Micro 136: Bork's NFL UPick (Game Over)

[FuDuzn]

Sala is the Pack fan, Rach is just a fan of Wisconsin and Cheese.

[Rondar]

Ok. Do scum neighbours exist? Or are they always town? (Or is that mason?)

[FuDuzn]

Scum neighbors would seem pointless, since they would already have a qt to talk in.

But, neighbors can be either town or scum. For instance, us being neighbors does not fully clear either sala or myself. Sala is pretty much cleared for his cheese vending adventure, but not because he is a neighbor.

[RachMarie]

uhhh no I am the 49ers a team from the BEST cheese state instead of the 2nd best lil ol Wisconsin

We even have happy cow commercials lol Though having grown up in Oakdale which is near many of the best dairies in the world, I have yet to see a happy cow lol.

[RachMarie]

Fu is correct, and unfortunately that does not help much uggh... redirector is often (though not always a scum role), but stating that kinda gives town points.

I can't see a point in a mafia commuter can anyone else? Which leaves Fu and of course Seanald.

BTW I am pretty sure we do not have the 3rd party, there have been only single kills. Unless the 3rd party is a non killing role, but none of the role claims would make sense with that?

[RachMarie]

oops and cant forget Rondar, Tracker can be either alignment quite easily. Actually come to think of it, that might make some sense. A scum tracker can't track me. Jmo could not have jailed me. hmmm

[Rondar]

But, neighbors can be either town or scum. For instance, us being neighbors does not fully clear either sala or myself. Sala is pretty much cleared for his cheese vending adventure, but not because he is a neighbor.

@Fu

That's what I meant. Sorry, didn't make myself clear enough. Also, Fu is cleared for not visiting, not for the fruit thing. Fruit Vendor can be both town or scum aligned.

@Rach

What, pray tell, are you insinuating!?!?

[Rondar]

EBWOP: either town or scum aligned*

[Grizzlegom]

1x Commute seems like the scummiest claim to me (that's my go-to claim when I'm scum usually so that's why I think that) but its really hard for me to believe Majiffy would be scum after yesterday.

Isn't the point of neighbors supposed to be that they aren't confirmed to both be townies so one of them is usually scum? That was always what I saw in practice and since we know Sala is town, I'm inclined to believe Fu is scum. Couple that with MP5's main suspicion being Fu and I think that's who I'm leaning right now.

Vote: Fu

[FuDuzn]

Grizzle I explained before, neighbors generally are non alignment dependant. In our case in our role pm it specifically said we will not know our neighbors alignment. We all feel confident Sala is town, and tbh I was weary of him until that point. I don't think it would be made too easy for us to guarantee that one neighbor is scum, especially with only two scum in the game.

And on MP5, if I was scum I would have kept him alive. Normally this is wifom that I don't like to use as a defense, but in this case Sala can back me up on it. We both stated that we had suspicions of him and was probably our top scum read at Night. It would have made sense to keep MP5 alive since he would have been ripe for a mislynch. I don't believe we were the only ones that had suspicions of him as well. As someone said earlier, it was a poor choice for a lynch.

[FuDuzn]

Rondar, how am I cleared as well? Are you saying you tracked both Sala and myself?

[RachMarie]

I would like to know the answer to that too Rondar? How is Fu cleared? I know Sala is cleared....

[Majiffy]

I think Rondar is just not paying very close attention to the game.

[RachMarie]

So Majiffy with all the claims out there now, what do you think?

[Majiffy]

Not sure yet. Continue squabbling.

[Rondar]

LOL That was supposed to Say Sala, ie

'Also,

Sala

is cleared for not visiting, not for the fruit thing. Fruit Vendor can be both town or scum aligned.'
in repsponse to Fu's #452
'Sala is pretty much cleared for his cheese vending adventure, but not because he is a neighbor.'

Even from an objective point of view he cannot be mafia, since only 1 mafiosi is left.

[RachMarie]

ummm Rondar neighborizer is a different role than FV.

Going to look at Jmo's ISO and see if I can find any associative tells...

[Rondar]

Ok, this is why I assumed there was a neighbourizer:

I'm not. Majiffy, you KNOW Im not scum. I already proved that to you.

I had never heard of a 'fruit vendor' before this, so that looked like a neighbourizer soft claim to me.
Also, Rach, you said you'd do that like 3 pages ago. lol.

[RachMarie]

LOL I keep getting distracted....

ok basically in reading through Jmo's ISO.... It comes back to Seanald again... If you look at the interactions, you can see it is like two peas in a pod. So that was not that helpful.... Sigh I keep coming back to Fu...

[Salamence20]

First things first, I apologize for that claim about two roles = town post after further analysis. I guess I can't read just like the others.

So anyways, on with the discussion!

Well, if we're massclaiming anyway. I'll go ahead and out that I have Salamance visiting Majiffy.

Correct! 10 points to Rondar!

Can someone explain to me what the fuck a fruit vendor is, and what it does? Am I marked for death or something?

This quote made me lol.

@Sala? Also, could you give us a full claim?

Neighborhood Cheese Vendor. Go Pack! (Seriously, go watch!)

Obviously Rondar is indeed a tracker, though I'm wary just because that's the one investigative role I most associate with scum.

This. This is why I won't call Rondar conftown. Trackers can confirm town, yet think they can ride to lylo easily. With one scum left, however, that is not possible.

Oh and I am da Chicago Bears........hence why I hate the Packers........could I be neighbors with the Packers?

Bears suck! Go Pack!

Scum neighbors would seem pointless, since they would already have a qt to talk in.

But, neighbors can be either town or scum. For instance, us being neighbors does not fully clear either sala or myself. Sala is pretty much cleared for his cheese vending adventure, but not because he is a neighbor.

Read my opinion on neighbors in Salamence20: The Legacy. A story on my noobiness, rise to town leader, and back to utter noobiness. (I make it up in the Sequel: Salamence20: Redemption)

TL;DR: While I am not willing to go with it just yet, My neighbor is a suspect, but his play is definitely town so far. Lynch him and Rondar before lylo.

Fu is correct, and unfortunately that does not help much uggh... redirector is often (though not always a scum role), but stating that kinda gives town points.

I can't see a point in a mafia commuter can anyone else? Which leaves Fu and of course Seanald.

DO NOT BASE READS ON ROLE IN ROLE MADNESS GAMES, AS WE HAVE A SCUM JK.

Jk is a town role, under certain circumstances, it can be a scum role. Even the cop could be scum. Don't base reads because X is a cop or Y is a commuter.

its really hard for me to believe Majiffy would be scum after yesterday.

I've done this before. Its called WIFOM-Logic.

Majiffy wouldn't bus like that because:
1. He isn't that dumb.
2. There was a Seanald Wagon Participating with JMO.

And on MP5, if I was scum I would have kept him alive. Normally this is wifom that I don't like to use as a defense, but in this case Sala can back me up on it. We both stated that we had suspicions of him and was probably our top scum read at Night. It would have made sense to keep MP5 alive since he would have been ripe for a mislynch. I don't believe we were the only ones that had suspicions of him as well. As someone said earlier, it was a poor choice for a lynch.

I can vouch for him as I would of been tunneling him today had he not died.

[Salamence20]

Now it is time to ride the wagon analysis train!

In this adventure, I am going to put myself down as town as I am confirm and Majiffy as town because he is near confirmed.

[5]

jmo16mla

(

Majiffy

, FuDuzn, Rondar,

Salamence20

,

MP5

)
[1] Seanald (RachMarie)
[1] RachMarie (Seanald)
[1] Rondar (

jmo16mla

)

[1] Not Voting (Grizzlegom)

[4] jmo16mla (

Majiffy

,

Salamence20

, FuDuzn, Rondar)
[4] Seanald (Grizzlegom,

MP5

, RachMarie,

jmo16mla

)

[1] Not Voting (Seanald)

This was the final VC and the extent of Seanald wagon. Based on my education that non-bussing scum like running a non-scum wagon and that final VC mostly has another scum on a non-lynching wagon, RM and Grizzle are the best scum canidates today. Unless someone claims FD or Rondar are bussy.


So I think our last scum is within Rach and Grizzle. Seanald can be near-confirmed because of:

Seanland is town. Shit.

Going with this, I am going against Majiffy and Voting:

VOTE: RachMarie

She is slightly more scummy compared to Grizzle.

[Salamence20]

Last post of the Day:

Town:
Salamence20
Majiffy
Seanald

Null:
FuDuzn
Rondar

Scum:
RachMarie
Grizzlegom

[Seanald]

hmmm, but grizzle sounds so town, and why would scum have 2 jailkeepers?

[Seanald]

Jiffy Bittle's whats your take on that?

[Salamence20]

Then join me on RM.

Seriously, I have yet to be wrong on my first vote in lylo/1-scum remaining.