF's response to you either, never said I was.

So since nobody can explain how "interesting" was supposed to equate to "scum", I'm still not sure how my vote could be seen as anything other than RV.

So Marangal, why were you going after me and not FF?

I've been muling TAM's post over in my head. It looks like opportunistic scum because none of the points really hold.

Okay, let me explain because you didn't seem to get it.
Fferllyt said "interesting" in regards to a post from you where you expressed shock that the town didn't get talk with their lovers during the day. Fferllyt found your reaction interesting, which it was, I didn't really see a town tell from it and it seemed forced. As far as I can tell, your next move was to vote Fferllyt, presumably because you saw that fferllyt thought you had an interesting post. It is your REACTION, the sudden vote for no reason, that makes you seem scummy. You seem from that vote to be afraid Fferyllt has noticed something and you are trying to escape it.

Orcinus, and you couldn't have done this pregame? Gathered all of the neccesary meta and ideas before hand? Your meta excuse seems a bit sloppy... I can kind of accept the reaction test stuff though. Kind of, as in, reaction testing in Polygamist can be unwise and again, I refer to the game I played where town claimed scum and got themselves lynched.

Orc... OMGUS is maybe the wrong word, but your vote with no reason just for saying "Interesting" Looks scummy.

For one thing, you could be scum pouting about not being able to talk to your buddies in the day.

Please note that someone else used OMGUS to describe your vote before Fferllyt... and you didn't react then.

First off, I obviously didn't know that the QT would be locked, so I obviously didn't do it pregame. I don't get how meta excuse looks sloppy and that needs to be explained.

Why does everyone think it was a serious vote, I didn't even put anything else in that post

Yes, and you could be a duck who's very lucky at hitting keys on the keyboard so I don't really understand that sentence. I could be a lot of things. It's your job to use evidence to prove that I'm one of them.

I can live with the last sentence, and I don't understand how everybody's been seeing this conversation from a different viewpoint as me, but whatever.

I'd have to read the meta excuse again to clear that up, but I find it interesting you ignore my point on reaction testing. In any case, We only have your word to go on that you didn't know the QT would be locked. Or that you talked to your lover. (slight contradiction in what you have said anyone?)
Oh look, I give an explanation on how your post might be "interesting" and scummy. I use a hypothetical yes but I still make the point of why it would be "interesting" and scum worhty.

I was trying to get a reaction, orcinus. your post looked almost too breezy and "oh my what's going on?" it was enough to perk my interest. From my perspective, my one word comment drew a vote from you. An almost instantaneous vote. That looked like an overreaction. Scum often either overreact or under-react to unexpected attention. So my initial reaction was "what have we here? Scum?"

Your posts after that gave me reason to reevaluate, hence my backing off my initial concern about your vote.

An /overreaction/

/Really/

I'm better as scum than you give me credit.

But anyways I think this was a shitfest of misunderstanding.

81, 81, 81... Orc, it seems to pretty much everyone reading the thread whose commented on it, your vote for fferyllt looked like a scummy OMGUS. Which he responded to by going "Okay then, your scum."

Ad populum, but okay sure

Marangal intended her comment that way.

Sure

And Marangal, No, Town won that game... This was a game that town lost... on Mafia scum. Not our home site.

And Orc, My narration sounds like a pretty accurate representation of how your posts appeared.

Well, no.

You made a post, Ffer quoted it and said interesting. You responded by voting him with no reason given, (natural thought: He's OMGUSing) fferyllt's reaction was probably "That's a scummy response to a single post." She was also probably seeing you as a badly reacting caught out scum.

The post was good until now. How was I "caught out"?

Umm, Orc, please note that You are the only person who is saying they appear otherwise. Since then it's improved but...

That's why it's a badly reacting caught out scum... You believed yourself caught out, you responded in a manner to indicate that your nervous. throwing more suspicion on others.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Goddamnit I need to do work I have two exams tomorrow what I am doing

M, talk to me about my jumpiness and why it's scummy.

My narration

Wait where is this narration?

What ever you are referring to in the bolded of the quoted post below.

Funny how you can't quote yourself when you say YOUR narration.

You people.

I exchanged 3 messages with my partner in pregame, we bought meta up but not specifics.

My initial vote on ff was a RV, because I saw that she was online and I reckoned that we could have a live-time conversation for a while which i find all too useful (since scum don't have time to mask their posts). That, and "interesting" is a pretty cruddy post.

Spin your narratives with evidence please

Maraganal didn't describe my vote as OMGUS, she described ff's reaction to my vote OMGUS, which is how it should be read.

The narration here is in reply to "you could be scum pouting about not being able to talk to your buddies in the day." So it was not a "pretty accurate representation" since you still haven't provided any evidence at all to back up your work of fiction.

Last line already disproven.

Sure

you mean the post where I called Orci out for OMGUS? I had assumed the same thing you assumed in regards to Orci's vote

and I'm not exactly thrilled with FF's response to you either, never said I was.

So since nobody can explain how "interesting" was supposed to equate to "scum", I'm still not sure how my vote could be seen as anything other than RV.

So Marangal, why were you going after me and not FF?

I've been muling TAM's post over in my head. It looks like opportunistic scum because none of the points really hold.

Okay, let me explain because you didn't seem to get it.
Fferllyt said "interesting" in regards to a post from you where you expressed shock that the town didn't get talk with their lovers during the day. Fferllyt found your reaction interesting, which it was, I didn't really see a town tell from it and it seemed forced. As far as I can tell, your next move was to vote Fferllyt, presumably because you saw that fferllyt thought you had an interesting post. It is your REACTION, the sudden vote for no reason, that makes you seem scummy. You seem from that vote to be afraid Fferyllt has noticed something and you are trying to escape it.

Well, your presumably here is pretty shit because you haven't been reading the bits where I said it was a RV. Why are you reading so much into my vote? Once again, the "you seem afraid"s or "presumably because you thought"s aren't backed up by anything. It was a RV.

Hey watch me do something. You chose your name as "The Acting Method" presumably because you lost your parents as a child, so you had to act your way through life. You seem to be more comfortable online than in real life, which supports my theory, for real life reminds you of the pain you have undergone, and online you can seek solace and create a new life. Tammy was your mother's name.

Do you see? I can spin narrative works of fiction too. You are literally taking a post in which there was NOTHING but a vote, and extrapolating an entire backstory from it which has no evidence to base on.

Orcinus, and you couldn't have done this pregame? Gathered all of the neccesary meta and ideas before hand? Your meta excuse seems a bit sloppy... I can kind of accept the reaction test stuff though. Kind of, as in, reaction testing in Polygamist can be unwise and again, I refer to the game I played where town claimed scum and got themselves lynched.

Orc... OMGUS is maybe the wrong word, but your vote with no reason just for saying "Interesting" Looks scummy.

For one thing, you could be scum pouting about not being able to talk to your buddies in the day.

Please note that someone else used OMGUS to describe your vote before Fferllyt... and you didn't react then.

First off, I obviously didn't know that the QT would be locked, so I obviously didn't do it pregame. I don't get how meta excuse looks sloppy and that needs to be explained.

Why does everyone think it was a serious vote, I didn't even put anything else in that post

Yes, and you could be a duck who's very lucky at hitting keys on the keyboard so I don't really understand that sentence. I could be a lot of things. It's your job to use evidence to prove that I'm one of them.

I can live with the last sentence, and I don't understand how everybody's been seeing this conversation from a different viewpoint as me, but whatever.

I'd have to read the meta excuse again to clear that up, but I find it interesting you ignore my point on reaction testing. In any case, We only have your word to go on that you didn't know the QT would be locked. Or that you talked to your lover. (slight contradiction in what you have said anyone?)
Oh look, I give an explanation on how your post might be "interesting" and scummy. I use a hypothetical yes but I still make the point of why it would be "interesting" and scum worhty.

I find it interesting I ignore your point on reaction testing too. No wait, I don't, because there was nothing to reply to.

I have no idea what's the contradiction now. I didn't know that the QT would be locked. I exchanged like 3 messages with my lover. Tell me how that contradicts. Now you're forcing my stance into a dichotomy--either I talked to my lover or I didn't, which is clearly not the case.

I have no idea what the rest of that post means. I didn't find ff scummy at the point where I voted him. For the last fucking time, it was a RV.

I was trying to get a reaction, orcinus. your post looked almost too breezy and "oh my what's going on?" it was enough to perk my interest. From my perspective, my one word comment drew a vote from you. An almost instantaneous vote. That looked like an overreaction. Scum often either overreact or under-react to unexpected attention. So my initial reaction was "what have we here? Scum?"

Your posts after that gave me reason to reevaluate, hence my backing off my initial concern about your vote.

An /overreaction/

/Really/

I'm better as scum than you give me credit.

But anyways I think this was a shitfest of misunderstanding.

81, 81, 81... Orc, it seems to pretty much everyone reading the thread whose commented on it, your vote for fferyllt looked like a scummy OMGUS. Which he responded to by going "Okay then, your scum."

Ad populum, but okay sure

Marangal intended her comment that way.

Sure

And Marangal, No, Town won that game... This was a game that town lost... on Mafia scum. Not our home site.

And Orc, My narration sounds like a pretty accurate representation of how your posts appeared.

Well, no.

You made a post, Ffer quoted it and said interesting. You responded by voting him with no reason given, (natural thought: He's OMGUSing) fferyllt's reaction was probably "That's a scummy response to a single post." She was also probably seeing you as a badly reacting caught out scum.

The post was good until now. How was I "caught out"?

Umm, Orc, please note that You are the only person who is saying they appear otherwise. Since then it's improved but...

I'm honestly curious as to how on earth you saw my ff vote as a OMGUS. You've tried to explain it but failed miserably. It was a RV, simple as that. I came in, saw the thread was open, checked QT and saw it locked, posted something, saw ff posting so voted him, and then got accused of OMGUS, when the entire basis of OMGUS is voting someone after they accused of scum, and ff never accused me of being scum prior to my vote on him. None of this makes sense to me.

That's why it's a badly reacting caught out scum... You believed yourself caught out, you responded in a manner to indicate that your nervous. throwing more suspicion on others.

This makes no. Flipping. Sense.

Why would I believe myself caught out when somebody posts "interesting" in reply to my opening message?

How am I nervous? If I were nervous, lurking scum, why would I have engaged with so many people?

Why would I not throw suspicion on people I think are scum?

I'm comfortable with TAM scum.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

And why aren't you voting me?

[Klick]

So let's explain the scenario. I woke up at 4 in the morning and couldn't go back to sleep. I skimmed through, like, half of the wall posts that aren't as important right now (particularly orc's posts) and found one post worth commenting on.

Because, while I'm not exactly thrilled with FFertyl's response to you, it didn't give me the adverse reaction yours had to his. at that point, you, TAM and ffertyl were both leaning scum, my read on you slightly stronger then my read on him.

I doubt that scum would bus in this set-up,

so I went after you. TAM is scummy, though I can't decide who's the scummier one between the two of you. TAM is coming off as a tad bit opportunistic, and his passiveness bothers me, while you seem incredibly jumpy to everything.

This is an actual thought that I don't see scum-Marangal posting, so more townpoints for her.

We really need to get Levi replaced with, like, Regfan or UberNinja.

[Ms Marangal]

And why aren't you voting me?

You mean me or do you mean TAM?

I'm generally not comfortable with placing my vote this early on in the day, it just makes me feel icky, especially when early reads are the most unstable of reads through out the game.

as for your Jumpiness, it's scummy to me because it looked like a person getting caught doing something bad and trying to cover it up.


Your RV vote was taken seriously because we were out of RVS stage.

Pedit: I would like that actually... I heard of those two, and they sound good.

[Klick]

Marangal, let's assume Orc is town. Who are your other scum suspects?

[Ms Marangal]

TAM and FF, though FFertyl is weak in comparison to the other two.

other then that though, I don't see to many others that are catching my suspicions

[Klick]

By the way, Levi, that wasn't a stab at you. That was just a joke about getting some awesome player to replace in as confirmed town.

[leviathan93]

Ok. I'm here now. just finished reading the thread.

first i guess i should comment on the fact that marangal outed us. and my response to you marangal is. I'm not trying to get lynched! its never MY fault I get lynched. people never listen to me and decide to lynch me no matter what I say! nothing much i can do there.

also secondly. i agree with the others that have spoken and that you shouldn't have outed us so soon. i CAN hold my own you know. its not like I TRY to get lynched all the time. now people possibly have the possibility of thinking you are lying. you should have waited in my opinion.

my third bit of information i think is necssary is that Orc is town. his long posts and many posts since he first started posting seem legit and questioningly scum hunting as well as my past games with him he has always been town for the most part and i think its his town meta.

FF has a possibility of being town to me but i will continue to watch her as the day goes on. Same for the acting method guy. i like his in depth posts but just because i like his posts does not necessarily make him town. i like plenty of scum's posts in the past and been tricked easily by that.